Unconventional #18: Inside the new book that details how GOP delegates could wriggle out of nominating Trump (and more!)

[Mesaclone]

The primary is over. Short of a large meteor striking the earth or an alien invasion, nothing can change the outcome. Its just absurd to even speculate about it, you'd have a better chance of winning the powerball...twice.

There is only one remaining task, and that is to defeat Hillary Clinton.

[RoosGirl]

The primary is over. Short of a large meteor striking the earth or an alien invasion, nothing can change the outcome. Its just absurd to even speculate about it, you'd have a better chance of winning the powerball...twice.

There is only one remaining task, and that is to defeat Hillary Clinton.

What part of the convention rules didn't you understand?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Short of a large meteor striking the earth or an alien invasion, nothing can change the outcome.

Then there is still hope.

[Norm Lenhart]

Then there is still hope.

Depends on the size of the meteor really. Too small and we're still screwed.

[Mechanicos]

Stop acting like Fascists


Trump has EARNED the most Votes ever in a Republican Primary.

[Oceander]

Stop acting like Fascists

You have no clue what a fascist is.

[Mechanicos]

You have no clue what a fascist is.

I'm not the one crying in my spoiled milk here. Pointing out that you guys are being both Stupid and acting like Fascist trying to steal the Nomination from the People. Do you really think this would end well for anybody trying it with the number of Americans who are angry, support Trump and rightfully fear what another 4 years of Obama will do to America and our courts?

[Mechanicos]

Facism:  a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) [NeverTrump] that exalts nation and often race [Race card, anti white] above the individual [Voters] and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader [Hillary], severe economic and social regimentation [Democrat rule], and forcible suppression of opposition. [What is being proposed here]. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

[Oceander]

I'm not the one crying in my spoiled milk here. Pointing out that you guys are being both Stupid and acting like Fascist trying to steal the Nomination from the People. Do you really think this would end well for anybody trying it with the number of Americans who are angry, support Trump and rightfully fear what another 4 years of Obama will do to America and our courts?

You keep talking about "the people" when "the people" haven't voted yet.  You either do not know what that term means or else you're lying for effect.  Choose your poison. 

There is precious little difference between Trump and Clinton except for the fact that she's biased against whites and he hates (at last count) Mexicans, Muslims, and women.  He will appoint liberal justices because he is a liberal.  Whatever Michael Bloomberg would have done as president is what Trump will do as president, and that is decidedly liberal.  Trump will push Obamacare to its logical conclusion - nationalized single payor health care - because he has already admitted, in one of his authentic, unscripted moments, that he thinks government should provide everyone with health care.  Trump will push to increase the minimum wage to $15 because he said he favors raising the minimum wage in one of his authentic, unscripted moments.  Trump will start trade wars with other countries because he has said he will in his authentic, unscripted moments.  Trump will go further than Obama and repudiate our alliances and historic allies because in his authentic unscripted moments he has said he will.  Trump will pursue the same noxious economic policies as Clinton and Sanders because in his authentic unscripted moments he has spoken in favor of policies just like theirs.

What Trump says in his off the cuff unscripted tweets is who he is and shows how he will govern.  His scripted set pieces, like his list of who he'd nominate to the Supreme Court, are nothing more than "truthful hyperbole" - what my sainted grandmother would have called fibs - designed to fool skeptical investors into becoming emotionally committed to him so they won't back out later on even when their common sense is screaming that they should do so to protect themselves. 

It's a shame that you don't understand principle, and have confused staying true to ones principles as crying over spilt milk, but if you had any principles you would not have supported Trump in the first place.   

[Mechanicos]

The People have voted in historical record breaking numbers for Trump to be the nominee in this Primary and you want to forcibly oppose them and STEAL from the people. Not only is that NOT principled its Fascist.

[Oceander]

Facism:  a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) [NeverTrump] that exalts nation and often race [Race card, anti white] above the individual [Voters] and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader [Hillary], severe economic and social regimentation [Democrat rule], and forcible suppression of opposition. [What is being proposed here]. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

The only people engaged forcible suppression of opposition are people like you, trying to beat the rest of us into submitting to your Orange God and giving up our principles.  You are nothing more than a pale version of JR on FR, which is where you belong, with the other lying harpies. 

[Oceander]

The People have voted in historical record breaking numbers for Trump to be the nominee in this Primary and you want to forcibly oppose them and STEAL from the people. Not only is that NOT principled its Fascist.

"The people" haven't voted yet.  What are you, a paid shill for Trump?  What part of "the general election hasn't happened yet" do you not understand?

[Mechanicos]

"The people" haven't voted yet.  What are you, a paid shill for Trump?  What part of "the general election hasn't happened yet" do you not understand?

