The GOP Is Finally Debating Bush-Era Failures

[sneakypete]

Don't forget the "true conservatives" that ridiculed Colin Powell, when his warning "you break it you own it" was cited.

How true but the GOP is continually discarding their own people.

YIKES! You still think Colin Powell is a conservative????????

[HonestJohn]

" Everything that was suppressed has been exposed, everything that went unsaid is being shouted aloud—and all before a jeering live audience, as angry itself as any of the angry men on the platform."

Yup. Trump,regardless of his intentions,has done the nation a service by daring to challenge the PC assumptions that had been allowed to pass as facts because the left had used the tool of "ism" (racism,sexism,etc,etc,etc) to silence conservatives from pointing out the truth about leftism. Trump spoke out and wasn't even struck by lightening! Not only that,but the more he spoke out in a non-PC manner,the higher his ratings went despite him never having an actual plan to solve any of our national problems.

IF America is lucky enough to survive long enough to have another actual election,maybe the kid gloves will be off by then,and a new Barry Goldwater will emerge?

How ironic is it that Goldwater was a Jew,and was attacked by many,many Jews in ways that would lead to screams of "Anti-Semitism" if pulled on a Jew running for office today?

Barry Goldwater was Episcopalian.

By what standard are you claiming him Jewish?

[sneakypete]

Barry Goldwater was Episcopalian.

By what standard are you claiming him Jewish?

I read a write up about him many years ago that said he was Jewish.

Personally,I don't care if his people originally came from Mars. I cared about his character and his ideas.

[aligncare]

Ok,to start with ALL of us did NOT cheer that idiotic decision. SOME of us were content to let the Sunnis and the Shites kill each other off,and saw no need to remove Hussein  from the equation. After all,he and Iraq were responsible for killing more fundie Muslims that EVERY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD.

Only idiots or someone with a private agenda that would benefit from getting the US involved in a war that was none of our business could possibly think upsetting the status quo was a good idea.

As for a Marshall Plan,HTH do you think that was even possible? The Marshall Plan was to restore the industrial and civil societies of civilized countries.  To do that you have to HAVE a history of civilization and industrial might. How anybody can think we can civilize a region where it is acceptable to rape both male and female children overnight and recreate something that never existed there in the first place is a mystery to me.

These people are NOT Americans or Europeans that dress and talk funny,and have practically nothing in common with either Europe or the US. Not only that,but they are convinced their ways are the best.

Good post. Took me awhile, but I finally arrived at the same pov.

On Monday, Jeb Bush held a rally in North Charleston, SC with George W Bush, Laura Bush and Lindsey Graham, and drew 3,000 attendees.

Meanwhile at a rally in upstate Greenville SC on Monday, Donald Trump alone drew 6000 and still many were turned away.

People are drawn to a winner.

[sinkspur]

Good post. Took me awhile, but I finally arrived at the same pov.

On Monday, Jeb Bush held a rally in North Charleston, SC with George W Bush, Laura Bush and Lindsey Graham, and drew 3,000 attendees.

Meanwhile at a rally in upstate Greenville SC on Monday, Donald Trump alone drew 6000 and still many were turned away.

People are drawn to a winner.

A certain group of people will be drawn to a demagogue who promises to make their lives all better and who will go after THEM.  This is a classic scenario that has happened throughout history.

The outcome is rarely positive.

[sneakypete]

Good post. Took me awhile, but I finally arrived at the same pov.

On Monday, Jeb Bush held a rally in North Charleston, SC with George W Bush, Laura Bush and Lindsey Graham, and drew 3,000 attendees.

Meanwhile at a rally in upstate Greenville SC on Monday, Donald Trump alone drew 6000 and still many were turned away.

People are drawn to a winner.

More often that we like the truth is very uncomfortable and inconvenient,but it is always the truth,and we need to learn how to adjust to and deal with it.

I didn't know that about the Bush rally in Greenville,SC. That had to have been a huge shock for the GOP elites. Not to mention scary.

[katzenjammer]

More often that we like the truth is very uncomfortable and inconvenient,but it is always the truth,and we need to learn how to adjust to and deal with it.

I didn't know that about the Bush rally in Greenville,SC. That had to have been a huge shock for the GOP elites. Not to mention scary.

Amen on that bolded part above!

As an aside, the Bloomberg boys were at the Bush Brothers rally and they said that they talked to a fair amount of attendees.  They indicated that more than a few said that they were there to see GWB speak but would be voting for Cruz or Trump on Saturday.  (Just an anecdotal report.)

[sinkspur]

Amen on that bolded part above!

As an aside, the Bloomberg boys were at the Bush Brothers rally and they said that they talked to a fair amount of attendees.  They indicated that more than a few said that they were there to see GWB speak but would be voting for Cruz or Trump on Saturday.  (Just an anecdotal report.)

Uh-huh. 

[sneakypete]

As an aside, the Bloomberg boys were at the Bush Brothers rally and they said that they talked to a fair amount of attendees.  They indicated that more than a few said that they were there to see GWB speak but would be voting for Cruz or Trump on Saturday.  (Just an anecdotal report.)

I don't doubt it. Boy Jorge is a very likable man,and even though he was a lousy president for the most part,I will always believe he meant well and did the best he could do given his limited understanding of the issues and how he was handled by the family and their advisers.

No way in hell do I ever want to see him back in office,but if I got close to him I'd want to shake his  hand and wish him well. Good human,lousy president.

Compare him to Clinton and Obomber. Both lousy presidents,and lousy humans. I wouldn't call a ambulance for either if there laying dying in the streets.

[DCPatriot]

Obama felt it necessary to cite Donald Trump several times today.

"I continue to believe that Donald Trump will not be President." 

The Dems are frantically looking for Kryptonite.

