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Yeah........... a distant cousin who shows up at his first family reunion and starts cussing everybody out, calling them names, and spitting in their beer.

Not MY idea of "family."   Just clueless and mean.

Said she deserved a heartfelt apology.

But more than a dressing down from contemporaries?  No.

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:bsflag:  The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.

Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet  comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?

Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected.  My Hope is we never have to find out.

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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet  comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?

Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected.  My Hope is we never have to find out.

What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.

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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet  comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says". Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?

Sorry, it just requires too much Hope to buy in on the things Trump pushes in the campaign, not to mention how much Hope is going to be needed if he were to actually get elected.  My Hope is we never have to find out.

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Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap.   Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints.   I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.

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Happened to catch Hannity talking about Trump's "Foreign Policy" speech yesterday and his Trumpet  comment was "I sure hope he does all the things he says".

Oh, please.  That can be said of any candidate for any position.   **nononono*

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Hope? Like Hope and Change........ didn't we just suffer though that presumption and which is what brought us here ?

So what's Cruz trying to sell?  More of the same job killing economic globalism?  Porous US Borders?  To keep paying for an ineffective NATO and the security needs of our wealthy friends around the world?    Oh wait .... scratch this.  Never mind.



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Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?

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edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.
Yes, by all means defy "Godwin's Law"! If the comparison has no merit, let it fail.<p>
Presuming someone has lost an argument for drawing direct comparisons to the (arguably) worst 'administration' in Western History is only a subtle form of political correctness that subverts the concept of learning from history. If that history cannot be discussed, it cannot be learned from, and it will eventually be repeated.
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You know, our Yankee posters may find that definition a bit confusing, so could you clear something up now, before it comes up?

So, if you're let's say from Georgia, and you say "y'all a fool", that would be an individual insult and not a group insult, right?

Maybe I can answer my own question by reminding that "all y'all" seems to be a broader sort of group, than "y'all".

You is singular=youse
Y'all is plural=youse guys

While that invites grammatical correction, I think it gets the point across
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.
Indictment, conviction, incarceration, would be nice.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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You is singular=youse
Y'all is plural=youse guys

While that invites grammatical correction, I think it gets the point across

Thank you!
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What's it going to take to keep Hillary from the White House? It requires too much hope to expect Cruzandwich to stop her.

 :bsflag: Trump does worse in all polls v. Hillary than the other candidates.
The Republic is lost.

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:bsflag: Trump does worse in all polls v. Hillary than the other candidates.

You keep on believing! :mauslaff:

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It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"

I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him  from time to time and have a little more skepticism.

It's the idolatry that I find unnerving.  Reminds me too much of the 0bamabots.
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It was Trump himself that used the term "poorly educated"

I don't think Trump supporters are stupid. And I cringed when Cruz hinted that a while back. I just wish more of them could be critical of him  from time to time and have a little more skepticism.

THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE,  AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:


LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument.  I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:

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Donald Trump was very excited in his Nevada victory speech tonight about winning with almost every group.

He said, “We won with highly-educated, we won with poorly educated! I love the poorly educated! We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people.”

poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.

I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at  times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.

LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.

It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.

You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP

I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.

I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.

Call me what you want, but I believe him.  He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power.  That is a mem put out by his detractors. 

He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.

Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.

You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.

I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.

Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.

You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.

There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.

We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.

I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
 but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.

I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.

All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.

What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.

We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.

I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:

 This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.

We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other.  :grouphug:
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You're right -- Trump isn't a mass murdering dictator.  But, there is a commonality that people who advance sketchy ideas (or even those based more on emotion than ordered thought) prefer to silence the voices of those who may challenge them.  If you don't want to hear the objections, you silence those most likely to object.  It's what's happening at FR right now.  And ridiculing education -- which is often expressed in the form of shutting up "slimy lawyers", etc., is one way to accomplish that.

Indeed, of course, when Hindenburg asked Hitler to form a minority government, Hitler wasn't a mass murdering dictator either, just a purveyor of sketchy ideas based on emotion rather than ordered thought.  This summer may see an even stronger analogy between America and Weimar Germany if the Trumpists take to the streets, in which case we'll have left-right street battles between them and the BLM types analogous to the Nazi-Communist street battles in 1920's, early 1930's Germany.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Ah, I see you found your way here, too.  Were you banned at FR, or did you just leave in disgust?  I still have an account there, but am disinclined to give JimRob any hits at least until (1) Trump fails to win the nomination, (2) Trump loses the general, or (3) God-forbid he's elected, Trump has implemented enough policies that fly in the face of what FR purports to stand for that it seems likely to see lots of crow-eating over ther.

Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?

Depends what you mean by "Godwin's Law".  The shoddy version that claims all argumentum ad Hitlerum is invalid, regardless of how strong the analogy between some present circumstance and those surrounding the rise of Naziism and Nazi rule in Germany, so that no , deserves to be 'defied' when the lessons that should be learned from the history of that period are applicable.  On the other hand, the original "Godwin's Law" was the empirical observation that as the length of a usenet discussion thread (now generalized to discussions in any online forum) increased, the probability that Hitler would mentioned asymptotically approached 1, in which case this thread seems to confirm, rather than defy Godwin's Law.
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE,  AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:


LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument.  I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:

poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.

