Mike Lee, tea party senator, may help decide Trump’s fate at convention

[Right_in_Virginia]

I've been listening to this for quite a while now and I feel compelled to make a few observations:

1) I have yet to hear anyone on this forum want to go out and vote for Hillary. I have not yet found that individual. Isn't this a GOP/Conservative forum?  .../   

I agree @GrouchoTex   No one on this forum, that I am aware of, has said they are going to vote for Hillary.   I think the discussion revolves around those who do not like Donald Trump and the consequences of not proactively voting for Donald Trump AGAINST Hillary Clinton.

Republicans seem to have this discussion every four years .... purity vs. compromise, voting against vs. voting for .... it goes on and on.  These were issues in 2008 and in 2012.  I think we all remember how those elections turned out.

The issue central to this election is whether or not the nation can survive what could be 16 years of Obama.  With Hillary Clinton as POTUS the economy, security, our military, the courts, our borders will be in the hands of Barack Obama on steroids.   Apparently, not even this horror is enough for us to unify around our nominee, Donald Trump.

As we throw ourselves into this debate, we again lose sight of this truth:   the Democrats/Liberals/Socialists will unify --- and they will vote against us.  Only now they are now poised to control our nation for the next 50 years.

May God help us.



@mystery-ak
@Repub4Trump
@Right_in_Virginia

[GrouchoTex]

I agree @GrouchoTex   No one on this forum, that I am aware of, has said they are going to vote for Hillary.   I think the discussion revolves around those who do not like Donald Trump and the consequences of not proactively voting for Donald Trump AGAINST Hillary Clinton.

Republicans seem to have this discussion every four years .... purity vs. compromise, voting against vs. voting for .... it goes on and on.  These were issues in 2008 and in 2012.  I think we all remember how those elections turned out.

The issue central to this election is whether or not the nation can survive what could be 16 years of Obama.  With Hillary Clinton as POTUS the economy, security, our military, the courts, our borders will be in the hands of Barack Obama on steroids.   Apparently, not even this horror is enough for us to unify around our nominee, Donald Trump.

As we throw ourselves into this debate, we again lose sight of this truth:   the Democrats/Liberals/Socialists will unify --- and they will vote against us.  Only now they are now poised to control our nation for the next 50 years.

May God help us.



@mystery-ak
@Repub4Trump
@Right_in_Virginia

I cannot argue with what you say, 50 years of LBJ's Great Society and 80 years of FDR's New Deal, along with 100 years of Wilson's progressivism has brought us where we are today.

We have failed to thwart those assaults, but the question remains, will this election stop the madness?
I do not know, but I think we all can agree that a Hillary presidency will only continue this downfall.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You and the rest of the Gang of 5ish can try to spin all the semantics you want. But it all comes down to one thing. You consider any vote other than a vote for Trump, wrong. So much so that you crew will and does continually lie, misrepresent positions, misrepresent both the direct statements of Trump and of the posters here.

I have had more family leave blood and body parts across this globe than you can count fighting to defend, in large part, our right to vote.  I have never, nor will I ever, tell someone their vote is "wrong".  That would make their sacrifices moot. 

I am simply asking ... begging... "our" side to remember that our opposition unifies, no matter what, to keep marching toward their goals.  I'm simply asking that we do the same to stop them.

You have no respect for the owners here that have repeatedly told your crew to stop. Like spoiled children, or more accurately, normal liberals, you simply demand the candybar in a different way and think yourselves clever.

Please, do not again presume to judge my respect for the owners of this site.  I have been a dedicated member of this family for seven years.  You have not.

And I assure you I am neither spoiled nor liberal.  So again, stop your presumptions. 

There is a reason many conservatives here consider you the problem with America today. Because your actions demonstrate that you are.

I am not the problem with America today.  I am part of  the solution, the hope, the revival for this great nation.  You are not.


And finally @ Norm Lenhart  - - -  do not ever post such unbridled hate to me again.  I do not deserve it.



And since you were mentioned:
@Repub4Trump
@mystery-ak

[Cripplecreek]

Well, see, I'm just not so sure.  I happen to think Hillary will be better than Obama; that Obama has been the nadir of liberal Democrats.

