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Re: Donald Trump declines invitation to address NAACP
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2016, 08:20:28 pm »
How have those Always low low prices worked out for the economically marginalized in our country so far? Oh that's right, all the good paying jobs went overseas. Folks will be able to afford to pay more for locally made goods because they'll be getting paid more than they're currently making at Burger King and Wal-Mart.

Those jobs are not coming back.  Those who think they are are living in some parallel universe. And Trump cannot MAKE a company bring those jobs back.   So he'd best focus on how to grow jobs that are already in this country.

The idea that we're going to have people stitching t-shirts in North Carolina and making $20 an hour is risible.
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Re: Donald Trump declines invitation to address NAACP
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2016, 08:23:21 pm »
90% of blacks consistently vote democrat
99% of blacks voted for Obama

Actually, 93% of blacks voted for Obama.  Trump is doing worse than Obama with blacks.
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2016, 08:25:31 pm »
1. Immigration.
Who did the jobs immigrants are currently doing before immigrants were doing them? Primarily black Americans and rural whites. They've been crowded out of these industries, and moreover, wages have been driven down.

2. Trade
Black Americans were most prosperous financially when American manufacturing was at its peak. They were paid well, had benefits, and had thriving communities. Black wealth died with the death of American manufacturing.

1. So Trump who supports touchback amnesty and favors hiring foreigners with work visas over Americans at his resorts is gonna change that... no.

2. and.... what.... if we raise trade barriers, other countries will do the same, and the US will be hurt the most since we are the #2 exporter on the face of the Earth with trillions of dollars of our economy dependent on exports.

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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2016, 08:26:01 pm »
More evidence that Trump is not trying to win. 

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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2016, 08:27:35 pm »
Actually, 93% of blacks voted for Obama.  Trump is doing worse than Obama with blacks.

In 1948 Truman got 77%... and he was a member of the KKK

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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2016, 08:29:45 pm »
Have you not listened to any of Trump's speeches? He has repeatedly said we will charge them a huge tax to sell their products back to us if they leave. We may be hurting, but America is still the world's largest market and the dollar is still the world's reserve currency. We have the leverage to negotiate, we just need right the negotiator.

But @Axel, those companies will not be paying those taxes, they will be collecting those taxes, in the form of higher priced goods to us.

No company really pays taxes, they all just sell their goods and services at rates high enough to collect them, from us, and then, write the check to the government.

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Re: Donald Trump declines invitation to address NAACP
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2016, 08:37:28 pm »
Those jobs are not coming back.  Those who think they are are living in some parallel universe. And Trump cannot MAKE a company bring those jobs back.   So he'd best focus on how to grow jobs that are already in this country.

The idea that we're going to have people stitching t-shirts in North Carolina and making $20 an hour is risible.

Funny you pick textiles of all businesses. What about pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, or Carrier Corp, or Ford Motor Company? What is their excuse?
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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2016, 08:40:39 pm »
Funny you pick textiles of all businesses. What about pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, or Carrier Corp, or Ford Motor Company? What is their excuse?

Lower cost for employees.  What did you think their reason was?

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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2016, 08:42:56 pm »
But @Axel, those companies will not be paying those taxes, they will be collecting those taxes, in the form of higher priced goods to us.

No company really pays taxes, they all just sell their goods and services at rates high enough to collect them, from us, and then, write the check to the government.

The point is to tax them hard enough that their products are no longer price competitive.
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Re: Donald Trump declines invitation to address NAACP
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2016, 08:43:42 pm »
Have you not listened to any of Trump's speeches? He has repeatedly said we will charge them a huge tax to sell their products back to us if they leave. We may be hurting, but America is still the world's largest market and the dollar is still the world's reserve currency.

What he will do is slap a tariff on the imports.  That cost will be passed along to the consumers.


We have the leverage to negotiate, we just need right the negotiator.

Negotiate what?  Lower U.S. consumption of foreign made goods?  Higher mandated minimum wage in China or Mexico?  Quotas mandating purchase of U.S. goods by foreign countries?  How is he going to get anyone to agree to that?

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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2016, 08:44:21 pm »
Funny you pick textiles of all businesses. What about pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, or Carrier Corp, or Ford Motor Company? What is their excuse?

A 36% corporate tax rate...outrageous union contracts...over regulation by OSHA...the EPA...Department of the Interior...and the list of agencies with a burrecratic choke hold on manufacturers from the local to the federal levels is why these companies have moved production to other countries and won't bring it back. 

Trumps magic tariffs and bully threays won't bring them back and none of the candidates have the balls to address the real life issues with big business abandoning the US.
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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2016, 08:46:38 pm »
The point is to tax them hard enough that their products are no longer price competitive.

