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The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:12:27 pm »
There are many reasons why Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. The four most-often cited reasons are the frustrations of white working-class Americans, a widespread revulsion against political correctness, disenchantment with the Republican establishment, and the unprecedented and unrivaled amount of time the media afforded Trump.


        They are all valid.


        But the single biggest reason is this: The majority of Republicans are not conservative.

Conservatives who opposed Trump kept arguing -- indeed, provided unassailable proof -- that Trump is not a conservative and has never been one. But the argument meant little or nothing to two types of Republicans: the majority of Trump voters who don't care whether he is a conservative, and the smaller number of Trump voters who are conservative, but care about illegal immigration more than all other issues, including his many and obvious failings.


        So, then, what happened to the majority of Republicans? Why aren't they conservative?


        The answer lies in America's biggest -- and scariest -- problem: Most Americans no longer know what America stands for. For them, America has become just another country, a place located between Canada and Mexico.

But America was founded to be an idea, not another country. As former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher put it: "Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy."

Why haven't the past three generations of Americans known what America stands for?

The biggest reason is probably the influence of left-wing ideas.

 Since its inception, the left has opposed the American idea, and for good reason. Everything the American idea represents undermines leftist ideas. And the left, unlike most Americans, has always understood that either the left is right, or America is right.

 America stands for small government, a free economy (and therefore, capitalism), liberty (which therefore allows for its inevitable consequence: inequality), the melting pot ideal and a God-centered population rooted in Judeo-Christian values (so that a moral society is created by citizens exercising self-control rather than relying on the state to impose control).

Only America was founded on the idea of small government. But the left is based on big government.

America was founded on the principle that human rights come from the creator. For the left, rights come from the state.

America was founded on the belief that in order to maintain a small government, only a God-fearing people can ensure a decent country. The left opposes God-based religions, particularly Judeo-Christian religions. Secularism, as much as egalitarianism, is as at the core of leftism.


        The American Revolution, unlike the French Revolution, placed liberty above equality. For the left, equality is more important than all else. That's why so many American and European leftists have celebrated left-wing regimes, from Stalin to Mao to Guevara to Castro to Chavez, no matter how much the regimes squelched individual liberty. They all preached equality.


        It took generations, but the left has succeeded (primarily through the schools, but also through the media) in substituting its values for America's.


        While the left has been the primary cause, there have been others.

The most significant is success.

  American values inspired so much success that Americans came to take that success for granted. They forgot what made America uniquely free and affluent. And now, it's not even accurate to say they forgot because the current generation never knew. While schools (starting with the universities) were being transformed into institutions for left-wing indoctrination, American parents ceased teaching their children American values (starting with not reading them the most popular book in American history: the Bible).

 Schools even stopped teaching American history. When American history is taught today, it is taught as a history of oppression, imperialism and racism. Likewise, there is essentially no education on civics, once a staple of the public school system. Young Americans are not taught the Constitution or how American government works. I doubt many college students even know what "separation of powers" means, let alone why it is so significant.


        So, then, thanks to leftism and America's taken-for-granted success, most Americans no longer understand what it means to be American. Those who do are called conservatives because they wish to conserve the unique American idea. But conservatives now constitute not only a minority of Americans, but a minority of Republicans. That is the primary reason Donald Trump -- a nationalist, but not a conservative -- is the presumptive of Republican nominee.


        As I noted from the outset, I will vote for him if he wins the nomination -- because there is no choice. But the biggest reason he won is scary.












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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 12:24:59 pm »
 :amen: My great grandparents came here with little more than the clothes on their backs. They assimilated, leaned the language, got jobs, started businesses. They sent their children to school and expected them to assimilate as well. They did not look for government handouts, they did not expect the country to change for them because they came here for a better life. They knew what they left behind and did what they had to do to insure their families would not have to live under those conditions ever again.
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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 12:36:03 pm »
 America stands for small government, a free economy (and therefore, capitalism), liberty (which therefore allows for its inevitable consequence: inequality), the melting pot ideal and a God-centered population rooted in Judeo-Christian values (so that a moral society is created by citizens exercising self-control rather than relying on the state to impose control).

I am sorry but inequality is not an inevitable consequence of liberty.  In fact, if there is true economic liberty, all inequities will correct themselves soon enough.  It is when the market is controlled by collectivists that we see inequality rear its ugly head.  Just look at the places around the world that have embraced socialism, and compare the inequality in those societies against places with low taxes and free markets such as Hong Kong, Singapore or Bermuda.