[sneakypete]

Obama felt it necessary to cite Donald Trump several times today.

"I continue to believe that Donald Trump will not be President." 

The Dems are frantically looking for Kryptonite.

I think that has more to do with them being stuck between Bubbette! and a hard (actual socialist) place. Nobody really wants or trusts Bubette! or Bubba,but Sanders is their worse nightmare come true,an actual Socialist. The Dims have been enslaving voters for 40+ years now by pretending to be socialists that would give everybody everything they wanted,but always had someone in the top slot that could claim he was doing "all he could do to give everybody everyting,but those mean old Republicans were preventing it".

If Bubbette wins they have to do with her again,and if Bernie wins they have no cover to hide their fascism behind. He's going to demand socialism,and get on tv and name names if they try to tie him up.

[EasyAce]

Barry Goldwater was Episcopalian.

By what standard are you claiming him Jewish?

Barry Goldwater's father and paternal grandparents were Jewish. Goldwater's father married an
Episcopalian woman in the Episcopal church and raised their son an Episcopalian. (By way of his
mother's side, Goldwater was also a partial descendant of the historical Rhode Island theologian
Roger Williams, an early proponent of religious freedom in colonial America.) Goldwater was only
an occasional churchgoer but he never denied his partial Jewish heritage, either.

[Sanguine]

Barry Goldwater's father and paternal grandparents were Jewish. Goldwater's father married an
Episcopalian woman in the Episcopal church and raised their son an Episcopalian. (By way of his
mother's side, Goldwater was also a partial descendant of the historical Rhode Island theologian
Roger Williams, an early proponent of religious freedom in colonial America.) Goldwater was only
an occasional churchgoer but he never denied his partial Jewish heritage, either.

Interesting.

[sneakypete]

Goldwater was only
an occasional churchgoer but he never denied his partial Jewish heritage, either.

That's ok with me. In MY book he was a virtual Saint,regardless of his or anyone else's religious beliefs.

[Bigun]

That's ok with me. In MY book he was a virtual Saint,regardless of his or anyone else's religious beliefs.

I know this! I know that had he been elected president in1964 the war in Vietnam would have been won and the entire world would be a different place today because of it!

[sneakypete]

I know this! I know that had he been elected president in1964 the war in Vietnam would have been won and the entire world would be a different place today because of it!

Goldwater scared the Dims and the Country Club Repbulicans more than the Nazi's ever scared them.

Of course,the Country Club Republicans were in business with the Nazi's,so they didn't have much to fear from them.

In case anyone doesn't know,I can tell you what Prescott Bush Sr's punishment was for being convicted of laundering Nazi money during WW-2. He was elected to the US Senate in 1954,and had to hang out with REALLY evil people.

[mystery-ak]

I know this! I know that had he been elected president in1964 the war in Vietnam would have been won and the entire world would be a different place today because of it!

Damn right!

[HonestJohn]

Barry Goldwater's father and paternal grandparents were Jewish. Goldwater's father married an
Episcopalian woman in the Episcopal church and raised their son an Episcopalian. (By way of his
mother's side, Goldwater was also a partial descendant of the historical Rhode Island theologian
Roger Williams, an early proponent of religious freedom in colonial America.) Goldwater was only
an occasional churchgoer but he never denied his partial Jewish heritage, either.

Which makes him Jewish, how?

[sneakypete]

Which makes him Jewish, how?

At the risk of getting banned again,what is it that has you so upset? Are you mad because someone (me) said he was a Jew,or are you mad because technically someone said he isn't a Jew?

And,in the end,what difference does it make either way either way? Barry Goldwater was the best hope to save America we have had since the Revolutionary War,and the Dims pulled dirty tricks to demonize him with the approval of the Country Club Republicans.

[EasyAce]

Which makes him Jewish, how?

OK, so he's half Jewish, can he go in the water up to his waist? ;)

[sinkspur]

At the risk of getting banned again,what is it that has you so upset? Are you mad because someone (me) said he was a Jew,or are you mad because technically someone said he isn't a Jew?

And,in the end,what difference does it make either way either way? Barry Goldwater was the best hope to save America we have had since the Revolutionary War,and the Dims pulled dirty tricks to demonize him with the approval of the Country Club Republicans.

When Kennedy was assassinated, the entire political world knew Goldwater could never win the presidency. And I think it's hyperbolic to say that Goldwater could have "saved America" and was the best hope since the founding of the country. 

That's bizarre.

[Bigun]

Goldwater scared the Dims and the Country Club Repbulicans more than the Nazi's ever scared them.

Who is it that is currently running who fits EXACTLY in that category?

[Bigun]

When Kennedy was assassinated, the entire political world knew Goldwater could never win the presidency. And I think it's hyperbolic to say that Goldwater could have "saved America" and was the best hope since the founding of the country. 

That's bizarre.

So you say! I happen to believe that to be a very true statement.

[HonestJohn]

At the risk of getting banned again,what is it that has you so upset? Are you mad because someone (me) said he was a Jew,or are you mad because technically someone said he isn't a Jew?

And,in the end,what difference does it make either way either way? Barry Goldwater was the best hope to save America we have had since the Revolutionary War,and the Dims pulled dirty tricks to demonize him with the approval of the Country Club Republicans.

Neither.  People who hate Goldwater tend to claim him a Jew because they refuse to believe that anyone they disagree with could possibly be of the same faith as them.

I wanted to make sure that this wasn't the same.  It's not.

Thank you.

[sneakypete]

When Kennedy was assassinated, the entire political world knew Goldwater could never win the presidency. And I think it's hyperbolic to say that Goldwater could have "saved America" and was the best hope since the founding of the country. 

That's bizarre.

I don't. America has done nothing but take a dive since that election ended. His election  would have cut so much budding legislation it's mind-boggling to even consider.