Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement

[Mechanicos]

You first.

I did with your boy flip flopping like democrat. Then showed again with your own boy how phoney and calculating he is to trick people like you.

[txradioguy]

You ever gonna man up and answer the original question posed to you?  Or are you just gonna continue to shoot spitballs and run away?

[skeeter]

They cannot dispute the Substance of the videos so are looking to try to attack the Messenger. It means they have nothing to rebut them with.

It's tough to refute a multitude of vague charges on a campaign video production. But if you'd like to roll one charge out at a time I'm certain each one can be demolished in detail. It wouldn't be the first time.

So, have at it. I'm sure we can do this again. Let's hear the first 'Cruz lied' charge.

[EC]

So you can play attack the messenger? Try addressing the Substance if you can.

Nah, attack the messenger is your shtick. Merely holding you to your own standard.

You won't do it, of course.

[washi]

We've been voting in this manner since Dole sir, and it has become clear it is just an exercise in insanity and futility.  This has been the mantra since Reagan left office: "vote for the RINO or be guilty of voting for the Socialist/Communist".

There is a WORLD of difference between a candidate foisted upon us by the establishment republicans, and a candidate foisted upon us by the populous, ignorant though they may be.

There were two, count them, two anti-establishment candidates in this race.

The absolute best; the Constitution candidate, despised by the establishment because he threatened their "Status Quo", was Cruz.

Cruz was, unfortunately, beaten, by the schoolyard bully who decided he wanted to be president and ran a dirty campaign.

The schoolyard bully is equally despised by the establishment because he, too, threatens the establishment "Status Quo".

The thing that the schoolyard bully has behind him, though, is millions of stary-eyed dullard voters to help push him over the finish line in the general, to end the status-quo of the establishment, and a team of actual Constitutional-conservative consultants to help shape his policy.

[mystery-ak]

There is a WORLD of difference between a candidate foisted upon us by the establishment republicans, and a candidate foisted upon us by the populous, ignorant though they may be.

There were two, count them, two anti-establishment candidates in this race.

The absolute best; the Constitution candidate, despised by the establishment because he threatened their "Status Quo", was Cruz.

Cruz was, unfortunately, beaten, by the schoolyard bully who decided he wanted to be president and ran a dirty campaign.

The schoolyard bully is equally despised by the establishment because he, too, threatens the establishment "Status Quo".

The thing that the schoolyard bully has behind him, though, is millions of stary-eyed dullard voters to help push him over the finish line in the general, to end the status-quo of the establishment, and a team of actual Constitutional-conservative consultants to help shape his policy.

To me this is the best post on what has happened.....sad but true

[alicewonders]

Yes, you do.

Posting a video, then replying by saying "there's loads" and posting two more when asked who produced and funded the first one is not an answer. Now he has three to supply answers for, not just the one.

See, I'd normally not care, but this is the same poster who dives into the minutia of who produces and funds anything against Trump. I assume he's of honest character and does the same due diligence on pro-Trump or anti-Cruz items,and would like his research to be show.

Are you talking about Right in Virginia?  That's who posted the first video that Myst asked about?  Another guy posted two more after that?


 

[washi]

Take ownership of this one.  This is all on you Trumpsters.   

You haven't been paying attention, either.

I'm far from being a Trumpster.

However, I won't cut off my own nose to spite my face.

We have to play the hand we're dealt.

You call it: vote for Trump, or leave, unopposed, a vote for Hillary.

The ownership of that choice is on you.

[libertybele]

My two cents on the videos.  It really doesn't matter who made them; videos can be spliced and edited together. 

What I find interesting in all of this is; here we have a thread dealing with the rift in the NeverTrump movement; and Cruz  somehow winds up being the focus. Perhaps the Trumpsters realize that Cruz is the true conservative and as time goes on Trump continues to blatantly back pedal on issues. Many I think are coming to the realization that Trump is nothing more than a con artist.

[Mechanicos]

It's tough to refute a multitude of vague charges on a campaign video production. But if you'd like to roll one charge out at a time I'm certain each one can be demolished in detail. It wouldn't be the first time.

So, have at it. I'm sure we can do this again. Let's hear the first 'Cruz lied' charge.

Yes its very hard to refute party admissions caught on video. Until you can rebut Cruz's own words I have no obligation here.

[Mechanicos]

My two cents on the videos.  It really doesn't matter who made them; videos can be spliced and edited together. 

What I find interesting in all of this is; here we have a thread dealing with the rift in the NeverTrump movement; and Cruz  somehow winds up being the focus. Perhaps the Trumpsters realize that Cruz is the true conservative and as time goes on Trump continues to blatantly back pedal on issues. Many I think are coming to the realization that Trump is nothing more than a con artist.

Yeah its really hard to refute Cruz's own words and actions. And the Campaign video one was made by Cruz himself just the entire thing, not the edited parts.

[INVAR]

There is a WORLD of difference between a candidate foisted upon us by the establishment republicans, and a candidate foisted upon us by the populous, ignorant though they may be.

There were two, count them, two anti-establishment candidates in this race.

The absolute best; the Constitution candidate, despised by the establishment because he threatened their "Status Quo", was Cruz.

Cruz was, unfortunately, beaten, by the schoolyard bully who decided he wanted to be president and ran a dirty campaign.

The schoolyard bully is equally despised by the establishment because he, too, threatens the establishment "Status Quo".

The thing that the schoolyard bully has behind him, though, is millions of stary-eyed dullard voters to help push him over the finish line in the general, to end the status-quo of the establishment, and a team of actual Constitutional-conservative consultants to help shape his policy.

Very good analysis sir.

