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Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« on: May 09, 2016, 12:59:44 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-no-debt-default-222957


Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money

By Nick Gass

05/09/16 08:18 AM EDT


Donald Trump assailed the media on Monday for what he said was a misrepresentation of his comments on debt, rejecting the notion that he would have the United States default on his debt.

"I said if we can buy back government debt as a discount. In other words, if interest rates go up and we can buy bonds back as a discount, if we are liquid enough as a country we should do that. In other words, we can buy back debt as a discount," the presumptive Republican nominee said in a telephone interview on CNN's "New Day."

Those who said he wants to buy debt and default on it are "crazy," he added.

"This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default. But the point is it was reported in the New York Times incorrectly," he said, referring to a critical Times article that ran on Friday.

That article examined an interview Trump gave to CNBC last Thursday in which he suggested that he could reduce the national debt by persuading U.S. creditors to accept less than full payment.

"It was reported in the failing New York Times and other places that I want to default on debt," Trump said. "You know, I’m the king of debt. I understand debt probably better than anybody. I know how to deal with debt very well. I love debt but you know, debt is tricky and it’s dangerous and you have to be careful and you have to know know what you're doing. If there's a chance to buy back debt as a discount, interest rates up and the bonds down and you can buy debt. That’s what I'm talking about."

No one would ever confuse business dealings with government practice, Trump suggested, remarking that the government would not ask creditors to buy back debt at a discount.

"In business, that happens all the time. I bought mortgages back when the market went bad, I bought mortgages back at tremendous discounts. And I love doing it. I mean, there’s nothing like it. Actually, it gives me a great thrill," he said. "But in the United States with bonds, that won't happen. Because you know, in theory the market doesn't go down so that you default on debt. And that’s what happened."

"So here’s the story, just to have it corrected. If we have an opportunity where interest rates go up and you can buy back debt as a discount," he explained. "I always like to do that, if you can do it. But that’s all I was talking about. They have it like I'm going to go back to creditors and I’m going to renegotiate restructured debt. It's ridiculous and they know it's ridiculous but they print it out wrong purposely."

Trump then called into Fox Business Network where he reiterated much of the same, calling it a "wonderful thing" if the U.S. government is able to buy back bonds at a discount.

"All I said is that if interest rates go up, we'll have a chance to buy back bonds at a discount, which is standard," he told Maria Bartiromo. "Certainly I'm not talking about renegotiating with creditors."


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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 01:15:04 pm »
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"You know, I’m the king of debt. I understand debt probably better than anybody. I know how to deal with debt very well. I love debt but you know, debt is tricky and it’s dangerous and you have to be careful and you have to know know what you're doing.

Big Brain Donald is at it again.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 01:35:53 pm »
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This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default.

No. Please, no. He did not just say that out loud.


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Trump: US cannot default, it prints money
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 01:37:55 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-no-debt-default-222957?cmpid=sf

In trying to walk-back his default talk he said this:

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"This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there’s never a default. But the point is it was reported in the New York Times incorrectly," he said, referring to a critical Times article that ran on Friday.

Many nations that printed money went into default.



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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 01:39:06 pm »
No. Please, no. He did not just say that out loud.


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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 01:39:25 pm »
O. M. G.

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 01:40:54 pm »
"All I said is that if interest rates go up, we'll have a chance to buy back bonds at a discount, which is standard," he told Maria Bartiromo. "Certainly I'm not talking about renegotiating with creditors."

LOL!  This is a perfect example of Trump saying one thing then denying the very thing he just said.

Donald. IT'S THE SAME THING!!!

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 01:41:17 pm »
I can't wait to hear his minions defend this as "genius."  **nononono*
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 01:45:12 pm »
Stephen Miller ‏@redsteeze  40m40 minutes ago
Stephen Miller Retweeted Connor Walsh

Trump economic policy basically Homer Simpson diving through living room window yelling who wants lottery tickets
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2016, 01:48:29 pm »
I can't wait to hear his minions defend this as "genius."  **nononono*

Oh they will.  The talking points are being feed to the Trump faithful as we speak.

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2016, 01:52:49 pm »
I can't wait to hear his minions defend this as "genius."  **nononono*

I don't know if I can stand that much comedy!  :smokin:
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 01:55:43 pm »
If printing money is all it takes, then why did Argentina default on a bunch of its bonds years ago; a default that just got cleared up?

And what assets will the US use to buy back its debt at a discount, other than more US government debt?  And how are we going to get this discount?  Debt is only discounted if holders do not want it, which means that for the US to buy its debt at a discount there must be some reason why investors feel that other sovereign debt is safer, which in turn means basically that the US economy has to be worse off than the rest of the world economy.  All of which implies that at bottom Trump's idea only works if he makes America even worse off than it is now; it certainly doesn't work if he makes America great again. 

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 01:58:23 pm »
His statements read like someone tutored him over the weekend. 

If this is actually what he meant, he should have said it.  Even if it is what he meant, one has to ask why this guy is such a rotten communicator and is having to "clarify" what he supposedly meant all the time!
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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2016, 01:58:34 pm »
If printing money is all it takes, then why did Argentina default on a bunch of its bonds years ago; a default that just got cleared up?

And what assets will the US use to buy back its debt at a discount, other than more US government debt?  And how are we going to get this discount?  Debt is only discounted if holders do not want it, which means that for the US to buy its debt at a discount there must be some reason why investors feel that other sovereign debt is safer, which in turn means basically that the US economy has to be worse off than the rest of the world economy.  All of which implies that at bottom Trump's idea only works if he makes America even worse off than it is now; it certainly doesn't work if he makes America great again.

What it means to me is that, once again, Trump has exposed his total economic illiteracy!
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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2016, 01:58:53 pm »
Building casinos and hotels with illegal labor apparently doesn't make one competent in economics, monetary policy and sovereign debt.
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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 01:59:16 pm »
O. M. G.

Is the shark FINALLY jumped?

I'mnow convinced that Donald Trump never ran his own empire. He's just the face of it. Because no one with a minimal understanding of Econ 101 would say something that asinine.

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 01:59:35 pm »
"All I said is that if interest rates go up, we'll have a chance to buy back bonds at a discount, which is standard," he told Maria Bartiromo. "Certainly I'm not talking about renegotiating with creditors."

That may be standard in business.  It's not standard in government.  If I have a T-Bond that will pay me X and Trump comes along and says he want's to buy it back at X-Y then if I say no his only option is to default.  That's what he's threatening.

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 02:02:31 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 02:04:28 pm »


And what assets will the US use to buy back its debt at a discount, other than more US government debt? 

Easy. After interest rates skyrocket and the value of the dollar enters a black hole, He;ll pass out cheese processing tools and make America grate again.

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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 02:08:41 pm »
That's a good one, Norm!!

So, it appears this is the General election Trump: Revisiting minimum wage, raising taxes, welcoming outside funding & embracing debt.

And that's in the first week.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 02:13:42 pm »
If Trump is elected, looks like I am buying stock in wheelbarrow companies....


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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 02:17:36 pm »
If Trump is elected, looks like I am buying stock in wheelbarrow companies....



Not me! I'm buying a printing press!

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Re: Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 02:19:40 pm »
That's a good one, Norm!!

So, it appears this is the General election Trump: Revisiting minimum wage, raising taxes, welcoming outside funding & embracing debt.

And that's in the first week.

I imagine he's just beginning his obamalike rein of error. Off to a 'grate' start though.

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 02:20:19 pm »
Enjoy the reaction!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3428880/posts

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien