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These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« on: December 11, 2015, 02:21:53 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/in-line-to-see-trump-1318469047787574.html

These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
Jon Ward
December 11, 2015


Attendees at a rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump board the aircraft carrier USS Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, S.C., Monday, Dec. 7, 2015. (Photo: Mic Smith/AP)

CHARLESTON, S.C. — The people kept coming, and the line kept growing and growing.

The line of people to see Donald Trump snaked from the entrance to the USS Yorktown aircraft carrier down the parking lot, back up toward the entrance again and then back around alongside another lane of cars. By the time the fire marshal stopped letting people in, with almost 2,000 people onboard the ship, there were still around 1,000 people waiting outside.

For three hours, I walked among the Trump supporters standing in line, engaging them in conversations that lasted between 10 and 20 minutes, trying to better understand who they were and what had drawn them to come see Trump.

The portrait of a Trump supporter — drawn from those conversations as well as an extra three hours of interviews with attendees at a rally in northern Virginia the week before — did correspond much of the time to the basic profile: white, middle or working class, resentful of immigration, overwhelmed by dramatic changes in morality and technology, and fearful and angry about being left behind culturally and economically.

And so there were plenty of men like Willis Priester, a 63-year-old independent contractor, who told me that President Obama is a Muslim and that gay people are “the devil.” He was quick to condemn Muslims but hesitant to voice his objections to homosexuality. Once he did, however, it was clear he felt just as strongly, if not more so, about both the acceptance of gay marriage and about the sudden social disapproval of his views.

There was also no question that the heightened alarm over terrorism after the San Bernardino, Calif., attack on Dec. 2 was drawing some people toward Trump. Trump’s “toughness with the situation” was a point of appeal to one man who gives guided tours of the Yorktown, and others voiced similar sentiments.

But I was surprised at how a fair number of those I met at the Trump rallies were not like Priester. Trump is drawing people who defy stereotype. They were not necessarily older, or all that conservative, or even white. What’s needed, they feel, is someone larger-than-life, someone who they hope can bring about change and fix what’s broken in the country through sheer force of personality.

For these people, Trump’s nativism and faux-populist appeals weren’t the main appeal. For some, Trump stood for a return to hard work and personal responsibility. For others, Trump appeals to something instinctive about their sense of what’s needed. And for others, his celebrity and entertainment appeal drew them and functions in their view as a form of leadership that may carry over into effective governance.

Curtis Quinn, 54, and his wife, Janelle, were stylishly dressed like the kind of couple you might see at a hip Brooklyn bar. The considerably younger Mrs. Quinn wore expensive-looking boots, formfitting pants with a camouflage design, and made the black “Make America Great Again” cap on her head look like a fashion statement.

She was originally from Milwaukee. Quinn was from just outside Boston originally, and is a thoracic surgeon here in Charleston. He wore a leather jacket covered in colorful patches, which represented the military service of five men in his family. One grandfather, he said, served in the “Lost Battalion” in World War I. Another served in the U.S. Navy. His father fought in the Battle of the Bulge. One uncle flew 48 bombing missions over Germany in World War II. And another uncle took part in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, Quinn said.

“I will never be the caliber of people these people are,” Quinn told me in a Northeastern accent, referring to his forebears. “Never will be. I don’t have that in me. But I see that however lax I’ve became from this generation, the now generation is so much worse.”

“I just don’t see motivation. I don’t see hard work. I don’t see ethics. Things like that that I think are totally lacking,” Quinn said. He spoke with passion, but did not come across as angry. He was warm, engaging. The Quinns have two young children, and Curtis said he didn’t want them to grow up in a country where the government controls too much of human activity, commerce and thought.
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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2015, 02:48:23 pm »

Actually a very enlightening and fair piece from yahoo. Color me surprised.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 03:01:56 pm »
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“I just don’t see motivation. I don’t see hard work. I don’t see ethics. Things like that that I think are totally lacking,” Quinn said. He spoke with passion, but did not come across as angry. He was warm, engaging. The Quinns have two young children, and Curtis said he didn’t want them to grow up in a country where the government controls too much of human activity, commerce and thought.