What we do not know, is whether or not Trump will actually listen to this team of actual Constitutional Conservative consultants that are advising him on policy - or if Trump will do what Trump always does - decides to do things his own way in complete disregard of said advisors.

That's fine when running your own company.

That's not fine when acting as an Administrative Executive of a country. 

Trump's omission of ever mentioning the Constitution or separation of powers when championing all he intends to do upon his own decree and strength - is as dangerous a dictatorship from a populist nationalist as it would be from a Marxist Communist. 

Liberty and the Constitution still lose, which is why we are not convinced to support the GOP presumptive nominee.

[Bigun]

You haven't been paying attention, either.

I'm far from being a Trumpster.

However, I won't cut off my own nose to spite my face.

We have to play the hand we're dealt.

You call it: vote for Trump, or leave, unopposed, a vote for Hillary.

The ownership of that choice is on you.

So by your logic my not voting for Hitlery is a vote for Trump.   

[Wingnut]

You haven't been paying attention, either.

I'm far from being a Trumpster.

However, I won't cut off my own nose to spite my face.

We have to play the hand we're dealt.

You call it: vote for Trump, or leave, unopposed, a vote for Hillary.

The ownership of that choice is on you.

The choice is simple and I pity the fool who votes for Trump. 

[skeeter]

Yes its very hard to refute party admissions caught on video. Until you can rebut Cruz's own words I have no obligation here.

Of course you have no obligation to back up your general charge that Cruz lied. Why start now?

[libertybele]

There's all kinds of videos out there.  This one just happens to be a clip from CNN indicating how Trump manipulates and lies; especially about Cruz.

CNN’s Jake Tapper did a short online video segment on the row between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz over the nude Melania Trump ad, going through the entire saga and then busting Trump for lying about Ted Cruz’s involvement in the ad.

Watch:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6diqb-rlcvc

I love how he dealt with Trump’s claim that Ted Cruz bought the rights to the ad. It turns out nobody did except the photographer!

Once again it’s clear Trump will say absolutely anything, no matter how false it is, just to defend himself and win.

We are in so much trouble if Trump wins the nomination

Read more: http://therightscoop.com/watch-cnns-jake-tapper-busts-donald-trump-over-lying-about-ted-cruz-and-melania-ad/#ixzz49Q38FqEY

[Right_in_Virginia]

The thing that the schoolyard bully has behind him, though, is millions of stary-eyed dullard voters to help push him over the finish line in the general, to end the status-quo of the establishment, and a team of actual Constitutional-conservative consultants to help shape his policy.

To me this is the best post on what has happened.....sad but true

@mystery-ak

Do you think I'm a "starry-eyed dullard"?

[skeeter]

Don't go letting the air out of the Trumpsters' simple, easy to use, one size fits all "Lyin' Ted" meme.

Like a beginning swimmer suddenly deprived of his water wings they'll flail back to it every time.

[truth_seeker]

..... is millions of stary-eyed dullard voters ....

Should not be so disrespectfully dismissed. Continuing to re-litigate the primaries, with name calling is a waste of time.

Hopefully Cruz and his supporters have learned some lessons, along those lines.

Dismissals of voters, with "New York Values" quips and "stary-eyed dullards," quips is not a winning strategy.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Don't go letting the air out of the Trumpsters' simple, easy to use, one size fits all "Lyin' Ted" meme.

Like a beginning swimmer suddenly deprived of his water wings they'll flail back to it every time.

Why not post a video proving Ted Cruz doesn't lie?   

[EasyAce]

You haven't been paying attention, either.

I'm far from being a Trumpster.

However, I won't cut off my own nose to spite my face.

We have to play the hand we're dealt.

You call it: vote for Trump, or leave, unopposed, a vote for Hillary.

The ownership of that choice is on you.

Some of us live in states where "none of the above" is an option.

I live in such a state. And that's going to be my vote in November. (I lament that Nevada did
away with the write-in vote, but we have to play the hand we're dealt, after all . . . )

Because I refuse to vote for either of two arsonists to fight the fire burning the house.

[mystery-ak]

@mystery-ak

Do you think I'm a "starry-eyed dullard"?

It doesn't feel so good to all be grouped one way or the other...just this morning conservatives were referred to as *bottom feeders*...

[BigHomer]

Some of us live in states where "none of the above" is an option.

I live in such a state. And that's going to be my vote in November. (I lament that Nevada did
away with the write-in vote, but we have to play the hand we're dealt, after all . . . )

Because I refuse to vote for either of two arsonists to fight the fire burning the house.

True that   same here

[skeeter]

Why not post a video proving Ted Cruz doesn't lie?   

Stop for a moment & consider how silly that suggestion is.

I understand its convenient to simply name 'liar' as a character trait of your opponent and leave it at that but really it should require some critical thought and an adequate defense of it on the part of the individuals making the charge.

Its not something one in good conscious does simply because the political candidate of their choice chants it at his campaign rallies.

[andy58-in-nh]

Why not post a video proving Ted Cruz doesn't lie?   

Because when you falsely accuse someone of lying, the proper response is not to try to prove a negative, but to deny the false accusation and make the liars prove it with something other than cleverly spliced videos.

Cruz could explain it himself, but that would necessitate the use of concepts that your average Trump supporter would instantly deny, lest they be made to look up words that exceed their grasp.

Oh, I'm sorry: was that an insult?

Yeah. It was. Wanna have some fun? Ask your Orange-Haired Idiot Hero what he thinks about what Article II Clause I of the Constitution says. He'll look at you like a poodle when you ask him if he wants to go wee-wee. That's your guy. Have fun with that. I'm out.