This, to me, is the greatest tragedy of the past 40 years.  We have come to believe that capitalism is responsible for the hollowing out of the middle class when the truth is the opposite.  This hollowing out has occurred in lockstep with the government grabbing more and more control over the economy. 

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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 12:40:03 pm »
Without a doubt the scariest reason King Trumpy will get the nomination is........ the number of evangelicals that voted for him. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 12:45:01 pm »
I'm not as pessimistic as the author regarding the continuing appeal of liberty-centric conservatism - "free minds and free markets" has an abiding appeal -  but concede it had trouble finding its champion this year.   I agree with Gerald Seib, of the WSJ, that political dysfunction gave rise to Trump - an abiding frustration on the part of most of us with the lack of anything getting done in Washington.   As Mr.  Seib points out,  for the years 2013 and 2014,  there were an amazing 253 cloture motions filed to end filibusters, and the last two congressional terms (2012-2013 and 2013-2014) produced the least enacted laws in recent history.   (That doesn't mean there hasn't been change -  Obama has resorted to executive orders and expansive regulation to take the place of bipartisan legislation.)   

 There was indeed a champion for liberty-centric conservatism this year - Ted Cruz - but he's even more closely associated with dysfunction in Washington,  threatening to shut down government to scratch a partisan itch.

I supported Kasich in large party because he seemed to be both a conservative and an effective political manager, able to get his ideas translated into legislative results.   That pragmatism,  perversely, simply didn't appeal to those enamored of Trump's message to just blow the whole thing up, even though Kasich had the most potential to actually change how Washington works.     

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 12:46:13 pm »

I am sorry but inequality is not an inevitable consequence of liberty.  In fact, if there is true economic liberty, all inequities will correct themselves soon enough.  It is when the market is controlled by collectivists that we see inequality rear its ugly head.  Just look at the places around the world that have embraced socialism, and compare the inequality in those societies against places with low taxes and free markets such as Hong Kong, Singapore or Bermuda.

This, to me, is the greatest tragedy of the past 40 years.  We have come to believe that capitalism is responsible for the hollowing out of the middle class when the truth is the opposite.  This hollowing out has occurred in lockstep with the government grabbing more and more control over the economy.


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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 12:47:30 pm »
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  In fact, if there is true economic liberty, all inequities will correct themselves soon enough.   
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Lol... ummm no.  Inequality comes through freedom of choice.  As our founders stated, God creates all men equal.  Inequality is a result of a fallen world.  It is a result of freedom of choice.

Economic liberty will insure that the hard worker, risk taker, self motivated will have more..... while the lazy, or no risk takers, or persons that are just content with less will not have as much. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 12:50:39 pm »

Economic liberty will insure that the hard worker, risk taker, self motivated will have more..... while the lazy, or no risk takers, or persons that are just content with less will not have as much.

So where is the inequity in that?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 12:55:30 pm »
So where is the inequity in that?

The inequity as viewed by the left is the outcome.  Poverty vs wealth.   Rather than cure the symptoms that result in poverty, they try to treat the poverty.

Freedom of choice creates inequality.   We are all equally free to choose, but those choices lead to power, wealth, happiness, contentment, boats, pricey cars, poverty, disease, good health, quality relationships, anger and frustration.    Inequality is the natural result of freedom of choice.   The left would deny that freedom of choice in an attempt to make all the same.  That's communism..... right?
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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 12:59:02 pm »
Trump simply gave non PC voice to the illegal immigration problem that is deeply festering at the local levels while being ignored by the GOP nationally and encouraged by the democraps.

That was enough for many to ignore his generally liberal leaning history.

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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 01:03:41 pm »

I supported Kasich in large party because he seemed to be both a conservative and an effective political manager, able to get his ideas translated into legislative results.   That pragmatism,  perversely, simply didn't appeal to those enamored of Trump's message to just blow the whole thing up, even though Kasich had the most potential to actually change how Washington works.   

Kasich is not at all conservative.

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 01:04:31 pm »
The inequity as viewed by the left is the outcome.  Poverty vs wealth.   Rather than cure the symptoms that result in poverty, they try to treat the poverty.

Freedom of choice creates inequality.   We are all equally free to choose, but those choices lead to power, wealth, happiness, contentment, boats, pricey cars, poverty, disease, good health, quality relationships, anger and frustration.    Inequality is the natural result of freedom of choice.   The left would deny that freedom of choice in an attempt to make all the same.  That's communism..... right?

Ah! I guess I somehow missed the "as viewed from the left"  part in what I responded to!

