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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #125 on: July 15, 2016, 12:27:40 pm »
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #126 on: July 15, 2016, 12:28:39 pm »
Put simply, we must oppose fascism and the ignorance that enables it.   And that means we must not just withhold our votes from Donald Trump, but to actively work and vote to defeat him.   By any means necessary.


Shall we then trust your zeal will be applied to stopping the Obama, Clinton Machinery with as much zeal?????

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #127 on: July 15, 2016, 12:33:21 pm »


He's a loser. He'll either lose to Hillary (the press will give us obliging articles and polls on how close it is until election day), or he'll get into office and lose his conservatism.

The latter outcome is actually worse for conservatives because, when we go to hell in a hand basket, the press will say, "blah blah blah establishment republicans failed blah blah blah then we got an 'outsider' conservative and that failed blah blah blah it appears as if conservativism fails no matter how you slice it blah blah blah maybe it's time for European socialism."

Boom - we lose.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #128 on: July 15, 2016, 12:35:49 pm »
When the Cruzites used "rules" to steal delegates from the candidate who'd won a primary...in Colorado as one example...all you NeverTrump's thought that it was just great tactical maneuvering. This is no different, consider it payback for the Colorado caucus.


It is substantially different. The Colorado rules were in existence long before the delegate selection, and had been appropriately discussed and approved. "Payback" for using those rules sounds like something straight from the mouth of Valerie Jarret.

And let me add, most conservatives...the vast majority in fact...are fully on board at this point.
What is your source?
Or are you basing that assertion on a voice vote conducted sans debate with half the members present on a small committee of a party where Trump got 40% of the primary vote, including crossovers?

Maybe Conservatism needs to find a new name, because so many of the people calling themselves "conservatives" so plainly are not.

 
The Moral Narcissists like so many here will never stop trying to get Hillary elected, but nobody can slow down a fanatic.
That is horse manure on so many levels, but if voting one's conscience, if voting against the coming mob rule is "moral narcissism", so be it. We all have our crosses to bear.

I assure you no one was trying to get Hillary elected. You folks will have succeeded wildly if you succeed at all, which could happen. As you said "nobody can slow down a fanatic".

As many of us tried to tell you folks, at the cost of much abuse and derision, was that there was never any chance this NeverTrump garbage was going to succeed in the rules committee, much less on the convention floor. Mr. Trump won the majority of delegates, and that's how we select a nominee for our party. Those who try to circumvent that process aren't following their conscience, they're being petulant children angry that they didn't win. So all that happened on that committee today was that the will of the voters was respected as sacrosanct. That's something to celebrate, but so many of you set yourselves up for disappointment that we're going to see nothing but vitriol and venom from you going forward. Oh well.
The matter was not discussed in the rules committee, much less on the convention floor. The very process of arriving at a vote was railroaded. There is no account of that voice vote, save that someone adjudged a group to have bellowed louder. Interesting that bellowing louder should work on Mr. Trump's behalf, after all that is his hallmark. As for a majority, Mr. Trump won 40% of the vote, counting crossovers in open primaries. Now, any attempt to rectify the shortcomings of the primary system, or even discuss them has been summarily shut down, not by the majority of the voters, but by one person with a gavel. One.

Long ago, after a deeply divided election, he GOP rode into power on the caissons and sutler's wagons of the only army to loot and burn its way across half of the country, in the name of unity of course.

Now the new totalitarian face of the Republican Party has no beard.  Only four people in the county I grew up in voted for that first despot, and they were asked to leave. (1860). When the blood was let, and the last southern mills and houses and crops burned, the surviving Yankee printing presses treated him far more gently than he deserved and made him into a hero.

Consider the lies told by your candidate about the other candidates, the foul campaign, the chameleonic positions on policy, and consider that Trump supporters own that now, and whatever results from it going forward. When this is all over, you will have only yourselves to blame.

Perhaps we can bandy words in the future with a modicum of civility ("Bless your heart"), but when that civility goes away out there in the streets, there will be no refuge open, no favor granted, no quarter given.

Dear God, the irony that the greatest campaign force for Hillary will be her chief opponent.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #129 on: July 15, 2016, 12:38:30 pm »
.... since you don't want our votes.

Well it's becoming pretty obvious perhaps it is better you remain on the sidelines of this election and vote however that you do.  The number of those opposing Trump are dwindling rapidly as more come to terms with the reality of this race between Trump and Hillary. The fact is a fringe element has already been determined in this race....so yes it can and will be done without those opposing Trump. His support will be increasing and that's just the way it is and will be.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2016, 12:39:06 pm »

Shall we then trust your zeal will be applied to stopping the Obama, Clinton Machinery with as much zeal?????

