Mike Lee, tea party senator, may help decide Trump’s fate at convention

[DCPatriot]

What has Trump said or done to indicate to you that it won't be business as usual?  The GOPe led by McConnell has said Trump is a guy they can work with and Trump has bragged in the past that they've all come running to him.  Nothing is going to change on Capitol Hill if Trump is elected.

That's the reality of the situation we face.

Again I will ask and maybe you can give me an answer...what has Trump affirmatively done to make people...especially Conservatives want to vote for him?

He stepped forward...recognized the REAL threat to America...decided to offer himself up as the vehicle to stop the mad rush toward full blown Communism. 

[DCPatriot]

Since Trump said yesterday that he can be a free agent if the GOP doesn't hold the Senate (implying he doesn't really care if the GOP keeps the upper chamber), the Supreme Court argument for Trump goes out the window.

First of all, the GOP has kicked the LEFT's a$$ across the country in State and Local elections.

The coattails are going to be "YUUUGE".

He's not going to lose the Senate.

[Bigun]

He stepped forward...recognized the REAL threat to America...decided to offer himself up as the vehicle to stop the mad rush toward full blown Communism.

The only THREAT Trump recognized was the one presented to him and his Clinton/Soros crime syndicate friends if a REAL conservative should get elected president!

[txradioguy]

He stepped forward...recognized the REAL threat to America...decided to offer himself up as the vehicle to stop the mad rush toward full blown Communism.

What does that mean?  Your answer was a nothing burger of platitudes that describe and explain nothing.

In other words it was a non answer answer...which is very telling about Trump as well as his supporters.

Beyond superficial answers like the one you gave...Trump supporters can't point to anything definitive to show why anyone should vote for him. Especially Conservatives. 

Because he doesn't stand for anything.

[DCPatriot]

What does that mean?  Your answer was a nothing burger of platitudes that describe and explain nothing.

In other words it was a non answer answer...which is very telling about Trump as well as his supporters.

Beyond superficial answers like the one you gave...Trump supporters can't point to anything definitive to show why anyone should vote for him. Especially Conservatives. 

Because he doesn't stand for anything.

He's the stopper the country needs right now.

If we've been reduced to 'American Idol' mentality when choosing winners, Donald Trump is your man.

1)  He's the direct opposite of Socialism

2)  He is sick and tired of what he's seeing....as is everybody else...and he's in a position to do something about it.

3)  A GOP controlled House and Senate will help ensure we don't get another Ginsburg.   A forty-something 'Ginsburg'.

I've said many times even before your arrival...that I don't give a damn about Trump's conservative credentials.

I care that he's a PROUD Capitalist.  I care that he's competitive by nature and hates to lose.

IMO, today....that's more than enough to get my vote.

[massadvj]

1)  He's the direct opposite of Socialism

Not true.  He is the epitome of crony capitalism, which as far as I am concerned is the equivalent of socialism.

2)  He is sick and tired of what he's seeing....as is everybody else...and he's in a position to do something about it.

True.  But what I see is that we have the highest standard of living in the history of human civilization thanks to free trade and globalization of markets.  So no thanks.

3)  A GOP controlled House and Senate will help ensure we don't get another Ginsburg.   A forty-something 'Ginsburg'.

True. This may ultimately be the reason I have to vote for Trump.  I will do so if and only if I see that in my state my vote will matter, and voting for him is the only way to stop a Hitlery win.  Still, I'd feel better if he pledged to appoint Cruz to Scalia's vacated seat.

I care that he's a PROUD Capitalist.

A proud capitalist who has screwed over a lot of people over the years, in particular other proud capitalists who bankrolled his speculation based on his promise to repay.

I care that he's competitive by nature and hates to lose.

Meh. He's energetic, particularly for a 70+ year old.  But he is also thin-skinned, megalomaniacal, narcissistic and not very adept at understanding or articulating constitutionally-limited government.

It will be harder for me to vote for Trump than any Republican I have ever voted for, and that includes the likes of Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney.

[txradioguy]

He's the stopper the country needs right now.

Why?  What makes him qualified to be that person?

If we've been reduced to 'American Idol' mentality when choosing winners, Donald Trump is your man.

1)  He's the direct opposite of Socialism

How do you know this?  He's just as big of a crony capitalist as the Chinese he does business with. His trade policies are almost identical to the unabashed Socialist that ran...Bernie Sanders...Trump even say so himself.

2)  He is sick and tired of what he's seeing....as is everybody else...and he's in a position to do something about it.

WHAT is he going to do about it?  What is he specifically sick and tired of seeing that he thinks needs changing?

3)  A GOP controlled House and Senate will help ensure we don't get another Ginsburg.   A forty-something 'Ginsburg'.

