Six silly lies that Trumpkins tell themselves

[L9teen]

Six silly lies that Trumpkins tell themselves
 By Jennifer Rubin June 6 at 12:30 PM
 
 1. Trump either will change his ludicrous proposals or Congress will stop him from going overboard.

2. If he changes policies, Trump will be fine.

3. Trump knows he needs to be more “presidential.”

4. Republicans in the future can disown Trump.

5. Trump will get smart advisers.

6. There is no other choice for Republicans.

Read more on each point above HERE

[Formerly Once-Ler]

There are plenty of things worse than four years of Clinton with a GOP majority in one or both houses <snip> One would be Trump in the White House. Another would be converting the GOP into a European-style National Front party.

 

I think Jennifer Rubin is a wonderful writer so I clicked the link and found this video substory.

The campaign of the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, is sparking a surge in the number of citizenship applications and voter registrations among Hispanics fearful of his immigration policies. Since January, California alone has seen a boost of 218 percent in Democratic registration and among Hispanics, registration is up 123 percent. (Alice Li/The Washington Post) 

Lots of immigrant workers have been content to work as non-citizens.  Trump is scaring them into applying for voting rights and turning them into life long rats.  The fallout from the Trump nightmare has just begun and it will be terrible.  God help us...Trump hasn't even got the nomination yet.

[L9teen]

The fallout from the Trump nightmare has just begun and it will be terrible.  God help us...Trump hasn't even got the nomination yet.

Right?

[RoosGirl]

7.  That he'll actually build a wall.

8.  That he has a plan for removing all illegals from the country.

[L9teen]

7.  That he'll actually build a wall.

8.  That he has a plan for removing all illegals from the country.

Speaking of which...

Key Trump surrogate admits border wall and deportations are a YUGE scam

[Mechanicos]

Speaking of which...

Key Trump surrogate admits border wall and deportations are a YUGE scam

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/30/eric-errickson-website-resurgent-paid-by-pro-cruzanti-trump-our-principles-pac/

[RoosGirl]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/30/eric-errickson-website-resurgent-paid-by-pro-cruzanti-trump-our-principles-pac/

So are you claiming that RedState completely made up the quotes from Chris Collins?

Incidentally, where on Trump's campaign site can I read about what Trump's plan is for removing illegals from the country??

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9. That if you don't support Trump, you are supporting Hillary.

10. That he is self-funding his campaign.

11. That he can't be bought.

12. That people beyond Trumpettes really do love his brash style.

13. That he is not a con man.

14. That he wins all the time.

15. That foreign leaders will take him seriously without him having to get America into an unnecessary war just to show everyone how serious he is.

16. That he won't bankrupt the country like he has so many businesses.

17. That he understands one damn thing about the Constitution.

18. That he won't sell out the Trumpettes in order to make an "yuge deal!"

...I could just go on and on...

[Mechanicos]

So are you claiming that RedState completely made up the quotes from Chris Collins?

Incidentally, where on Trump's campaign site can I read about what Trump's plan is for removing illegals from the country??

Probably under Immigration.

I would imagine shutting off the freebies to them, prosecuting sanctuary cities and States Going after businesses that hire them etc will cause a mass exodus. Lots of guys with Green hats running around...

Its happened before and lately before Obama on a smaller scale in some towns.

[Mechanicos]

So are you claiming that RedState completely made up the quotes from Chris Collins?

Incidentally, where on Trump's campaign site can I read about what Trump's plan is for removing illegals from the country??

I am saying RedState is paid to lie. They can take a truth and twist it till its a hit piece. They lie for pay.

[RoosGirl]

I am saying RedState is paid to lie. They can take a truth and twist it till its a hit piece. They lie for pay.

You don't have to read the article to know that Chris Collins said all those things.  He said them.  He's a Trump supporter.  So it's not just anti-Trump that don't believe a wall will be built.

[RoosGirl]

Probably under Immigration.

You know that is not true.

[Mechanicos]

You don't have to read the article to know that Chris Collins said all those things.  He said them.  He's a Trump supporter.  So it's not just anti-Trump that don't believe a wall will be built.

Its his opinion only. And he has nothing to back it. Why believe him? This is called Hearsay. Anybody can say anything.

[Mechanicos]

You know that is not true.

Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/30/eric-errickson-website-resurgent-paid-by-pro-cruzanti-trump-our-principles-pac/

Oh the not Conservative at all Trump tree house...yeh...THAT'S a reliable, unbiased, completely honest site. 

[RoosGirl]

Its his opinion only. And he has nothing to back it. Why believe him? This is called Hearsay. Anybody can say anything.

You mean like "It's going to be a great big beautiful wall."?

[L9teen]

Its his opinion only. And he has nothing to back it. Why believe him? This is called Hearsay. Anybody can say anything.

[RoosGirl]

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

That's wonderful.  I see the part where illegals that commit crimes (haha) are going to be made to leave.  Where's the part that says your average, law-abiding (haha) illegal will be made to leave?  Could you quote that part specifically?

[Mechanicos]

That's wonderful.  I see the part where illegals that commit crimes (haha) are going to be made to leave.  Where's the part that says your average, law-abiding (haha) illegal will be made to leave?  Could you quote that part specifically?

If they can't get jobs, housing and free stuff. and if they go criminal they get instant deportation, they will leave like they did in Operation Wetback https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

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If they can't get jobs, housing and free stuff. and if they go criminal they get instant deportation, they will leave like they did in Operation Wetback https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

@Mechanicos is the example to the headline of this article.  There are more than 6 lies though, apparently...

[RoosGirl]

If they can't get jobs, housing and free stuff. and if they go criminal they get instant deportation, they will leave like they did in Operation Wetback https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Ok, let's pretend I believe this is going to happen.  The immigration page you were kind enough to post also says that the influx of immigrants is holding down wages.  If the goal also is to make the illegals leave and provide some expedited process for them to return (which again is nowhere on the website, but has been a spoken policy), how does that do anything for wages or Americans' (meaning currently citizens) jobs?

[Mechanicos]

Ok, let's pretend I believe this is going to happen.  The immigration page you were kind enough to post also says that the influx of immigrants is holding down wages.  If the goal also it to make the illegals leave and provide some expedited process for them to return (which again is nowhere on the website, but has been a spoken policy, how does that do anything for wages or Americans' (meaning currently citizens) jobs?

Basic economics of supply and demand.

[RedHead]

I am saying RedState is paid to lie. They can take a truth and twist it till its a hit piece. They lie for pay.

And here you're doing all that for free.  Bet that makes you feel silly.

[RoosGirl]

Basic economics of supply and demand.

Right, then nothing changes from what it is now.

[Mechanicos]

Right, then nothing changes from what it is now.

Not quite, there will be a physical loss of lo-wage workers. Means fewer workers and employers having to compete to hire them