Right on!  :beer:
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 01:41:46 pm »

Intentionally or not, You guys are actually debating the import of two different words.  "Inequity" means unfair/unjust.  "Inequality" means unequal.  "Inequity" should be eliminated by individual freedom and liberty -- Inequality will persist because people are not all equal in terms of talent, ability, etc., even if they are all "created equal" before the law and before God.

I agree with that.... but here's the tricky part for me...   I am a white male.  I was born into a family whose parents stayed married.  Whose parents worked hard and instilled values, ethics, etc in me.   I had many advantages.  They weren't rich by any stretch, but I had advantages that others did not have.  There is no doubt.  Could I still have failed??  Absolutely.... we are all to some degree a product of our choices.   But yes.... I did not start in "equity" with some others.

Here is the problem for the left..... all he reperations in the world will not solve that inequity.   You cannot buy IQ.  You cannot buy values that were not instilled in a two year old.  You cannot buy something that will undo choices.   Reperations will not solve the poor's problems.   And, the left views everything through the prisom of wealth vs poverty.  And, the left believes that given the same opportunity all would achieve the same.... and that simply isn't true.

We all make choices, and we all live in a fallen world.   The solution is not financial.... the solution is our choices.   We choose eternal life or we choose eternal death.   No reperations can change that.   The left measures success by finances.... so do a lot on the right.   They're both wrong.

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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 01:48:35 pm »
America stands for small government, a free economy (and therefore, capitalism), liberty (which therefore allows for its inevitable consequence: inequality), the melting pot ideal and a God-centered population rooted in Judeo-Christian values (so that a moral society is created by citizens exercising self-control rather than relying on the state to impose control).

I am sorry but inequality is not an inevitable consequence of liberty.  In fact, if there is true economic liberty, all inequities will correct themselves soon enough.  It is when the market is controlled by collectivists that we see inequality rear its ugly head.  Just look at the places around the world that have embraced socialism, and compare the inequality in those societies against places with low taxes and free markets such as Hong Kong, Singapore or Bermuda.

This, to me, is the greatest tragedy of the past 40 years.  We have come to believe that capitalism is responsible for the hollowing out of the middle class when the truth is the opposite.  This hollowing out has occurred in lockstep with the government grabbing more and more control over the economy.

I think the author's definition of inequality differs from yours.

There will always be those who possess an abundance of ambition, knowledge, initiative, strength, talent or a saleable personality. There will be those who lack these attributes. Under a free market system, people will be compensated for the value that they bring to the person who is doing the purchasing. Those with the positive attributes will be duly compensated. Those who are mere warm bodies will also be duly compensated, but at a lower level.

To me and you, this is equality. Just compensation for the level of value provided. If the compensation is perceived to be too high for the value provided then there isn't an agreement. If the payer perceives that he is getting a bargain then he spends the money. This is why the free market excels over other systems.

The author only sees a pay difference to the recipient of the money; the assumption is made that everyone has the same attributes, or that compensation should be provided without regard to the value added. Forcing payment to a low value person (or under-compensation to a high-value source) can only be maintained by government control. And such government control is unnatural.

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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 01:58:53 pm »
I think the author's definition of inequality differs from yours.
The author only sees a pay difference to the recipient of the money; the assumption is made that everyone has the same attributes, or that compensation should be provided without regard to the value added. Forcing payment to a low value person (or under-compensation to a high-value source) can only be maintained by government control. And such government control is unnatural.

Collectivist systems do not equalize pay.  They simply create a permanent and desperate underclass to maintain the elites in power.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2016, 02:24:41 pm »
So where is the inequity in that?

I think he was talking about inequality, meaning results are different. Inequity implies injustice.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2016, 02:25:52 pm »
Collectivist systems do not equalize pay.

Like a Trumpian pledge, they promise to equalize pay. That's the hook.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2016, 03:33:01 pm »

Why haven't the past three generations of Americans known what America stands for?

The biggest reason is probably the influence of left-wing ideas....


One word answer! At least for the past 43 years, and that is abortion, yes a "left-wing idea"!

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America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships.

It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society.

It has portrayed the greatest of gifts—a child—as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered domination over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters.

And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign....

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America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. -Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta

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Re: The Scariest Reason Trump Won
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2016, 05:32:48 pm »
Collectivist systems do not equalize pay.  They simply create a permanent and desperate underclass to maintain the elites in power.
:th_10444:  Any reference to "equality" in our founding meant equality of treatment. Creating equal people is impossible for man to accomplish.  Ironically, the liberals think inequality of treatment can result in equality of man.  not so.