I'd take a Bill Clinton in his prime right now over Donald Trump.  He was  a pragmatic politician and knew how to work with everybody.

I will say one thing "for" Hillary Clinton. She actually knows when she makes mistakes and learns from them. She may not admit when she's wrong but does know when she's wrong and won't make the same mistakes twice.

[R4 TrumPence]

You and the rest of the Gang of 5ish can try to spin all the semantics you want. But it all comes down to one thing. You consider any vote other than a vote for Trump, wrong. So much so that you crew will and does continually lie, misrepresent positions, misrepresent both the direct statements of Trump and of the posters here.

You have no respect for the owners here that have repeatedly told your crew to stop. Like spoiled children, or more accurately, normal liberals, you simply demand the candybar in a different way and think yourselves clever.

There is a reason many conservatives here consider you the problem with America today. Because your actions demonstrate that you are.

I am an owner, and we do not talk to members this way, especially when you also smear an owner in your post
Clean it up!

[txradioguy]

Has Trump or any of his surrogates given us any affirmative reason to vote for him yet?

[ScottinVA]

You say you don't want Hillary elected....so quit helping her to do so! The ONLY way to stop her from being president is for her to lose to the GOP nominee. There IS no other way to prevent her being president. So if you really want to prevent that, the only thing you can do is back Mr Trump. Every other action or inaction puts Hillary in the presidency. It's that simple.

The biggest boost ever for Hillary will be the nomination of Trump.  To find those who are helping her, look in the mirror.  Hillary has all of YOU to thank for handing her a weak, unelectable opponent on a silver platter.

[DCPatriot]

You've stated it roughly 497.6 times already.  We got it.  You really don't need to say it again.  ...and again...and again....

Yeah??  So what?

I've read the same sh*t for over a year from the #nevertrumps.

They wear that as a badge of honor.  And you're okay with that?   Why?  Because you don't care for Trump yourself?

Of course a Trump supporter will repeat themself....taking on multiple posters who are responding to him/her.

[Just_Victor]

No one here wants to elect Hillary, and no one here is going to vote for Hillary.

But a great number of us, the Sanity Caucus, are not ever going to vote for a loudmouthed, arrogant, ignorant, intolerant, bullying, value-free, morally abject steaming piece of human refuse simply because a bare plurality of primary voters have managed to foist him upon a 155-year old political party whose leaders have clearly lost their way.

Two proudly Statist beasts, their hour come 'round at last, now slouch toward Washington to be born. One is a bombastic and insufferable ass; the other, a vicious and power-hungry liar.

I vote for neither.

It would be nice to be able to vote for a candidate who uses multi-word sentences.

[DCPatriot]

I asked you to stop....do it!

Please, @mystery-ak ....I'm begging you!   Don't cross that line.   

[Just_Victor]

I am not helping Hillary by refusing to support another person that I honestly believe to be morally unfit for high office, and whose demonstrated character I believe would lead to disaster for the nation I love.

I choose to help neither. You are free to make your decision, just as the Republican delegates in Cleveland are free, by the grace of God to make their own choices.

If not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary, then not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump.

Exact. same. logic.


And a vote for neither is a vote for both.   Jussayin'
 

[txradioguy]

If not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary, then not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump.

Exact. same. logic.


And a vote for neither is a vote for both.   Jussayin'
 

Amazing how they willfully ignore that little fact.

[Silver Pines]

The problem is that Trump never learns. Rather than trying to stop making new enemies, he just continues to attack them as if it were their fault.

@Cripplecreek

Yes, and many of his supporters ape his behavior.  "You're a Hillary supporter!  And hey, we need your vote!"

[Silver Pines]

Donald Trump is as establishment as anyone could possibly be. He has donated to the establishment, courted the establishment, hung with the establishment.  He's an elitist who's curried favor with every grubby politician in the country and championed many of them.

Donald Trump has never done a damned thing for the "little guy" except employ them at minimum wage and replace them with H1-B visa workers.

So cut the crap about Trump being "non-establishment."

