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 Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base
By Jonah Goldberg — December 11, 2015

There’s a tendency in politics to mistake personal animosity for ideological animosity.

Consider Bill Clinton. His staggering dishonesty, tackiness, and scorn for the rule of law aroused a lot of anger from the Right. But he wasn’t really that left-wing.

Oh, he was certainly more liberal in his heart than he let on, but he also worked from the assumption that this was a center-right country, and that limited what he could get away with.

Clinton ran for president the first time by “triangulating” against the base of his own party. He took time off from the campaign to oversee the execution of Ricky Ray Rector, a man so mentally disabled, when he left for the electric chair, he told the guards that he was saving the pecan pie from his last meal “for later.” Clinton signed welfare reform (reluctantly), the Defense of Marriage Act (less reluctantly), helped to balance the budget, and proclaimed that “the era of big government is over.”

And yet, many conservatives insisted he was a no-good hippy left-winger.

George W. Bush ran on a platform of “compassionate conservatism.” Once elected, his first order of business was to work with Ted Kennedy on education. He passed the biggest expansion of entitlements in this country since the Great Society (Medicare Part D), increased the federal workforce, and increased federal spending per household.

And yet, during his presidency — even before 9/11 — he was routinely called a heartless right-winger.

Richard Nixon is an even better example. Not counting Barack Obama, Nixon was arguably the most liberal president since LBJ. He came from the progressive wing of the GOP (back when there really was one). In 1965 he told reporters that the “Buckleyites” (i.e., William F. Buckley and his crowd at National Review, where I work) were a “threat more menacing” to the GOP than the John Birch Society. He told his aide John C. Whitaker, “There is only one thing as bad as a far-left liberal and that’s a damn right-wing conservative.”

In office, he created the EPA, institutionalized affirmative action, loved regulation, and pushed for ever more domestic spending, including a proposed massive government takeover of health care.

And yet, even today, it’s hard to find a liberal who isn’t convinced that Nixon was a rabid right-winger. Indeed, Nixon’s entire appeal to the “silent majority” was an attempt to forge a populist, big-government alternative to both FDR-LBJ liberalism and Buckleyite conservatism.

Which brings me to Donald Trump, the new leader of a very loud “silent majority.” I keep hearing that Trump poses a grave threat to the GOP because he pits “the conservative base” against the presumably more liberal “GOP establishment.”

The first part is true: He does pose a threat to the GOP. But are the labels right? For starters, the so-called “establishment” is more conservative than any time in GOP history.

Until Trump descended his golden escalator, the “conservative base” generally referred to committed pro-lifers and other social conservatives. The term also suggested people who were for very limited government, strict adherence to the Constitution, etc. Most of all, it described people who called themselves “very conservative.”

While it’s absolutely true that Trump draws support from people who fit such descriptions, it’s far from the entirety of Trump’s following. According to polls, Trump draws heavily from more secular Republicans who are more likely to describe themselves as “liberal” or “moderate” than “conservative” or “very conservative.” Ted Cruz draws more exclusively from the traditional base.

And I would argue that his “very conservative” followers aren’t supporting Trump because he’s a conservative but because he’s a walking, talking thumb in the eyes of “elites” in the media and both parties.

The claim that Trump is a committed conservative is not very believable. Until recently, he was for higher taxes on the wealthy, taking in Syrian refugees, and single-payer health care. He almost never talks about the Constitution, faith, or liberty unless forced to. In 2012, Trump condemned Mitt Romney for being too harsh on illegal immigration. In May of this year, he attacked “publicity seekers” who needlessly provoked Muslims.

With the exception of a few single-issue voters on immigration, Trump fans love him for his enemies and for his populist bombast, not for any specific principles. In other words, he divides the GOP more up-down than he does left-right.

Trump defenders can rightly point to the fact that he draws support from a wide swath of voters. Critics can rightly point out that he draws animosity from an even wider swath of voters. But neither should go around talking about how Trump represents the conservative base.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2015, 02:01:06 pm »
Trump is more of a cultural phenomenon than a political phenomenon. 

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 02:09:18 pm »
Trump is more of a cultural phenomenon than a political phenomenon.

With the Hollywood and entertainment industry in full support and promotion of the political left's agenda, how is Trump's campaign any different from any political campaign since the Clintons' "don't stop thinking about tomorrow" inaugural bash? Politics is culture, and culture is politics in today's America.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 02:50:35 pm »
With the Hollywood and entertainment industry in full support and promotion of the political left's agenda, how is Trump's campaign any different from any political campaign since the Clintons' "don't stop thinking about tomorrow" inaugural bash? Politics is culture, and culture is politics in today's America.

For Trump supporters, that's certainly true.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 02:52:52 pm »
With the Hollywood and entertainment industry in full support and promotion of the political left's agenda, how is Trump's campaign any different from any political campaign since the Clintons' "don't stop thinking about tomorrow" inaugural bash? Politics is culture, and culture is politics in today's America.

Trump takes it to a whole new place, and I would say politics may never be the same after this.

Politics used to be marketing posing as political philosophy and policy.  Trump has taken the philosophy and policy part out of it and made it a pure marketing play.  Like the marketer, he continually repositions himself to whatever perceptual position is unoccupied by his competitors, and it does not seem to matter how impractical that position might be, whether it means deporting 11 million people or banning Muslims from entering the country.  He finds a perceptual position that cannot be outflanked.  Once he occupies that position he can easily move on without fear of challenge from his right. 