Do you HONESTLY think other countries are just going to sit back and take that?  Do you not realize they will do the same to us?
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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2016, 08:50:04 pm »
Funny you pick textiles of all businesses. What about pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, or Carrier Corp, or Ford Motor Company? What is their excuse?

We had a huge manufacturing advantage from WW2 all the way until, say, mid 70's.
60% of the worlds manufacturing was done right here in the good ole US of A.

What happening?

Well, in during world war 2, the civlized world was blown to bits, and we were unscathed. The rest of the world did not have the technological advancements, as of yet.

So along comes the Marshall Plan, and some other countries that were less sophisticated then, started getting there act together and we now face global competition for the very thing we were doing better than everyone else on the planet ,combined.

Sure, fair, or fairer trade sounds great, let do that, but it ignores the fact the rest of the world has caught up to us on a lot of levels.
Who makes the best TV's now? Hyundai/Kia can offer 100,000 mile/10 year warranties  on their vehicles, etc,etc,etc.

It is not just the trade deal alone, or immigration,  that is hurting the once mighty American economy.
frankly, the world caught up.

We also need to take a real serious look at governments role in industry. Look at the taxes, rules, regulations, and lobbying efforts that pick winners and losers.
I think that would help more than any trade reform.

But to go back to previous levels of manufacturing in the US?
I think we will never go back to that post WW2 level again, not without a catastrophe elsewhere in the world.

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2016, 08:51:25 pm »
Does you HONESTLY think other countries are just going to sit back and take that?  Do you not realize they will do the same to us?

Don't you realize they already ARE doing that to us?  **nononono*
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« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2016, 08:52:07 pm »
Trump is for America First.
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« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2016, 08:52:23 pm »
The point is to tax them hard enough that their products are no longer price competitive.

Tax the competitive company so hard that the non-competitive, higher priced company is our only option?
Not good.
Government has no role in picking who succeeds and who does not (even though they do it all the time).

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« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2016, 08:57:19 pm »
Tax the competitive company so hard that the non-competitive, higher priced company is our only option?
Not good.
Government has no role in picking who succeeds and who does not (even though they do it all the time).
The point the anti-Trumps keep skipping over is the current economic situation is NOT sustainable and is heading to a collapse in the not to far future. Either we fix it while we can or the EBT cards stop working then enjoy those economic conditions. Before we had a manufacturing base to pull ourselves out, we do not have that now.
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« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2016, 09:00:17 pm »
Don't you realize they already ARE doing that to us?  **nononono*

And we do that to others already as well.

Your point?

We already have 12,000 tariffs in place in tje US.  How exactly is what Trump is proposing going to do what the other tariffs anf taxes haven't?
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« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2016, 09:00:30 pm »
How have those Always low low prices worked out for the economically marginalized in our country so far?

Very well.  As the economy has not been booming, it's been good that the poorer of us can buy things at affordable rates, not artificially raised by ridiculous tariffs (i.e., fines on consumers).  Thank goodness Trump's anti-American policies haven't been layered on top of Obama's disastrous ones...yet.
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« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2016, 09:00:40 pm »
Several of the #nevertrumps here are at best, liberal Republicans, i.e. phony conservatives.  Internet attention seekers, and #nevertrump is merely their current vehicle.

Before and after Trump, it was and will be something else.

Funny............ I distinctly remember that you can't stand conservatives; that you fault us for everything that's wrong with everything.

Now you're worried "liberal Republicans" and "phony conservatives" while supporting a leftist poseur pretending to be a Republican?

How bizarre is that??    :shrug:
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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2016, 09:02:16 pm »
The point the anti-Trumps keep skipping over is the current economic situation is NOT sustainable and is heading to a collapse in the not to far future. Either we fix it while we can or the EBT cards stop working then enjoy those economic conditions. Before we had a manufacturing base to pull ourselves out, we do not have that now.

The point the Pro-Sanders / Anti-business (see how this works?) people keep missing is that it is the very reason we have a bad economic situation is government meddling, and they are calling for more of it, by way of tarrifs, which would not allow the average american to be able to sustain themselves, thereby increasing the application and use of said EBT cards.

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2016, 09:02:43 pm »
More evidence that Trump is not trying to win.

Good point, Eowyn.....
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2016, 09:05:42 pm »
Last time he did that  he tweeted that Blacks were responsible for 87% of white murders.  Trump's history of reaching out to minority groups is not all that great.

Which he got from a white nationalist site.

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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2016, 09:08:03 pm »
Funny you pick textiles of all businesses. What about pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, or Carrier Corp, or Ford Motor Company? What is their excuse?

Lower cost for different components.  A Ford contains parts from at least 12 different suppliers.

Also, lower cost of assembly. 

Jobs that have left will not return UNLESS the corporate tax and cost of doing business is lower than where those products are currently made.  It's a simple economic matter.

Threatening and cajoling companies is the bullying way Trump does things, but he has ZERO power to force them to do anything.
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