Donald has always been down with the little guys' struggle...from his perch in his gold-plated Manhattan penthouse.

[Just_Victor]

@Cripplecreek

Yes, and many of his supporters ape his behavior.  "You're a Hillary supporter!  And hey, we need your vote!"

Just a suggestion for them....

[andy58-in-nh]

It would be nice to be able to vote for a candidate who uses multi-word sentences.

It would be nice to vote for a candidate who uses multisyllabic words, or alternatively, ones that aren't employed for the purposes of deception and obfuscation.

[Mechanicos]

Amazing how they willfully ignore that little fact.

Its not a fact, its a false logic that does not incorporate the context of real world politics.

The Democrats by default lie, cheat and steal their way to power. The elections for president are normally determined by just a handful of counties in swing states all of which are primarily controlled by Democrats who count the votes in them. Democrats will have a percent of votes no matter how the democrats vote usually within 3-7 percent of even overall of the general. This is the Thugs, Ballots in trunk, Diebold, graveyard advantage, etc they have.

So to begin its not a level playing field to start with. Its rigged to advantage by 3-7 percent Democrats with vote fraud before a single vote is counted. Thus by not voting for the GOP its a double hit on the GOP candidate because the Democrats will have both a vote and vote fraud advantage going into it. 

Consider, is it possible for 98 percent of blacks to vote democrat? What about too young, too old, felons, druggies who do not know whats going on etc?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/15/editorial-ballot-box-wizardry/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44053
http://howtostealanelection.blogspot.com/

This is the last election where your vote could make a difference. Going forward from here its going to be the open borders crowd voting and liberal courts ensuring conservatives will remain in the minority for the rest of your children's lives at least.

[Just_Victor]

...
The Democrats by default lie, cheat and steal their way to power.  ...

You should probably consider that statement with regard to the beliefs Trump clearly exibited in the past, and who he claims to be now .

[bilo]

Yeah... There's your first problem right there...
And no, he can't win. Christians won't be showing up in any force - And without the Christians, he's done.

I get it, part of the reason I won't vote for him is he has no self control. However, there seems to be a lot of Christians who are so fed up with 8 years of left wing radicals tearing the country down that they will vote for any fruitcake other than a Rat.

We should remember most people are not as tuned into politics as us. They don't follow these things anywhere near as closely as we do. For most people over 35 they see the country is in decline and have no idea why.  Also don't forget most Christians are "Sunday go to meeting Christians" not "7 day a week Christians".

[geronl]

Not going to happen even if your tiny percent of crazy delegates want to elect Hillary.

A "tiny percentage" isn't worth any of your attention.

[Mechanicos]

A "tiny percentage" isn't worth any of your attention.

In late June, Politico surveyed members of the Rules Committee asking if they would support a rules change that would unbind the delegates at the convention. Out of 32 responses, 25 said they were opposed. Politico also noted that another 33 members of the Rules Committee have made public statements either endorsing Trump or opposing rules changes like the conscience amendment.[14]

    On July 6, The Wall Street Journal published the results of a similar survey and found 20 rules committee members in favor of a conscience amendment and 59 against it. Thirty-three did not respond.[15]

    As of July 6, an estimated 682 delegates reportedly supported efforts to unbind the delegates, while 888 were opposed, according to Randy Evans, a Rules Committee member from Georgia. As noted by CNN, that left the stances of approximately 900 delegates unknown.[16]
https://ballotpedia.org/RNC_Rules_Committee,_2016

[sinkspur]

 
Taniel
‏@Taniel
NBC/@ajjaffe says both sides expect Sen. Mike Lee & his wife to vote for the conscience clause on Rules Committee:

[Mechanicos]

Taniel
‏@Taniel
NBC/@ajjaffe says both sides expect Sen. Mike Lee & his wife to vote for the conscience clause on Rules Committee:

Wow a whole 22 now with most against ya.

[EasyAce]

And a vote for neither is a vote for just that---neither.

Fixed. ;)

[Fantom]

Please, @mystery-ak ....I'm begging you!   Don't cross that line.

What line... a Board moderated by fairness?