I supported John Kasich - in large part because he had the demonstrated ability to defeat Clinton.   Don't you dare suggest I haven't done my part.

The priority now must be the defeat of the unprincipled, unmoored and amoral Donald Trump.   And it is the fault of you and your ilk that it has come to this.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #131 on: July 15, 2016, 12:40:41 pm »
There is so much misinformation on this thread, it would take me days to set it straight, due to finding all the clips. Some may have corrected the tweeters and others, but icant read all six pages right now.

i watched the whole thing until they were done.
then cspan showed the important parts again.
so i watched thatpart again!

People tweeting apparently have no understanding of Roberts Rules of Order.

Lee did speak on the conscience vote.
They took a yea nay vote and the nays blew it out of the water
They took a standing vote and the Lee people had 12 votes to the othersides 80+
The added amendments during that time were yeah and nay, because it wasnt rocket science to tell the vote.
Unroh's group did not leave.
when they finished around 11pm, most delegates were still there.

There was no fighting.
each spoke their peace.
Everyone was respectful
The last man to speak was asian, and although it was more personal, he was in tears and very powerful.
Same here. What the Anti's are ranting about is fictional We saw what you saw. Only 12 voted for it.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #132 on: July 15, 2016, 12:42:35 pm »
Never Trump has a 100% failure rate on political maneuvering and on predicting outcomes.   :patriot:

Our victory will come in November when Trump gives his concession speech.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2016, 12:45:30 pm »


Pic snapped of @sinkspur upon hearing the news......      :seeya:

Nah.  Here's sinkspur on November 9 after Trump's concession speech:

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #134 on: July 15, 2016, 12:47:40 pm »
Well it's becoming pretty obvious perhaps it is better you remain on the sidelines of this election and vote however that you do.  The number of those opposing Trump are dwindling rapidly as more come to terms with the reality of this race between Trump and Hillary. The fact is a fringe element has already been determined in this race....so yes it can and will be done without those opposing Trump. His support will be increasing and that's just the way it is and will be.

Trump's support is not increasing.  Those abandoning Hillary and not voting for Trump are causing the shift in polls.  Trump is stuck in the high 30s, low 40s. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #135 on: July 15, 2016, 12:50:02 pm »
Me too.  Hopefully that's a safe and undeleteable thing to say.

Read fast.  Message may disappear at any moment.   :smokin:

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #136 on: July 15, 2016, 12:55:08 pm »
Never Trump has a 100% failure rate on political maneuvering and on predicting outcomes.   :patriot:

That's correct.....all they're doing is taking time away from the real issue of defeating the Clintons and Demorat Machinery from taking this country down further..........fair to say , really, they're in the way..but that's all they are. ...a worn down speed bump in the road....



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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #137 on: July 15, 2016, 12:55:09 pm »
So... who are we supposed to vote for in this scenario .. not sure I understand, but I like it.
I know it's another "long shot" scenario, but voting for another candidate on the ballot, or writing in someone, which is what I intend to do #WriteInTedCruz, will take votes away from H or T, and possibly keep them from getting so many electoral votes in certain states, as to keep them from the magic number.

Regardless of what it does to the electoral votes, I just refuse to vote for either of them anyway.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #138 on: July 15, 2016, 01:01:51 pm »
That's correct.....all they're doing is taking time away from the real issue of defeating the Clintons and Demorat Machinery from taking this country down further..........fair to say , really, they're in the way..but that's all they are. ...a worn down speed bump in the road....



That's not the job of myself or any other Conservative voter.  THAT is the job of Trump and his campaign.

And so far he has shown ZERO interest in defeating Hillary.

Donny and his cult are still fixated on bashing anyone in the GOP who doesn't kiss his ring.  They don't seem to realize the general election is against Hillary...not Ted Cruz.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #139 on: July 15, 2016, 01:02:51 pm »
I supported John Kasich - in large part because he had the demonstrated ability to defeat Clinton.   Don't you dare suggest I haven't done my part.
The priority now must be the defeat of the unprincipled, unmoored and amoral Donald Trump.   And it is the fault of you and your ilk that it has come to this.
Unlike Woody,  I don't have a guitar, only a voice to speak out with.  But on my keyboard is affixed the same message -  "This Machine Kills Fascists".       

Kasich has nothing to do with the present....this is now....he lost. We have a nominee who is Trump.  Now that certainly isn't to your liking, as you've clearly expressed, and He is opposing Hillary in this general election. That IS the IT of it.  How you can seriously say that by opposing Trump isn't assisting the Clinton/Obama machinery?

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #140 on: July 15, 2016, 01:09:20 pm »
We are voting for Trump by not voting for Hillary.

