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For example, Trump could win every primary, but the Bush-Rubio-Christie-Kasich-McConnell-Ryan-wing of the GOP could block Trump and seize the nomination for an establishment alternative. Rule 40B could block Trump from the nomination, bypass Cruz and pave the way for a backroom BIG STEAL deal that nominates, say, a Rubio-Kasich ticket.

The Trump forces can repeal Rule 40 B, clearing the way for a Trump nomination by a simple majority – with 51 percent.

Will the GOP establishment steal the 2016 nomination from Donald Trump even if the magnate arrives in Cleveland with the most pledged delegates but short of the 50 percent he'd need to be nominated?

Is a back-room deal in the works to have a "brokered convention" to deny Trump the GOP nod? I think there is such a plan and it must be exposed.

Donald Trump is our last hope to make Washington work for us – not the lobbyists, special interests and billionaire donors who control the corroded two-party system. As Trump says: "America is going to hell!"

I am a veteran of nine national Republican presidential campaigns, including the floor of the 1976 Republican National Convention for Ronald Reagan. My sources inside the Republican party are warning me:

The insiders have a stunning plan to stop Trump even if he wins the primaries.

The plan involves stalling Trump short of a majority on the first ballot, since many of the delegates pledged to him would no longer be legally bound to support him on subsequent ballots. There are many, many Trojan Horse delegates inserted by the GOP establishment who could bolt from Trump after that first ballot.

Remember, up until March 14 all primaries have proportional delegate allocation.

Ted Cruz , Chris Christie, Marco Rubio , Jeb Bush and the rest will be winning delegates, too.

There are 278 Super Delegates who are GOP establishment insiders, likely opposed to Trump. They constitute 4 percent of the convention. Thus, Trump must win 54 percent of delegates elected in caucuses and primaries to guarantee he could block a plot to stop him.

To make it worse, Convention Rule 40 B says the Candidate must have a majority of delegates in at least eight states. The Romney people passed this rule in 2012 when they had control of the party. It hurts Donald Trump.

By hanging in the race long after they have any chance of being nominated, sustained by Super PAC money, Trump's opponents can drain votes and could perhaps stop Trump from gaining a majority in any state – even while he is winning a plurality. Bush, Christie, Rubio and Kasich, I'm told, are in on this plan. Many GOP insiders calling it the "BIG STEAL."

For example, Trump could win every primary, but the Bush-Rubio-Christie-Kasich-McConnell-Ryan-wing of the GOP could block Trump and seize the nomination for an establishment alternative. Rule 40B could block Trump from the nomination, bypass Cruz and pave the way for a backroom BIG STEAL deal that nominates, say, a Rubio-Kasich ticket.

Many party moderates and GOP congressional establishment types would rather have Hillary Clinton, who they can wheel and deal with, then Trump, who vows to drain their swamp.

The Trump candidacy is a citizen insurrection, an authentic uprising. We want to make America Great Again! The Washington consultant and lobbyist class are scared to death because Trump cannot not be bought. Trump is his own man and he will bring radical reform to government.

The BIG STEAL has already begun. Even today, a Super PAC supporting John Kasich is spending $2.5 million on harsh negative ads attacking Donald Trump. Jeb Bush and his billionaires have spent an estimated $16 million attacking Trump on TV. Chris Christie attacked Trump this week, calling Trump a "carnival barker." All of this is part of the BIG STEAL plan to stall Trump short of a majority of delegates and force a brokered convention.

We must demand the Super-Delegates vote for the winner of the primaries, not some "STOP TRUMP" candidate like Rubio or Bush. The Trump forces can repeal Rule 40 B, clearing the way for a Trump nomination by a simple majority – with 51 percent.

If Trump is robbed at the Republican National Convention, millions of American tired of the two-party insiders and the Washington insiders will not vote Republican. Millions of working class Democrats won't vote Republican. Hillary Clinton will win.

But maybe that's what some in the Republican Establishment want.

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The fact that the hapless Jeb Bush is still in the race, even though he has polled from 1% to 3% his entire campaign, tells me that something is in the works. Why is he still running? Why are people still giving him money? It makes no sense.


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If the GOPe pulls this, I don't care if it's on Trump, Cruz, or whoever., then I will not vote for their nominee, and I will loudly tell other Republicans not to vote for the nominee either. Let the country elect a socialist and let it burn.
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To make it worse, Convention Rule 40 B says the Candidate must have a majority of delegates in at least eight states. The Romney people passed this rule in 2012 when they had control of the party. It hurts Donald Trump.

