“A Republic, if you can keep it.” Donald Trump and the Tyranny of the Mob…

[Lando Lincoln]

"The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Socialist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord.  These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."

What do you folks think of this Ted Cruz quote?

I am not a Cruz guy but you know, and I know who said that - and it wasn't Cruz.

[Lando Lincoln]

That's despicable.

[Lando Lincoln]

Well, quoting Hitler and attributing it to Cruz is definitely character assassination.......

It's also disgustingly dishonest.

And stupid.

Agreed. It is reprehensible. And the little guy rolling around is damn near as bad.

[A-Lert]

No, I have never seen it.  If you can find anywhere that anybody has taken a quote from someone else and put Trumps name to it show me.

You stated; "I think that could be pretty serious actually.  Especially on a public forum where you are misrepresenting someone, in this case a candidate for POTUS." 

You've never seen a misrepresentation of Trump on this forum? Really?

[Smokin Joe]

Pol Pot went after the educated as well.

Every totalitarian regime has done the same. During Tet, 3000 Vietnamese were killed in Hue, many were doctors, teachers, and intellectuals. They are the first ones rounded up. It pays to be able to blend in with the working class wherever you are.

[Mesaclone]

The part where you have no clue as to what being a Christian means.

Hitler was never a Christian.  His parents may have been Catholic when they had him baptized, but he NEVER was a Christian.

That is a leftist lie intended to besmirch Christianity.

But I highly suspect you know that and only said it to cause trouble.

Now you may feel free to "make up" anything you want about me.  People here have your number......

A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.

And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.

As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.

[Mesaclone]

Well, quoting Hitler and attributing it to Cruz is definitely character assassination.......

It's also disgustingly dishonest.

And stupid.

Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.

Which is the point!

[A-Lert]

A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.

And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.

As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.

 

[driftdiver]

A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.

And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.

As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.

Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian.  Accepting Jesus as the Son of God.  Who died for our sins and who is our savior is what makes a person a Christian.

[driftdiver]

Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.

Which is the point!

I did not compare Trump to Pol Pot.   I compared the techniques being to used.   Its the same technique used to overthrow governments around the world.   

[musiclady]

Yes, just like comparing Trump to Pol Pot. But you were OK with that.

Which is the point!

And you are just making up out of whole cloth that I was "OK" with anything.

[Mod1]

Settle down, folks. It's okay to criticize the candidates, so let's keep it at that.

[musiclady]

A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.

And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.

As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.

You're pathetically predictable. 

But I've heard all your anti-Christian regurgitated arguments before.  They may make you feel better........even smart........ but they don't make your point, and you lose the argument on facts.

Hitler was not a Christian, and you know it as well as anyone else.

[musiclady]

Arguing that Hitler was a Christian is a very sad and desperate argument against Ted Cruz. 

[don-o]

  The only things I'm ashamed of are the self-professed, holier-than-thou, Christians who denigrate me because I'm not anti-Trump, a candidate who wants to make America great again, secure her borders, balance the budget, get fair trade deals and get this country out of debt.

I can understand how a perception of moral superiority is very much off-putting. I think that perception arises, in part, from dashing off one liners, in the heat of a moment. I will continue to strive for a reasoned approach, and try to support my opinions with some logic and references to history.

Ones beliefs, opinions and even biases are always operating within our minds. The trick is to not deny that they exist, but to try to understand how they influence our oun thought process, and adjust accordingly.

[don-o]

Or...alternately. He understands that he is the ONLY one effectively voicing the anger and frustration his supporters feel over the corruption and failure that riddle both our party and our government. As such, he knows he has the loyalty of those supporters.

Voicing the anger is not at all a difficult skill to master. And it gets results.  Of course, since the Rise of the Bushes, we have been burned over and over, and anger is not unexpected. But guiding the Ship of State requires more than anger.

Some believe that Trump's business experience qualifies him. I find that assertion suspect. In business, when one deal fails, there's always another deal with new players. In government, he cannot walk away, because the people he has to deal with are not going anywhere.

[don-o]

Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?

 

edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.

[geronl]

You changed my words while retaining them in quotes under my attribution.  That's dishonest.

The anti-Trump movement has the best gravy!

[DCPatriot]

Wow! After I posted to what looked like an interesting thread, ol' Adolph gets dragged in. So...we defy Godwin's Law here?

 

edit: Really like being able to fix my typos.

Quote from: Jazzhead on April 27, 2016, 02:36:33 PM

    Trump supporters should be ashamed of themselves, for selling their souls on the cheap.   Trump will make Obama look like a piker in his disregard of Constitutional constraints.   I will continue to fight against Trump's fascism, and the good Germans who enable him.

don-o.....the above is the type of nonsense and baiting that we Trump supporters face everyday.   Not whining.

Just providing an example as proof.

When the subject is Trump...Godwin's Law is ignored, I guess.   

[musiclady]

I agree, that's pretty sad.  I really hope those who fled FR to get away from the name-calling and put-downs don't end up doing the same here.  I might not like Trump, but that doesn't mean that every person who supports him deserves to be insulted with those kind of ad hominem broadsides.

The worst Hitler analogy on this thread was anti-Cruz, not anti-Trump.  (The unethical false quote).

The message needs to be heeded by BOTH sides.

[Millee]

Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian.  Accepting Jesus as the Son of God.  Who died for our sins and who is our savior is what makes a person a Christian.

100% this. 

[musiclady]

Agreed.  We owe it to the people who welcomed us here to behave better than those who destroyed FR.

Also, a reminder to our new ex-TOS friends.....

This is a very lightly modded forum.  The owners and mods have requested that if we see something unacceptable, that we report the post.

They usually don't have to keep a really close eye on us because the vast majority of posters here are polite, even if they are pugnacious.  But if something goes awry (as it sometimes does), they need to be made aware of it, so it can be stopped.

[Right_in_Virginia]

A boy who is baptized, raised, confirmed and is an active participant in his local church...is a Christian. You may not want him to be, but he was. Later in life he became something else, but that IS what he was. That's not a Leftist view, nor a rightest, its simply the facts of his life.

And I love Christians who do the "you don't know anything about being a Christian" thing. Right up there with the Pharisees or the Inquisition on that one...defining who is and is not understanding of Christianity.

As Gandhi once said,
“I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ….to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

You are demonstrating the very thing Gandhi spoke of.

A most excellent post, sir.  I am very glad you're here. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's despicable.

Your post wasn't to anyone in particular ... so, what's "despicable"?

Thanks.

[sinkspur]

Your post wasn't to anyone in particular ... so, what's "despicable"?

Thanks.

Mesaclone's attribution of a Hitler quote to Cruz.  It WAS despicable.

And your new friend is also wrong about Hitler's Christianity.  Saying that, because a teenager is Christian means that person is a Christian, is dopey. Most teens do what their parents do, and Hitler got away from Christianity the minute he could.