So Curtis supports a guy who has, throughout his professional life, used the power of government to coerce homeowners and small businesses, greased the palms of politicians, and even now is using his legal consiglieres to threaten the speech of other candidates.

Your boy Trump wants to control MORE activity, not less.

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 03:08:04 pm »
So Curtis supports a guy who has, throughout his professional life, used the power of government to coerce homeowners and small businesses, greased the palms of politicians, and even now is using his legal consiglieres to threaten the speech of other candidates.

Your boy Trump wants to control MORE activity, not less.

And you know this how? Or is this just one more of your typically biased, and (historically) hostile-to-Trump opinions?

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 03:11:13 pm »
So Curtis supports a guy who has, throughout his professional life, used the power of government to coerce homeowners and small businesses, greased the palms of politicians, and even now is using his legal consiglieres to threaten the speech of other candidates.

Your boy Trump wants to control MORE activity, not less. 

Data source, please.  You can just provide the link if that's easier.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 03:17:04 pm »
And you know this how? Or is this just one more of your typically biased, and (historically) hostile-to-Trump opinions?

Look up the Kelo decision in the SC.  Trump supports it completely and has used eminent domain repeatedly to get his way.  And surely you've heard him talk about the "necessity" of sucking up to Democrats and Republicans (read: palm greasing) to get what he wanted.

And, you can look up a thread posted just yesterday in which Jeb Bush's lawyers told Trump's lawyers to KMA over Trump's letter last week threatening Bush if his "PAC" came out against Trump. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 03:20:02 pm »
Data source, please.  You can just provide the link if that's easier.

Let me ask you this:  Have you EVER heard Trump mention the words "limited government"? 

Google "Trump Kelo" and you'll see just how much he loves using the power of government to force people out of their homes for his garish casinos.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2015, 03:23:24 pm »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2015, 03:23:27 pm »
Let me ask you this:  Have you EVER heard Trump mention the words "limited government"? 

Google "Trump Kelo" and you'll see just how much he loves using the power of government to force people out of their homes for his garish casinos.

That's it?  Good to know.  Thanks.

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2015, 03:59:18 pm »
These are the people who wait hours to see Trump...



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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2015, 04:06:24 pm »
These are the people who wait hours to see Trump...




Cool! A graphic rendering of our times. Nice visual. A picture is worth...class? ...a thousand words! Very good!

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Re: These are the people who wait hours to see Trump
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2015, 04:12:11 pm »

Cool! A graphic rendering of our times. Nice visual. A picture is worth...class? ...a thousand words! Very good!

I cannot claim credit for it, but it is highly representational: ColdAnger  (Well worth a read!)

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There’s a level of anger far deeper and more consequential than expressed rage or visible behavior.  Cold Anger does not need to go to violence.  For those who carry it, no conversation is needed.  You cannot poll or measure it; and even those who carry it avoid discussion.  And that decision has nothing whatsoever to do with any form of correctness.

Cold Anger is not hatred, it is far more purposeful.

Cold Anger absorbs betrayal silently, often prudently.

We’ve watched the shooting of cops, and the parades which follow, absorbing.  Cold Anger takes notice of the liars, even from a great distance – seemingly invisible to the mob.  Cold Anger will still hold open the door for the parade goer.  Mannerly.

Cold Anger evidenced is more severe because it is more strategic.

Cold Anger does not gloat; it absorbs consistent vilification and ridicule as fuel.  This sensibility does not want to exist, it is forced to exist in otherwise unwilling hosts – who also refuse to be destabilized by it.

Deliberate intent and prudence will insure avoiding failure.  The course, is thoughtful vigilance;  a strategy devoid of emotion.

Foolishness and betrayal of our nation have served to reveal dangers within our present condition.  Misplaced corrective action, regardless of intent, is neither safe nor wise.

Cold Anger is not driven to act in spite of itself; it drives a reckoning.