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Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« on: May 10, 2016, 01:31:23 pm »
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-the-conservative-hope-1462833870

Hillary: The Conservative Hope

The right can survive liberal presidents. Trump will kill its best ideas for a generation.

 
By BRET STEPHENS

May 9, 2016 6:44 p.m. ET

The best hope for what’s left of a serious conservative movement in America is the election in November of a Democratic president, held in check by a Republican Congress. Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations—think Carter, then Reagan. What isn’t survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation.

This is the reality that wavering Republicans need to understand before casting their lot with a presumptive nominee they abhor only slightly less than his likely opponent. If the next presidency is going to be a disaster, why should the GOP want to own it?

In the 1990s, when another Clinton was president, conservatives became fond of the phrase “character counts.” This was a way of scoring points against Bill Clinton for his sexual predations and rhetorical misdirections, as well as a statement that Americans expected honor and dignity in the Oval Office. I’ll never forget the family friend, circa 1998, who wondered how she was supposed to explain the meaning of a euphemism for oral sex to her then 10-year-old daughter.

Conservatives still play the character card against Hillary Clinton, citing her disdain for other people’s rules, her Marie Antoinette airs and her potential law breaking. It’s a fair card to play, if only the presumptive Republican nominee weren’t himself a serial fabulist, an incorrigible self-mythologizer, a brash vulgarian, and, when it comes to his tax returns, a determined obfuscator. Endorsing Mr. Trump means permanently laying to rest any claim conservatives might ever again make on the character issue.

Conservatives are also supposed to believe that it’s folly to put hope before experience; that leopards never change their spots. So what’s with the magical thinking that, nomination in hand, Mr. Trump will suddenly pivot to magnanimity and statesmanship? Where’s the evidence that, as president, Mr. Trump will endorse conservative ideas on tax, trade, regulation, welfare, social, judicial or foreign policy, much less personal comportment?

On Monday, former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who savaged Mr. Trump during the campaign, published an op-ed in these pages on why he plans to cast his vote for the real-estate developer as “the second-worst thing we could do this November.” Too much is at stake, Mr. Jindal said, on everything from curbing the regulatory excesses of the Obama administration to appointing a conservative judge to the Supreme Court, to risk another Democratic administration.

Mr. Jindal holds out the hope that Mr. Trump, who admires the Supreme Court’s 2005 Kelo decision on eminent domain (the one in which Susette Kelo’s little pink house was seized by the city of New London for the intended benefit of private developers), might yet appoint strict constructionists to the bench. Mr. Jindal also seems to think that a man whose preferred style of argument is the threatened lawsuit and the Twittertantrum, can be trusted with the vast investigative apparatus of the federal government.

The deeper mistake that Mr. Jindal and other lukewarm Trump supporters make is to assume that policy counts for more than ideas—that is, that the policy disasters he anticipates from a Clinton administration will be indelible, while Trumpism poses no real threat to the conservative ideas he has spent a political career championing. This belief stems from a failure to take Trumpism seriously, or to realize just how fragile modern conservatism is as a vital political movement.

But Trumpism isn’t just a triumph of marketing or the excrescence of a personality cult. It is a regression to the conservatism of blood and soil, of ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism. Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets. When that balance collapses—under a Republican president, no less—it may never again be restored, at least in our lifetimes.

For liberals, all this may seem like so much manna from heaven. Mr. Trump’s nomination not only gives his Democratic opponent the best possible shot at winning the election (with big down-ballot gains, too), but of permanently discrediting the conservative movement as a serious ideological challenger. They should be careful what they wish for. Mr. Trump could yet win, or one of his epigones might in four or eight years. This will lead to its own left-wing counter-reactions, putting America on the road to Weimar.

For conservatives, a Democratic victory in November means the loss of another election, with all the policy reversals that entails. That may be dispiriting, but elections will come again. A Trump presidency means losing the Republican Party. Conservatives need to accept that most conservative of wisdoms—sometimes, losing is winning, especially when it offers an education in the importance of political hygiene.
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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 01:44:50 pm »
What a piece of stinking garbage this piece is!

Giving Hillary the power to pick at least two Supreme Court judges that will be shaping this country for generations to come.....

NeverHillary



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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 01:45:52 pm »

This was my morning reading on the train.   Spot on.   There ARE worse things than four years of Hillary Clinton. 

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This is the reality that wavering Republicans need to understand before casting their lot with a presumptive nominee they abhor only slightly less than his likely opponent. If the next presidency is going to be a disaster, why should the GOP want to own it?
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 01:59:59 pm »
Whoever wins in Nov. I feel for the female Whitehouse interns.  On one hand you have the orange letch Trump. On the other you have the Clinton tag team. :thud:

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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 02:00:58 pm »
You guys are actually promoting Hillary Clinton.

 **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 02:03:09 pm »
You guys are actually promoting Hillary Clinton.

 **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*

Sure, we must put first things last. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 02:03:57 pm »
You guys are actually promoting Hillary Clinton.

 **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*

No, I'm seeking to defeat Trump.  Obviously, I would have preferred to do so before the convention.  Since that opportunity is lost, there's no option but to make sure he's defeated in the fall.   It sucks, but it's necessary.   
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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 02:04:32 pm »
The right can't survive liberal presidents. We've had liberal presidents since 1993. (GWB was not the typical liberal, but he sure wasn't conservative).

And now look at the condition of the supposedly conservative party. It's a mess.

You people who want Hillary, wait until you get her. I will read your posts with amusement.