Yes...to a degree of course. I prefer saying I've learned more about Trump, and in light of the political climate and the state of this nation ...as well those he's considering for his VP and cabinet.... I can support him with confidence that he's going to shake Washington form it's hold and focus on this nation as he has said he will do.  Will he get it all...of course not..none do....but I do believe he is for this country....Hillary obviously isn't even close.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #141 on: July 15, 2016, 01:13:14 pm »

I supported John Kasich - in large part because he had the demonstrated ability to defeat Clinton.   Don't you dare suggest I haven't done my part.
   


ROFL!!  What a joke.

You supported Kasich.   Kasich...the Kasich that got a total of 3 minutes and 45 seconds of airtime in all the debates in which he participated.

And what "demonstrated ability"?    Based upon a news network poll? 
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #142 on: July 15, 2016, 01:15:04 pm »
I seem to recall that.......
The system is "rigged", wasn't that the outcry?

Whatever works to win at the time I guess. Congratulations, GOP you are now every bit as unscrupulous and amoral as are the democrats.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #143 on: July 15, 2016, 01:30:40 pm »


And what "demonstrated ability"?    Based upon a news network poll?

Poll after poll after poll after poll consistently showed Kasich as having the best shot at defeating Clinton, and Trump the worst. 

Facts are difficult things, DC. 
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #144 on: July 15, 2016, 02:07:52 pm »
100% chance I won't vote for Hillary or Trump.  Nothing will change my mind.  I wouldn't believe a sudden change.  The facts are in.   It is what it is.  Both are unfit and I want no part of either.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #145 on: July 15, 2016, 02:16:50 pm »
I can't stand Trump, and wish he wasn't the nominee.

That being said, I have a really tough time with the "morality" card being played by those who think delegates should be unbound on principle..  How about the most basic morality of respecting the people who actually cast votes in the primary?  I'm supposed to place more virtue on a single delegate voting their personal "conscience" than I am on respecting the votes of all those people that sent the delegate there?  Since when did a single delegate's personal preferences have more moral weight than that of the voters who voted for their preferred nominee?  It's not like electing a representative who is supposed to have discretion to vote on a whole myriad of key issues, and so necessarily must be "unbound".  The voters expressed a preference for only one thing in the primaries -- who should be the nominee.

Additionally, the problem with unbinding and having a brokered convention is that the opposition to Trump is still splintered.  Who is this clear, consensus nominee that would be selected if delegates were all unbound?  Romney?  Cruz?  Either one of them would make a ton of people very unhappy.

We (those who wanted someone other than Trump as the nominee) lost at the ballot box.  'Bout time we accept that.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #146 on: July 15, 2016, 02:18:21 pm »
Poll after poll after poll after poll consistently showed Kasich as having the best shot at defeating Clinton, and Trump the worst. 

Facts are difficult things, DC.

Having the best ability to defeat Clinton is not the most important thing for a lot of voters.  Kasich had an opening, and GOP primary voters simply didn't like him.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #147 on: July 15, 2016, 02:18:34 pm »
I can't stand Trump, and wish he wasn't the nominee.

That being said, I have a really tough time with the "morality" card being played by those who think delegates should be unbound on principle..  How about the most basic morality of respecting the people who actually cast votes in the primary?  I'm supposed to place more virtue on a single delegate voting their personal "conscience" than I am on respecting the votes of all those people that sent the delegate there?  Since when did a single delegate's personal preferences have more moral weight than that of the voters who voted for their preferred nominee?  It's not like electing a representative who is supposed to have discretion to vote on a whole myriad of key issues, and so necessarily must be "unbound".  The voters expressed a preference for only one thing in the primaries -- who should be the nominee.

Additionally, the problem with unbinding and having a brokered convention is that the opposition to Trump is still splintered.  Who is this clear, consensus nominee that would be selected if delegates were all unbound?  Romney?  Cruz?  Either one of them would make a ton of people very unhappy.

We (those who wanted someone other than Trump as the nominee) lost at the ballot box.  'Bout time we accept that.


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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #148 on: July 15, 2016, 02:23:14 pm »
We (those who wanted someone other than Trump as the nominee) lost at the ballot box.  'Bout time we accept that.

How many more tines must we as Conservatives do that before we say enough?

If not now...when?
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« Reply #149 on: July 15, 2016, 02:31:19 pm »
How many more tines must we as Conservatives do that before we say enough?

If not now...when?

The GOP will always find a way to kick conservatives to the curb.

I've always believed in fighting for control of the party, that third parties were a guaranteed dead end.

I no longer believe that. There really is no future for us in that party. And there never will be.