By hanging in the race long after they have any chance of being nominated, sustained by Super PAC money, Trump's opponents can drain votes and could perhaps stop Trump from gaining a majority in any state – even while he is winning a plurality. Bush, Christie, Rubio and Kasich, I'm told, are in on this plan. Many GOP insiders calling it the "BIG STEAL."
Didn't Mitt Romney and John McCain win their primaries by by dividing up all their opposition against various other candidates? You see it even this time around with Trump's cozy-cozying up to fading Ben Carson. Trump knows he can't get past 40% of the party vote. People hate him too much, and for good reason. So he needs a big field to split the opposition, and he uses shady tactics like birtherism to prevent any one of them from getting close enough to be a threat.

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Many party moderates and GOP congressional establishment types would rather have Hillary Clinton, who they can wheel and deal with, then Trump, who vows to drain their swamp.
That's right, Donald Trump, the man who wrote "The Art of the Deal," is less of a dealmaker than Hillary Clinton.
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If the GOPe pulls this, I don't care if it's on Trump, Cruz, or whoever., then I will not vote for their nominee, and I will loudly tell other Republicans not to vote for the nominee either. Let the country elect a socialist and let it burn.

IF they would pull something like this - I won't vote Republican either.  But like the article hints - I've thought for a long time that they DON'T want to win!

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IF they would pull something like this - I won't vote Republican either.  But like the article hints - I've thought for a long time that they DON'T want to win!

They want to win with their guy or not at all. When you got the leadership like McConnell that will come running like the family pet when Obama opens his mouth, but basically says they won't deal with a guy like Trump - who is the deal maker - and even more so with Cruz, you got problems.

So if they GOPe pulls that stunt off, there is nothing left. If the people can't elect their own nominee, no point gong forward from there.
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IF they would pull something like this - I won't vote Republican either.  But like the article hints - I've thought for a long time that they DON'T want to win!

Exactly.

If the GOPe pulls this crap and gets Bush nominated, and you don't vote Republican, that would be just fine with them. They would much rather see Hillary elected, than to lose control of the tattered remains of what they call a political party.

They didn't nominate McCain because they thought he would win. McCain is loser, and they nominated him to lose. And he did that very well beyond anyone's expectations.
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Exactly.

If the GOPe pulls this crap and gets Bush nominated, and you don't vote Republican, that would be just fine with them. They would much rather see Hillary elected, than to lose control of the tattered remains of what they call a political party.

They didn't nominate McCain because they thought he would win. McCain is loser, and they nominated him to lose. And he did that very well beyond anyone's expectations.

They would rather watch this once great republic fail than to give up their little inside the beltway game that makes them all rich!
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They want to win with their guy or not at all. When you got the leadership like McConnell that will come running like the family pet when Obama opens his mouth, but basically says they won't deal with a guy like Trump - who is the deal maker - and even more so with Cruz, you got problems.

So if they GOPe pulls that stunt off, there is nothing left. If the people can't elect their own nominee, no point gong forward from there.

No point. What it will represent is that the Dems and Pubs have merged into a single mono-party, and all the debates, and campaigns, and caucuses, are all just a meaningless dog and pony show.

Elections will become meaningless. The "chosen person" will always be nominated and elected, no matter what, just like North Korea or the Soviet Union.
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If the GOPe pulls this, I don't care if it's on Trump, Cruz, or whoever., then I will not vote for their nominee, and I will loudly tell other Republicans not to vote for the nominee either. Let the country elect a socialist and let it burn.

If Trump's the nominee, the country WILL elect a socialist. 

Trump must be denied.  By any means necessary.   

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If Trump's the nominee, the country WILL elect a socialist. 

Trump must be denied.  By any means necessary.

He must be denied by the voters NOT the political establishment!  If the political establishment tries to deny him they effectively elect him!
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If Trump's the nominee, the country WILL elect a socialist. 

Trump must be denied.  By any means necessary.

No, not by any means necessary. The will of the people will prevail. Any smoky backroom lawyer deals and all bets are off.
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No, not by any means necessary. The will of the people will prevail. Any smoky backroom lawyer deals and all bets are off.

Damn right I mean by any means necessary.  Let the turd run as an independent.  Not in my party.
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The fact that the hapless Jeb Bush is still in the race, even though he has polled from 1% to 3% his entire campaign, tells me that something is in the works. Why is he still running? Why are people still giving him money? It makes no sense.


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i fully agree....something isn't right about him still being in the race and still getting money.