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 02:05:09 pm »
This was my morning reading on the train.   Spot on.   There ARE worse things than four years of Hillary Clinton.

If she lives, it will be 8 years.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 02:06:13 pm »
While this article makes good points( assuming a Hillary presidency becomes the disaster that I'm confident  it would) what the article never mentions is the number of people that will then be entrenched in receiving government handouts of which both Trump and she seem extremely reluctant to address. That will be a powerful voting bloc that will be nearly impossible to unravel.

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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 02:06:47 pm »
Whoever wins in Nov. I feel for the female Whitehouse interns.  On one hand you have the orange letch Trump. On the other you have the Clinton tag team. :thud:

I don't think Bill has got what it takes anymore.  Hillary - that's another thing. 



Anyone that can argue in favor of Hillary Clinton being our next president while calling themselves "conservative" ain't playin' with a full deck.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 02:08:39 pm »
This was my morning reading on the train.   Spot on.   There ARE worse things than four years of Hillary Clinton.

Indeed...eight years of Hillary comes to mind.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 02:12:43 pm »





That's not a man. That's a walking corpse **nononono*
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 02:20:05 pm »
The right can't survive liberal presidents. We've had liberal presidents since 1993. (GWB was not the typical liberal, but he sure wasn't conservative).

And now look at the condition of the supposedly conservative party. It's a mess.

You people who want Hillary, wait until you get her. I will read your posts with amusement.

No, I don't want Clinton.  I supported Kasich for as long as I could precisely because the polls said he had the best shot at defeating Hillary.  I know what damage she will cause.

  Don't blame me for doing what I have to do to make sure that Trump - a truly dangerous man - never occupies the White House.  It should have been done already,  but it hasn't.  Don't blame me for forcing me into a position of having no choice.   
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 02:22:15 pm »
No, I don't want Clinton.  I supported Kasich for as long as I could precisely because the polls said he had the best shot at defeating Hillary.  I know what damage she will cause.

  Don't blame me for doing what I have to do to make sure that Trump - a truly dangerous man - never occupies the White House.  It should have been done already,  but it hasn't.  Don't blame me for forcing me into a position of having no choice.

Ok, explain to me how Trump is more dangerous than Hillary?

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2016, 02:23:49 pm »
Ok, explain to me how Trump is more dangerous than Hillary?

He is Mentally Retarded and Unstable.

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2016, 02:26:00 pm »
He is Mentally Retarded and Unstable.

Fortunately, I wasn't asking you. The low caliber of your answer will earn it the response it deserves. As well as help to characterize you.
And you have the temerity to insult Trump supporters.

 :silly:

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2016, 02:28:20 pm »
Fortunately, I wasn't asking you. The low caliber of your answer will earn it the response it deserves. As well as help to characterize you.
And you have the temerity to insult Trump supporters.

 :silly:

Coming from you that is high praise.  Thank you.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2016, 02:30:06 pm »
No, I don't want Clinton.  I supported Kasich for as long as I could precisely because the polls said he had the best shot at defeating Hillary.  I know what damage she will cause.

  Don't blame me for doing what I have to do to make sure that Trump - a truly dangerous man - never occupies the White House.  It should have been done already,  but it hasn't.  Don't blame me for forcing me into a position of having no choice.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2016, 02:33:34 pm »
Ok, explain to me how Trump is more dangerous than Hillary?

He is unstable and ignorant.  An intelligent person with the wrong ideas is preferable to an ignorant person with constantly changing ideas.

I will vote for neither Trump nor Hillary.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2016, 02:41:31 pm »
He is unstable and ignorant.  An intelligent person with the wrong ideas is preferable to an ignorant person with constantly changing ideas.

I will vote for neither Trump nor Hillary.

The degree of this instability and ignorance puzzles me.
Didn't he go to some very fine schools and pass? Wouldn't that constitute education? How many military schools did Hillary attend?
While he wasn't always successful, isn't the man quite wealthy, and in charge of a large enterprise? A chronically unstable individual couldn't do that, could he?

I don't claim to know what Trump will or won't do. But I do think it's in Trump's best interest to try to improve America. I don't think Hillary has any illusion of making America better, and her core constituency will cheer as she burns the place down.

Additionally, Congress will fight Trump tooth and nail, regardless of which party is in control. Trump is just an old, rich, white guy who deserves to be challenged at every turn. Hillary will get a pass from Congress, regardless of which party is in control. Hillary's "vision" for America will be unchallenged as she pulls the country down.

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2016, 03:30:35 pm »
Yeah don't agree with this at all, if you don't like Trump, go third party or don't vote at all. Sheesh.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2016, 03:32:20 pm »
He is Mentally Retarded and Unstable.

I think he is emotionally retarded as opposed to mentally deficient. Honestly, Trump is not a stupid man.

He is, however, an almost comically insecure man. There are thirteen-year old girls who would be embarrassed to Tweet the way he does, mockingly and defensively.

His acolytes seem to think nothing of it, as though it were normal behavior for an almost 70-year old man to throw hissy fits and get into flame wars that sound more like the handiwork of a Pee Wee Herman than of a potential President.

And Donald, if you're reading this: Pee Wee Herman has bigger hands than you.
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Re: Hillary: The Conservative Hope
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2016, 03:52:46 pm »
You guys are actually promoting Hillary Clinton.

Actually if the election isn't close up here I'll vote Conservative down ticket. But if it is close I'll pull the lever for Hilliary to StopTrump

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2016, 04:32:52 pm »
I think the term RINO has now taken on a new persona.  :smokin:
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