Republicans HAVE voted in the Primary. They are the only relevant Sub Set of The People at issue here.  They have Voted for Trump to be the winner of this Primary in Historic record breaking Numbers. You know this. The Primary happened you cannot erase it pretending The People did not Pick Trump.

[Oceander]

Republicans HAVE voted in the Primary. They are the only relevant Sub Set of The People at issue here.  They have Voted for Trump to be the winner of this Primary in Historic record breaking Numbers. You know this. The Primary happened you cannot erase it pretending The People did not Pick Trump.

It's a standard liberal tactic, trying to conflate everyone with your particular minority political subset.  "The people" have not spoken, a mere plurality of the GOP have spoken. 

[ConstitutionRose]

Great job and thank you.  I'm going to copy your research and save it.

[ConstitutionRose]

It's a standard liberal tactic, trying to conflate everyone with your particular minority political subset.  "The people" have not spoken, a mere plurality of the GOP have spoken.  It's quickly becoming apparent that you're just as much a fascist liberal as is Trump.

I'm not even sure it's a plurality of the Republicans given open primaries and the ability (in some states) for unaffiliated and independents to choose the primary in which they want to vote,

[Mechanicos]

Face it, without Democrats swelling the ranks of #neverTrump its so small its nothing more then a pimple on the ass of the Republican Party.

[Jazzhead]

The 2016 Primaries are OVER!  Donald Trump is the UNDISPUTED winner @RoosGirl

Stop with the     Take a few days off, lick your wounds and come back prepared to fight Hillary Clinton.

ENOUGH with the #NeverTrump nonsense.  ENOUGH!!!!

Nope.   Being a GOP delegate doesn't obligate one to join a political suicide pact.  Trump is toxic, not only because he'll ensure Hillary's presidency, but because he'll take down the GOP House and Senate with him.

What you need to understand about the NeverTrumps is that we, too, want to defeat Hillary Clinton.   To do that, we need a candidate other than Trump.   It CAN'T BE DONE with Trump - he's too effing crazy.   

Seriously,  what we should be talking about to Trump supporters - at least those who want to defeat Clinton - is what changes would they want to see in the GOP platform in order to accept a compromise candidate who can win.   I think that's a viable way ahead - acknowledge the concerns that have driven the Trump movement but understand that the man himself is too flawed and dangerous to be President.   

 

[verga]

Several times. http://leavittpartners.com/2016/03/a-history-of-contested-political-conventions/

Thankyou for posting this.

[Jazzhead]

Republicans HAVE voted in the Primary. They are the only relevant Sub Set of The People at issue here.  They have Voted for Trump to be the winner of this Primary in Historic record breaking Numbers. You know this. The Primary happened you cannot erase it pretending The People did not Pick Trump.

And "the People" (or at least a plurality of them)  have picked a sure loser.    So what do you do about it?  Let Trump have his way and provide Clinton with a landslide victory and the Dems with Congressional majorities? 

FACTS HAVE CHANGED since Indiana - Trump's shown an unwillingness to expand his appeal beyond his fanboys, and is reinforcing on a daily basis the charges of his critics that he's utterly unfit for the job.   His self-exposure this week as a racist is (should be) the last straw.   

If the objective is to deny Hillary Clinton, then we must derail the Trump train. 

 

[Bigun]

I continue to hope that the convention delegates, republicans all,  will do the right thing and refuse to nominate this carnival barker/con man Trump!

[sinkspur]

The primary is over. Short of a large meteor striking the earth or an alien invasion, nothing can change the outcome. Its just absurd to even speculate about it, you'd have a better chance of winning the powerball...twice.

There is only one remaining task, and that is to defeat Hillary Clinton.

Nope. The RNC and the elected GOP have maximum leverage over Trump right now.  If he will not apologize, then they should convene the Republican governors and petition the Convention Rules Committee to unbind delegates on the first ballot. It's entirely within the power of that committee to do that.

Things have shifted.  All bets are off. Trump is hanging by a thread.

[verga]

I'm not the one crying in my spoiled milk here. Pointing out that you guys are being both Stupid and acting like Fascist trying to steal the Nomination from the People. Do you really think this would end well for anybody trying it with the number of Americans who are angry, support Trump and rightfully fear what another 4 years of Obama will do to America and our courts?

Buyer's remorse, and the more T-Rump talks the more buyer are having remorse.

[Bigun]

Nope. The RNC and the elected GOP have maximum leverage over Trump right now.  If he will not apologize, then they should convene the Republican governors and petition the Convention Rules Committee to unbind delegates on the first ballot. It's entirely within the power of that committee to do that.

Things have shifted.  All bets are off. Trump is hanging by a thread.

They are not bound right now!  There is no current rule that requires a delegate to vote any particular way on any vote!

[Sanguine]

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