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Damn right I mean by any means necessary.  Let the turd run as an independent.  Not in my party.
So the people vote for him in their state primaries, but you maintain some type of elitist arrogance, to overrule their choice?

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Damn right I mean by any means necessary.  Let the turd run as an independent.  Not in my party.

It's my party too!

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So the people vote for him in their state primaries, but you maintain some type of elitist arrogance, to overrule their choice?

Guess then I'm the most arrogant elitist you'll ever meet, TS.  No Trump, no way.   Better a coup than for that poisonous demogogue as the GOP nominee. 

I don't care if you or anyone else wants to vote for Trump, so long as he doesn't have an "R" next to his name.  He's ready and willing to run as an independent.  That's what he should do.  That's where he belongs.   
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It's my party too!

It won't be my party if Trump's the nominee.  You can have it.   
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Guess then I'm the most arrogant elitist you'll ever meet, TS.  No Trump, no way.   Better a coup than for that poisonous demogogue as the GOP nominee. 

I don't care if you or anyone else wants to vote for Trump, so long as he doesn't have an "R" next to his name.  He's ready and willing to run as an independent.  That's what he should do.  That's where he belongs.   
You are not the only person here, that has been a longtime Republican. However I do not share your emotional response to Trump.

Trump is merely a reflection of the national mood; parties are worthless. More Independents, and fewer party members.

If Trump is what it takes to defeat Hillary/Sanders (and Obama's 3rd term) I am ready, willing, etc.

By comparison Trump talks about topics in my terms, and Hillary/Sanders talk about them in opposite terms.

My view is the extreme right wing of the GOP can never win national office, due to their issue positions, and demographics.

The mood is just not right for the Kasich type Republicans, either. Sometimes when your arguments are not prevailing, it is wise to try to empathize with your opponent, learn what they are doing that is working.

Trump is talking first about illegal immigrants doing harm here, and muslim immigrants doing harm here. If that doesn't make you angry, you are not paying attention.

I live 1.5 hours from San Bernardino. I could relate to people getting killed there, due to lax screening by Obama and his types.
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If Trump is what it takes to defeat Hillary/Sanders (and Obama's 3rd term) I am ready, willing, etc.


Our views are simply irreconcilable, TS.  I want to defeat Hillary/Sanders as much as you do, maybe more.   But, to me,  nominating Trump will not only ensure that a conservative won't win the White House, but that our Senate control will go down in flames as well.  Trump at the top of the ticket will set back the conservative cause for a generation, and in the meantime we'll have lost all leverage to hold back the deluge.   

As I've said elsewhere, thank Trump for raising important issues but cast your vote for a responsible, electable nominee.   
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Our views are simply irreconcilable, TS.  I want to defeat Hillary/Sanders as much as you do, maybe more.   But, to me,  nominating Trump will not only ensure that a conservative won't win the White House, but that our Senate control will go down in flames as well.  Trump at the top of the ticket will set back the conservative cause for a generation, and in the meantime we'll have lost all leverage to hold back the deluge.   

As I've said elsewhere, thank Trump for raising important issues but cast your vote for a responsible, electable nominee.

It sounds like if Trump wins, you plan to join the Hillary or Sanders campaign. I am sure they would welcome your wise counsel.

It seems to me that your view of the situation is fringe and emotional in the extreme. If you plan to leave the Republican party if Trump wins, you should start packing your bags now. I am sure the rest of us will miss you, but will do just fine without you.

Perhaps, and this is just a theory, it is not the 40 - 50% who support Trump who should run Independent. Maybe it is you who is in the wrong party? You certainly are not with the mainstream flow of the Republican base. That is shown in every poll.
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It sounds like if Trump wins, you plan to join the Hillary or Sanders campaign. I am sure they would welcome your wise counsel.

It seems to me that your view of the situation is fringe and emotional in the extreme. If you plan to leave the Republican party if Trump wins, you should start packing your bags now. I am sure the rest of us will miss you, but will do just fine without you.

Perhaps, and this is just a theory, it is not the 40 - 50% who support Trump who should run Independent. Maybe it is you who is in the wrong party? You certainly are not with the mainstream flow of the Republican base. That is shown in every poll.

I understand perfectly well why Jazz dislikes Trump. As a politician, Trump is hard to take... if, you're someone whose idea of the best next president is John Kasich.

But then again some of us are keen on dismantling the old, dysfunctional, unresponsive parts of government that had grown beyond its useful purpose to the people, and rather wish to see the bricks start coming down, piece by piece.