Franklin Graham Asks FIERY Question About Islam… Follows Up with Chilling Answer

[rangerrebew]

Franklin Graham Asks FIERY Question About Islam… Follows Up with Chilling Answer

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Franklin Graham just asked a tough question about Islam, and followed it up with a tough answer. If you want to know the answer to his question, look no further than the Quran itself. Check this out…

    Evangelist Franklin Graham published a fiery rhetorical question about Islam on his Facebook page on Thursday — then promptly offered up an equally controversial response.

    “Why does Islam hate so much?” he wrote. “It’s because the Quran teaches its followers to hate.”

    And Graham wasn’t done there. The faith leader, who is the son of the Rev. Billy Graham and CEO of Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, went on to say that “Jews, Christians and others are to be subdued so that Islam may ‘prevail over all religions.’”

[Sanguine]

Yes, it's an integral and very compelling part of Islam.  Creating and focusing that hatred is extremely powerful.

[sinkspur]

Franklin Graham should be ashamed of himself.  His father would never take out after Islam like this, just as his father would never embrace the most idiotic notions about gay people (gay people choose to be gay).

He's not even worth standing in the shadow of Billy Graham.  He's a parody.

[alicewonders]

Graham is correct.  When you realize that, then you realize there is nothing we can do to change that kind of mindset.  It is a core belief and very rarely will be changed.

So, what do we do with the people and their enablers that will not or can not "coexist" in a civilized society? 

The only solution I can come up with is to isolate them - away from civilized societies where they cannot impose their zealous and murderous beliefs on those of us that do not live by the hate-filled concepts in their holy book.

The last thing we should do is invite them to come and rip at the fabric of our society.  We have enough problems keeping it whole as it is.  To invite invaders is pure suicide. 

Leaders that are responsible for bringing this upon their countries should be taken out of office and severe consequences should fall upon them. 

[sinkspur]

Graham is correct.  When you realize that, then you realize there is nothing we can do to change that kind of mindset.  It is a core belief and very rarely will be changed.

So, what do we do with the people and their enablers that will not or can not "coexist" in a civilized society? 

The only solution I can come up with is to isolate them - away from civilized societies where they cannot impose their zealous and murderous beliefs on those of us that do not live by the hate-filled concepts in their holy book.

The last thing we should do is invite them to come and rip at the fabric of our society.  We have enough problems keeping it whole as it is.  To invite invaders is pure suicide. 

Leaders that are responsible for bringing this upon their countries should be taken out of office and severe consequences should fall upon them.

Fear-mongering and inspiring hate against innocent people is not what a Christian leader does. 

Graham is doing the very thing radical imams do when they whip up anger against "the infidel":  appealing to the basest instincts of their people, tribalism at its worst.

[mountaineer]

Here's what he posted on Facebook:

Why does Islam hate so much? It’s because the Quran teaches its followers to hate. Jews, Christians and others are to be subdued so that Islam may “prevail over all religions.” Read what a former Muslim has to say about it in USA TODAY. It’s all in the final chapter of the Quran—“Kill or be killed in battle, and paradise awaits.”

What did he say that wasn't accurate?

[sinkspur]

Here's what he posted on Facebook:What did he say that wasn't accurate?

Why is Franklin Graham picking a fight with Islam during Holy Week?

Got to keep those cards and letters coming........

[Bill Cipher]

What about turning the other cheek and stuff?  Or was that just rot for the masses too?

[mountaineer]

You might say that what just happened in Brussels was "picking a fight" ...   

[Bill Cipher]

There is no collective cheek.  To turn the other cheek is about a personal offense that you let go.  You cannot deny justice or defense to the masses in the name of turning the other cheek.   People misuse that, just not nearly as much as they misuse things like "judge not."

So inflaming the "collective" is something Jesus would do?

[sinkspur]

He is not picking a fight or he would be saying it to a bunch of Muslims just to inflame them.    I believe it is more accurate to say that radical Muslims have been doing lots and lots of fight picking and responses like Franklin Grahams are merely words trying to explain it.

You don't think this inflames Muslims?  Franklin Graham is stirring the pot, rather than attempting to reach out peaceful Muslims.  We know he hates Islam, just as he hates gays.

As I said upthread, his dad must be very embarrassed by his antics.

[mountaineer]

We know he hates Islam, just as he hates gays.

We don't know that. You certainly have inferred it, however.

[Bill Cipher]

I don't think he is inflaming anyone.  The Brussels attackers did that. 

Jesus wasn't a squish.  When he said "You brood of vipers..." there probably was someone in the crowd claiming he was inflaming people.

Yes, he is inflaming.  Being a lemming is not an excuse.

[sinkspur]

We don't know that. You certainly have inferred it, however.

I've read enough of Franklin Graham to know where he stands. 

One thing he doesn't do is stand on the same leadership level as his father.

[Bill Cipher]

He doesn't hate Muslims or gays.  Does an oncologist hate a patient when he tells him he has stage 4 cancer?  It's like that.