I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at  times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.

LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.

It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.

You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP

I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.

I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.

Call me what you want, but I believe him.  He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power.  That is a mem put out by his detractors. 

He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.

Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.

You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.

I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.

Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.

You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.

There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.

We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.

I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
 but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.

I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.

All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.

What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.

We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.

I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:

 This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.

We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other.  :grouphug:

 goopo :thumbsup:


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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE,  AS IT DOES AT FR :beer:


LET'S make sure we get the quote correct, it works best when using it as an argument.  I realize you did acknowledge, you didnt think Trump supporters were stupid, but we need to get the quote in context for everyone else, that seems to forget that part. :patriot:

poor choice of words, but since Trump is not a polished politician, he does make faux pas, but his heart is in the right place.

I had rather him say that verses a politician, using double speak and we have to wonder what he means.
Yes he does reverse himself, at  times, because his mouth, like a lot of us, runs before his brain thinks.
That is what makes him real and not a politician.

LIke it or not, he is honest in what he says. I am at the point myself that it is refreshing to hear someone tell it like it is, even if it is politically incorrect.

It doesn't matter to Trump supporters, what he did in business, because, any of the politicians, have done much worse to move up the ladder. That includes ALL OF THEM.

You can't paint us all with a small brush, because we are a very diverse group, and we are not all conservatives, republicans, democrats or libertarians, but just regular people.
When a candidate, says they will get the fraud out of govt spending, and cut out the fat, from the most egregious parts of govt, that resonates for a larger group of people than the GOP

I am a conservative, but I am not looking for a preacher! I am looking for someone that will get down and dirty with our enemies and kick their asses.

I have watched Trump for many years, and since he was a younger business man, he has said, he could fix this country.

Call me what you want, but I believe him.  He has been right over the years on everything that has gone wrong, before it happened.
He is a rare creature.
He is not a liberal. He is a Capitalist, which in itself, nullifies him being a liberal.
He passionately wants us to be the greatest country in the world again.
He doesnt need to do this.
He could live the rest of his life, rich and happy, while our country turns into a socialist haven for more, nefarious politicians lining their pockets with our money.
YOu need to think a minute... He is not wanting absolute power.  That is a mem put out by his detractors. 

He is not the establishment. The establishment are the ones that make money off the lobbyists that greased palms.

Trump has already told us, that he played the game as did others , but he knows it has caused us, along with Obama, Bush and Clinton to be in the shape we are in now.
He never said, he didnt profit from all these regimes. He told us all what was going on.

You can think of him what you want, but I can see a basically good person, that really wants to help us establish,our place on top again.

I dont dislike Ted Cruz, but I dont think he can do it.

Trump knows how to play the game to get what he/we want.
While Ted is a noble man,
He still thinks, it is all about his honorable, ideas. I commend him for that.

You can disagree with me, and I have no problem with that. Everyone has an opinion.
I am only telling you what I know the trump supporters want.

There is no need and telling us what terrible things he did 25 years ago, no one cares.

We know that right now, he is serious about saving our country.
He has an awesome family, and they would not go down a path, to ruin, if he was what the old media, say he is.
These are great kids, and know their dad is special.
Whether or not he was an ogre, in the past, he is not that person now.

I know most of you won't agree, and that is fine,
 but we all need to get together to beat Hillary.

I will do my part if Ted, does prevail, and I will work hard for him.
But I would prefer, he and Trump make up and run together, but sadly I think that ship sailed.

All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.

What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is tota.lly acceptable to us.

We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.

I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:

 This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.

We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other.  :grouphug:

No offense but I think your post is a good example of why Trump supporters tend to be so fanatical and unwilling to objectively evaluate Trump on policy.

You project your hopes onto Trump.  Therefore any disagreement is taken as an attack on your hopes and dreams.

Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades.  He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal.   You are he can't be liberal because he's a capitalist, balderdash.   That is a completely nonsensical position.   John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and every other liberal has a long list of business interests.  Many of which have involved Trump over the years.

Trump hasn't been a politician until recently.  That is to say he hasn't run for office.  He admits to donoting to politicians to game the system.  A perfect example of crony capitalism. 

Trump hasn't been a politician but he has a long history of rubbing shoulders with them.  Many of them the worst kind, like Jesse Ventura.   He has spoken about running for President for years which refutes your assumption he's doing this for the good of the country.   

Power corrupts and the office of President offers a lot of power.  A seductive goal for a man "who has everything".  Trump is doing this for Trump.
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No offense but I think your post is a good example of why Trump supporters tend to be so fanatical and unwilling to objectively evaluate Trump on policy.

You project your hopes onto Trump.  Therefore any disagreement is taken as an attack on your hopes and dreams.

Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades.  He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal.   You are he can't be liberal because he's a capitalist, balderdash.   That is a completely nonsensical position.   John Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and every other liberal has a long list of business interests.  Many of which have involved Trump over the years.