From the perspective of someone with a PhD in this, and who did it myself for many years, I tell you he is completely reinventing the game.  It's fun to watch.  And scary.  Because once he is elected, that is when the "fun" is going to really begin.

President Trump will make this forum a very, very interesting place to visit.

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 02:55:08 pm »
Trump is more of a cultural phenomenon than a political phenomenon.

Exactly...couldn't agree more
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 03:02:50 pm »
One of the more cogent articles I've read this morning was a yahoo piece profiling the people waiting to see Trump at his Charleston rally.

One rarely gets to see unbiased reporting about Trump's supporters. This is a journalism 101 story worth the read.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,188309.msg748710.html#msg748710
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President Trump will make this forum a very, very interesting place to visit.

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2015, 03:37:05 pm »
...if only Rush Limbaugh could write his speeches.  Or, at least, appear at the convention like Clint Eastwood did for Romney.

Rush wouldn't need an empty chair for his prop, either.   

Maybe an overweight mannequin dressed in a yellow pantsuit    :pondering:

My original thought was Trump in a Nationally televised speech, begging for our country's life.  And convincingly showing why Hillary would deliver the coup de grace if she was elected.

Conceptually, it should be a walk in the park to pull off.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2015, 03:40:36 pm »
For Trump supporters, that's certainly true.

You know what "hurts me the most" about our falling out?

Had really been thinking about those steaks you were going to grill for us when I got down to DFW.   ^-^

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2015, 03:55:07 pm »
You know what "hurts me the most" about our falling out?

Had really been thinking about those steaks you were going to grill for us when I got down to DFW.   ^-^

luv ya, bud!

Put those steaks completely out of your mind, DC!!  Sink let us all know that he had a muhammadan working in his kitchen for 3 days, the safety of any food coming out of that kitchen has to be drawn into close scrutiny!!    :silly:

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2015, 06:22:29 pm »
Except for Cruz, the 'conservative' Congress doesn't represent the Conservative base.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2015, 06:31:16 pm »
You know what "hurts me the most" about our falling out?

Had really been thinking about those steaks you were going to grill for us when I got down to DFW.   ^-^

luv ya, bud!

Come out west and get some wagyu steak...those easterners in Texas are just resting on reputation, we've got the real deal in the west.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2015, 06:35:35 pm »
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For starters, the so-called “establishment” is more conservative than any time in GOP history.

I don't know where Goldberg got this impression, and he doesn't explain it.  I would say that the tape measure has been moved way to the left, and it may look like they are more conservative.

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
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Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base
By Jonah Goldberg — December 11, 2015

Just a general observation, Jonah.

Donald Trump is not a politician. Donald Trump is a dynamic leader, as shown by his business skills and as proven by his success in international business.

The conservative base may have simply made a determination that this particular candidate is what's needed at this point in our political history--ideological purity aside.
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2015, 07:09:23 pm »
Trump doesn't represent the conservative base anymore than he represents the liberal base, the demo base or the gop base. What he represents is the peaceful revolution. A rebellion against all that is entrenched in DC and the mass media. It cuts across traditional lines of politics, race, religion, economic, etc.

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 08:49:30 pm »
Put those steaks completely out of your mind, DC!!  Sink let us all know that he had a muhammadan working in his kitchen for 3 days, the safety of any food coming out of that kitchen has to be drawn into close scrutiny!!    :silly:


LOL!   So glad you're back posting, Katz!    :laugh:
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Come out west and get some wagyu steak...those easterners in Texas are just resting on reputation, we've got the real deal in the west.

LOL!  Well, I'd better hurry up before they'll have to run it thru a blender.     :laugh:
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Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base
By Jonah Goldberg — December 11, 2015

Just a general observation, Jonah.

Donald Trump is not a politician. Donald Trump is a dynamic leader, as shown by his business skills and as proven by his success in international business.

The conservative base may have simply made a determination that this particular candidate is what's needed at this point in our political history--ideological purity aside.

Perfectly stated, AC!

I want somebody with a good poker face.  With the power and intelligence to back it up.

Whether he chews loudly or with his mouth open?  Don't care.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2015, 08:53:59 pm »
Trump doesn't represent the conservative base anymore than he represents the liberal base, the demo base or the gop base. What he represents is the peaceful revolution.  :laugh:

I like it, xfreeper.

It's so simple for some to see, and so impossible for others.
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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2015, 09:15:37 pm »
Trump doesn't represent the conservative base anymore than he represents the liberal base, the demo base or the gop base. What he represents is the peaceful revolution. A rebellion against all that is entrenched in DC and the mass media. It cuts across traditional lines of politics, race, religion, economic, etc.

Perfect!  And it is driving them nuts...

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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2015, 10:22:18 pm »
Come out west and get some wagyu steak...those easterners in Texas are just resting on reputation, we've got the real deal in the west.

"Easterners in Texas"?  Them's fighting words!

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Re: Trump Doesn’t Represent the Conservative Base By Jonah Goldberg
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2015, 03:22:33 am »
xfreeper wrote above:
"Trump doesn't represent the conservative base anymore than he represents the liberal base, the demo base or the gop base. What he represents is the peaceful revolution."

Well, when you can't have a "peaceful" revolution, what other options remain available?

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2015, 03:29:03 am »
xfreeper wrote above:
"Trump doesn't represent the conservative base anymore than he represents the liberal base, the demo base or the gop base. What he represents is the peaceful revolution."

Well, when you can't have a "peaceful" revolution, what other options remain available?

Pipe bombs.
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