That is speculation on your part.  The fact of the matter is we don't know who Trump would put on the court.  And given his willingness to be a "free agent" and allow the Dems to take the Senate and House we won't get the kind of Justice on the Supreme COurt that we need as a replacement to Scalia.

I've said many times even before your arrival...that I don't give a damn about Trump's conservative credentials.

Not surprising since he...and apparently you...have none.  Both of you are perfectly willing to give a big middle finger to the base of the GOP.

I care that he's a PROUD Capitalist.  I care that he's competitive by nature and hates to lose.

Being desirous of Hoover era trade polices is not the hallmarks of a "proud capitalist".  Lots of people are competitive and hate to lose...myself included...doesn't mean that's qualifications to be President.

IMO, today....that's more than enough to get my vote.

So all it takes to get your vote is a bag full of smoke blown up your fourth point of contact?  Got it.

All that time you took to write that post and there was nothing even remotely approaching substance in any of your responses.  Again that tells me a lot about Trump and his supporters.

And it should frighten anyone still on the fence about voting for him.

[catfish1957]

Please stop inferring that people here who don't vote Trump are electing Hillary...I am tired of you posting that on every thread that you can....enough already!

Thanks for the even handedness Myst.  Without you , Mechnios would be just as vicious as the other attack dogs at TOS.

[Mechanicos]

Since Trump said yesterday that he can be a free agent if the GOP doesn't hold the Senate (implying he doesn't really care if the GOP keeps the upper chamber), the Supreme Court argument for Trump goes out the window.

And you just keep making up crap. There is no connection between the 2 and you knew that.

[Norm Lenhart]

Stop the personal attacks PERIOD!
If you do it again you will get a 3 day vacation!!!! And I am being kind!!!!!!!!!

@mystery-ak
As I told your incompetent Mod the other day. Pull my account and be done with it. Because I dont GAF if you ARE an owner. I am not going to sit here and be PERSONALLY ATTACKED as a Hillary Supporter by any of your fellow Trump supporters and not retaliate.

Your call. I don't care one way or the other. If you want to let this place become FR2, be my guest.

[musiclady]

@mystery-ak
As I told your incompetent Mod the other day. Pull my account and be done with it. Because I dont GAF if you ARE an owner. I am not going to sit here and be PERSONALLY ATTACKED as a Hillary Supporter by any of your fellow Trump supporters and not retaliate.

Your call. I don't care one way or the other. If you want to let this place become FR2, be my guest.

Don't go ANYWHERE, Norm!

We have a right to defend ourselves from lies, and we have a right to say that those who continue to lie are bearing false witness.

This place will NEVER become TOS because the majority here are level headed and SANE...... and know that there's NO non-Trumper here who supports Hillary.  It's a despicable lie.

Don't let those itty bitty trolls get to you.  Put them on IGNORE, and post whatever you want to post.

[mystery-ak]

Please stop inferring that people here who don't vote Trump are electing Hillary or Hillary Supporters...I am tired of you posting that on every thread that you can....enough already!

Re-posting...this goes for everyone!...I consider this a personal attack as it is a lie!

[catfish1957]

 

Re-posting...this goes for everyone!...I consider this a personal attack as it is a lie!

[mountaineer]

I am not going to sit here and be PERSONALLY ATTACKED as a Hillary Supporter by any of your fellow Trump supporters and not retaliate.

Why waste the effort to retaliate? Myst and the mods have made it clear that calling someone a Hillary supporter is akin to a personal attack, and will be dealt with as one - if they're advised of it.

[catfish1957]

I am not going to sit here and be PERSONALLY ATTACKED as a Hillary Supporter by any of your fellow Trump supporters and not retaliate.

Why waste the effort to retaliate? Myst and the mods have made it clear that calling someone a Hillary supporter is akin to a personal attack, and will be dealt with as one - if they're advised of it.

Mech and a few others are calling those who will not support Trump "Hillary Supporters" ,.....which by far is the biggest LIE spread around here at TBR.

[Norm Lenhart]

I am not going to sit here and be PERSONALLY ATTACKED as a Hillary Supporter by any of your fellow Trump supporters and not retaliate.

Why waste the effort to retaliate? Myst and the mods have made it clear that calling someone a Hillary supporter is akin to a personal attack, and will be dealt with as one - if they're advised of it.

Myst is doing her best and I very much appreciate that. And let me make that crystal clear to all.

They have ALL been advised of it. REPEATEDLY. The result is that one mod and one owner have decided to blame and threaten everyone rather than deal with their fellow Trump supporters outright lies towards us... AKA, the source of the problem.

Oh...and Myst has been roundly ignored by the Gang of 5ish because they know they can simply keep doing what they do and WE will get slapped down for complaining about it by some of/the others. History does not lie.

If I have to be the turd in the punchbowl and get banned, so be it. As I said repeatedly, I have no intention of repeating the FR experience here. But it needs to be said, so I said it. Someone had to. May as well have been me.

And I don't expect the people involved to like it. Nor do I care. It's the truth and thats what conservatism is SUPPOSED to be about. Nor am I 'challenging' anyone's Auth-or-i-tay. They can zot me anytime and I'm fine with that as well. Their call. Their actions. Their consequences.

Don't care.

[mountaineer]

It's my understanding that no one is banned unless they continually and repeatedly refuse to comply with the owner's requests NOT to engage in personal attacks or otherwise follow the (very few) rules here. If you're personally attacked, notify the mods and let them deal with it. Retaliation accomplishes nothing.

[DCPatriot]

Myst is doing her best and I very much appreciate that. And let me make that crystal clear to all.

They have ALL been advised of it. REPEATEDLY. The result is that one mod and one owner have decided to blame and threaten everyone rather than deal with their fellow Trump supporters outright lies towards us... AKA, the source of the problem.

Oh...and Myst has been roundly ignored by the Gang of 5ish because they know they can simply keep doing what they do and WE will get slapped down for complaining about it by some of/the others. History does not lie.

If I have to be the turd in the punchbowl and get banned, so be it. As I said repeatedly, I have no intention of repeating the FR experience here. But it needs to be said, so I said it. Someone had to. May as well have been me.

And I don't expect the people involved to like it. Nor do I care. It's the truth and thats what conservatism is SUPPOSED to be about. Nor am I 'challenging' anyone's Auth-or-i-tay. They can zot me anytime and I'm fine with that as well. Their call. Their actions. Their consequences.

Don't care.

@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump

Isn't this a personal attack on Trump supporters?   

Am I supposed to bite my tongue being referred to the "gang of 5ish".....because this drama queen can't deal with an opposing POV.

It's a FACT that by publicly stating/inferring you are NOT voting for Donald Trump under any circumstances DOES, IN FACT, help the Democrat opposition.

I fully admit calling saying you're outright supporters is twisting the knife and stretching the connection, and should cease, but we're speaking about what person ultimately benefits by 'your' decision to not support the candidate. 

And when a Trump supporter is being continuously pummeled on the board, it's human nature to kick somebody in the ballz.

[catfish1957]

@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump


And when a Trump supporter is being continuously pummeled on the board, it's human nature to kick somebody in the ballz.

Typical Trump supporter thuggery.

[mystery-ak]

He has already been asked to stop using that term....

And when a Trump supporter is being continuously pummeled on the board, it's human nature to kick somebody in the ballz.

Oh please...

[mystery-ak]

Let's get this thread back on topic or I'll lock it...

[DCPatriot]

He has already been asked to stop using that term....

Oh please...

I meant that a person would strike out and say anything.   And, since it gets the reaction it caused, it's taken as an opportunity to drive the point home.

But you're right, @mystery-ak ....nobody in here is a Hillary Supporter.   Why should that even have to be stated?

[txradioguy]

First of all, the GOP has kicked the LEFT's a$$ across the country in State and Local elections.

That was thanks to the TEA Party and Conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and despite the best efforts of Trump sponsored RINOS like McConnell and Boehner who thwarted their every move in Congress.

The coattails are going to be "YUUUGE".

He's not going to lose the Senate.

Where is the factual evidence to back up that fantasy?

Especially in light of the fact that Trump is now on record as saying he doesn't care if Republicans hold Congress or not.

[DCPatriot]

That was thanks to the TEA Party and Conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and despite the best efforts of Trump sponsored RINOS like McConnell and Boehner who thwarted their every move in Congress.

Where is the factual evidence to back up that fantasy?

Especially in light of the fact that Trump is now on record as saying he doesn't care if Republicans hold Congress or not.

Meh....that's simply a message to the American People that he's not the Boogeyman and he'll try to work with anybody.   That creates more and more Trump Democrats. 

Trump should make a public plea to Trump Democrats that plan on voting for him...to go "all in" and vote straight GOP ticket.   Give him all the tools he needs to do what's necessary and what's the best for the country.

And if he screws it up....a phony economic crisis caused by the Federal Reserve, aside.....he'll have to accept full responsibility.

And I'm on record here that 2020 will be a landslide in Trump's favor...will mirror Reagan's 1984 victory.

[txradioguy]

..nobody in here is a Hillary Supporter.   Why should that even have to be stated?

Why? Because several of your Trump supporting brethren continue to make that claim against anyone who doesn't support Donny.