Trump hasn't been a politician until recently.  That is to say he hasn't run for office.  He admits to donoting to politicians to game the system.  A perfect example of crony capitalism. 

Trump hasn't been a politician but he has a long history of rubbing shoulders with them.  Many of them the worst kind, like Jesse Ventura.   He has spoken about running for President for years which refutes your assumption he's doing this for the good of the country.   

Power corrupts and the office of President offers a lot of power.  A seductive goal for a man "who has everything".  Trump is doing this for Trump.

my post was not for argument.
All democrats are not liberal. Trump was not a lifelong liberal. That mem is is getting old,
I am not going to argue my post. It stands as is.
I have worked a lot of campaigns over the years on a local level for congress. I an not an emotional supporter. I know what trump is. As are most all trump supporters.
We are not cultists.
If we were, would not have all voted on the poll to support cruz if he were our nominee
However the same cant be said for the trump poll and the not trump supporters.
Now who is the cult?
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THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF TBR, ONLY MY PERSONAL ONE, THAT DOES NOT INFLUENCE THIS SITE,  AS IT DOES AT FR

All the Trump supporters here will vote for Cruz, because we care about the republic, and supreme court first.

What the rest of you do, us up to you and your conscience and that is totally acceptable to us.

We are all AMERICANS wanting the best for our country, we just have a different idea on how to do it. But we are all still on the same side.

I said all this to explain how we feel, but to also let everyone understand that we can all work together, after the primary for the greater good of the country, regardless of the outcome. :patriot:

 This post is not meant to be debated, only to express the reason why.

We are all in this together, whether some of you believe it or not, and I do hope we can all stay friends, and realize the dems are the problems, not each other.  :grouphug:

I appreciate your courtesy and insight.

At this point, however, the train of reconciliation has left the station.  I'll have to admit that the FreeRepublic Trumpkins have hardened my stance against Trump into granite.   I simply don't want to be in any kind of "fellowship" with such people.   We may both hate the manipulation of the GOP-e, the support of GOP Senate Republicans AGAINST conservative Republican ideas and the party's very own policy planks.  That's been happening all my life.  Jumping Jim Jeffords, Boehner, the RINO's who have stood against conservative USSC nominees - it drives me into truly irrational levels of anger.  If the phrase "Taxation without Representation" was ever a fighting term, I feel that at age 60, I've been "unrepresented" in US Government (as well as state, local) my entire life.   I've been "ruled", not governed, and I'm sick of it.

Yes, we may both hate some of the same things, but I am not Trump.  No part of my soul is Trump.  I have viscerally hated bullies my entire life, as I grew up bullied in my primary and junior high school years.  Until I dealt with FR's Trumpkins, I intended to vote for my guy, hope for the best, and support the nominee in November.  However, I won't join with those kind of people - TRUMP's kind of people.   It's a principled opposition that has morphed into the personal.   I have tried, but I truly cannot envision a set of circumstances which would allow me to reconcile with Trump supporters, should Trump win the nomination.   

So, Hillary Clinton will be bad?  Really?  Well, what about Obama, for two terms?  What about Bill Clinton?   Do you realize that my kids never knew Reagan.  They have lived 16 of their 28 years, and the last 16 of their last 24, under corrupt Democrat progressives.  They are even more cynical and resigned than I am.  We've all written off this country's future, and most that now, is Trump.   We're doing what we can to survive, not apprehensive of the future, but ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN it'll mean war, starvation, persecution, and absolute, total disaster for this country.   We have survived Obama and W.J. Clinton, we can probably survive H. Clinton, too.

So, reconcile with Trumpkins?  Vote for Trump?   Can't do that now, and I won't be disenfranchised, either.  If I can't vote for Trump, and I really can't, I'll vote for the best opportunity to hurt him.   I don't want to be this way, but at this point, I am about at the "just burn it all down" stage.   I'll prep, I'll store ammo, I'll observe, and I'll wait.  There's a good chance that I'll be another Finicum before I die a natural death, because criminal acts are no longer a prerequisite to becoming a criminal in post-Constitutional America.

Again, I wish you well, and know that you mean well.   It's just not me. 

If America can vote for Obama twice, and vote for Trump in 2016, then Americans' have no moral principles left that are worth anything, and the country deserves it's fate.  I don't want it, but I can't stop it.  If I'm called to honor my oath, I will, but only to a Constitutional Republic, not to a Tyrant in the White House, or 535 little tyrants in Congress, either.

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Trump is certainly a liberal and has been for decades.  He's made a multitude of decisions, statements, and life choices which are liberal.


Trump has contributed nearly a half million dollars to the Republican party in the last decade. Is that liberal? How much have Cruz and Kasich contributed? (Both on the government payroll)

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Trump has contributed nearly a half million dollars to the Republican party in the last decade. Is that liberal? How much have Cruz and Kasich contributed? (Both on the government payroll)

He's given even more to democrats.   Neither of which is really a factor.   He's a liberal because he has supported liberal causes for decades.  Only recently has he started adopting some conservative positions. 
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He's given even more to democrats.  .

Source??????