Does an oncologist hate cancer?  Yes.
Does a preacher hate sin, including religious error?  I would hope so.
But the oncologist tries to save his patient from the cancer and a preacher tries to point the way to salvation from sin.

Were he an oncologist, he'd be on trial for criminal malpractice.

[sinkspur]

He doesn't hate Muslims or gays.  Does an oncologist hate a patient when he tells him he has stage 4 cancer?  It's like that.

Does an oncologist hate cancer?  Yes.
Does a preacher hate sin, including religious error?  I would hope so.
But the oncologist tries to save his patient from the cancer and a preacher tries to point the way to salvation from sin.

Yes. I'm always ready to trust in a salvation that is constantly condemning me.

Jesus NEVER condemned sinners.  He did condemn religious leaders who thought they were righteous. 

[Bill Cipher]

Truth is inflaming?  Or do you think he lied?

BTW, for the record, we are talking about a group of people who make being inflamed their life's mission.  Or so it appears to most of us. 

If a study could be done to test their inflamedness, I bet you would see that they were just as inflamed before Franklin spoke as after.

Smearing an entire religion with the sins of a small minority is not telling the truth.

[Bill Cipher]

He did not smear them.  The radicals among them have smeared them.  As for the rest, what do you think Christians believe about other religious?  The orthodox ones think all other religions are false and will ultimately lead their adherents to eternal torment.  Many "inflamers" criticize the Christian Bible for that teaching. (Note it is not an instruction for Christians to do the killing but rather a statement about GOD's Final Judgement and how to escape it.)  Do you go around insulting inflamers who criticize Christians about that, or maybe about a literal 6 day creation, etc.?  No.  Know why?  Because Christians are not in the news slaughtering innocent people because they are "infidels."

Muslims can adhere to a Quran that includes verses such as mentioned by Franklin Graham.  Franklin Graham can preach about how he thinks it is horribly wrong, bad, and even evil.  What none of them can do is go out and murder people.

He smeared them.

[Bill Cipher]

He didn't.

He did.


We can do this all day.

[Bill Cipher]

He didn't.   If what he said is untrue, let them prove it.

He did.  Your turn.

[sinkspur]

He did not smear them.  The radicals among them have smeared them.  As for the rest, what do you think Christians believe about other religious? The orthodox ones think all other religions are false and will ultimately lead their adherents to eternal torment. Many "inflamers" criticize the Christian Bible for that teaching. (Note it is not an instruction for Christians to do the killing but rather a statement about GOD's Final Judgement and how to escape it.)  Do you go around insulting inflamers who criticize Christians about that, or maybe about a literal 6 day creation, etc.?  No.  Know why?  Because Christians are not in the news slaughtering innocent people because they are "infidels."

Muslims can adhere to a Quran that includes verses such as mentioned by Franklin Graham.  Franklin Graham can preach about how he thinks it is horribly wrong, bad, and even evil.  What none of them can do is go out and murder people.

Not true. Catholicism does not believe this. In fact, Catholicism teaches that all those who seek God with a sincere heart can be saved and are saved by the mercy of God.  Catholicism teaches the fullness of truth, but all denominations of Christianity and other faiths possess facets of truth that lead their followers to God.

Some Christians do believe that God condemns to hell those who don't profess a particular creed.  That's just as bad as radical Islamics who kill in the name of God.   Both have a very distorted view of who God really is.

[Sanguine]

So inflaming the "collective" is something Jesus would do?

Actually, that IS something that Jesus did.

[Sanguine]

Smearing an entire religion with the sins of a small minority is not telling the truth.

It's not a religion, Bill.  Nor is it a race, nor any of the other things that we like to pride ourselves on thinking that we have gotten past being bigoted about.

Islam is a theocratic political ideology.  It dictates even the tiniest aspects of life such as diet, how to wash, how to relate to others, the form of government, etc.  It discourages even a tiniest bit of independent thought or social progress.  It is antithetical to a republican form of government, indeed any form of government other than sharia.  It is an ideology that dictates that the follower, in order to be a true muslim, must participate in the subjugation of anyone who is not an adult muslim male. It dicates that those who are not muslim are inferior to muslims. It encourages and even demands violence against innocents. 

Now, does that mean we should act as they do and actively participate in genocide and subjugation?  No. Of course not.  Luckily our belief systems do not demand that of us.

[sinkspur]

Excerpt:  But that denies what Christ Himself said about hell: that it is a realm of “outer darkness” filled with “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12, 22:13). It’s a “furnace” (Matthew 13:42, 50) of unquenchable fires (Mark 9:48-49). It’s the endless torment (Luke 16:23-24) of spiritual and bodily destruction (Matthew 8:12).

My last word on this:  These scripture passages do not mean what you think they mean, but that's the difference between us.  I don't accept a literal interpretation of Scripture, nor do most of the non-evangelical denominations.

[musiclady]

Exactly.  And for those who want Franklin's timing explained, that would do it.

It certainly would.

It is truthful words in response to hateful actions.