Donald Trump Resumes Attack on Megyn Kelly as She Returns to TV

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I think I'm pretty appreciative of your service ac.   

You're wasting your time with these guys.  They're reaching the bottom of the barrel when they have to insult a great American like you. 

I missed the insult, and I too appreciate aligncare's service to our country.

I put in almost 60 hours my last work week.  Today I only had a 2 hour meeting.  The rest of the day I accomplished nothing and it was everything I thought it could be. 

Tomorrow you may have the forum Once-Ler free from morning until late evening.

See you tomorrow.

[DCPatriot]

I think I'm pretty appreciative of your service ac.   

You're wasting your time with these guys.  They're reaching the bottom of the barrel when they have to insult a great American like you. 

Can you imagine spending so much time trying to find Negative Trump?  And then having to attract enough attention to keep the threads going on for days and days?  You wouldn't have time for anything else.

"Hey Mom, would you bring me a pepperoni Hot Pocket down - I don't have time to get up.....oh, and a clean t-shirt too? I got Cheetos on this one."

Probably have orange peckers too, in all their 'excitement'.    

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Probably have orange peckers too, in all their 'excitement'.   

chocolate.

[musiclady]

I thought it was very 'New York' of him.

"Sit down...sit down......SIT DOWN!!".

Loved it.

Reminded me of Stabler on Law and Order, SVU....... SIT DOWN!!

[DCPatriot]

chocolate.

Chocolate Cheetos?   Yuck! 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Chocolate Cheetos?   Yuck!

wrapped in hickory smoked bacon and dipped in apricot salsa?
Am I the only one?

[alicewonders]

Probably have orange peckers too, in all their 'excitement'.   

 

[Lando Lincoln]

I did a tour of duty in Vietnam. What do you think?

I am grateful and honored to have shared this board with you for so long ac. 

[aligncare]

I am grateful and honored to have shared this board with you for so long ac.

Why, thank you, Lando. You are ever the temperate poster.  I count you among the many good friends here at TBR.

But my response to Godzilla about military service was my attempt to illustrate a point, not angle for a compliment.

America is such a great country, a standard for other nations to follow, that I cannot comprehend how someone who lives here, becomes a citizen here and achieves the success that Ramos has in America, would still vote in Mexico?

I'm proud of my Italian heritage, yes. They are--at least were--a great people. But, America is what brings tears to my eyes. I can only feel one allegiance--I'm all in for America. In my opinion, you either are or you aren't.

[Lando Lincoln]

Why, thank you, Lando. You are ever the temperate poster.  I count you among the many good friends here at TBR.

But my response to Godzilla about military service was my attempt to illustrate a point, not angle for a compliment.

America is such a great country, a standard for other nations to follow, that I cannot comprehend how someone who lives here, becomes a citizen here and achieves the success that Ramos has in America, would still vote in Mexico?

I'm proud of my Italian heritage, yes. They are--at least were--a great people. But, America is what brings tears to my eyes. I can only feel one allegiance--I'm all in for America. In my opinion, you either are or you aren't.

Knowing you as I do ac, I am certain you weren't seeking compliments.  You deserve one nonetheless. 

My post actually replaced another set of comments which was out of character for me - I angrily snarked with respect to remarks of others which challenged your allegiance of citizenship.  I'm glad I yanked them.  Your eloquent statement above says it all.  Best!   

[Godzilla]

Why, thank you, Lando. You are ever the temperate poster.  I count you among the many good friends here at TBR.

But my response to Godzilla about military service was my attempt to illustrate a point, not angle for a compliment.

America is such a great country, a standard for other nations to follow, that I cannot comprehend how someone who lives here, becomes a citizen here and achieves the success that Ramos has in America, would still vote in Mexico?

I'm proud of my Italian heritage, yes. They are--at least were--a great people. But, America is what brings tears to my eyes. I can only feel one allegiance--I'm all in for America. In my opinion, you either are or you aren't.

It looks like, unless you formally informed the Italian government that you renounced your Italian citizenship, you are probably still an Italian citizen.  Which puts you in the same category as Jorge Ramos. 

http://www.icapbridging2worlds.com/italian-dual-citizenship-services/descent-requirements/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_nationality_law

[aligncare]

It looks like, unless you formally informed the Italian government that you renounced your Italian citizenship, you are probably still an Italian citizen.  Which puts you in the same category as Jorge Ramos. 

http://www.icapbridging2worlds.com/italian-dual-citizenship-services/descent-requirements/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_nationality_law

In fact while I was in Vietnam, and well before I was naturalized, I did get a draft notice...from the Italian government! They wanted me for military service!

But the premise of what you said couldn't be more wrong. I would fight and die for America, but not for Italy. Can Jorge Ramos say the same thing? I don't think so. I think he's a Mexican nationalist and La Rasa racist.

Because for me, it's about an allegiance to one country that comes from one's heart. As American patriots, we shouldn't sleep around, if I can use that analogy. It's about being faithful to one nation.

If you don't get that, I don't think there's anything else I can say to you on this issue.

[Godzilla]

In fact while I was in Vietnam, and well before I was naturalized, I did get a draft notice...from the Italian government! They wanted me for military service!

But the premise of what you said couldn't be more wrong. I would fight and die for America, but not for Italy. Can Jorge Ramos say the same thing? I don't think so. I think he's a Mexican nationalist and La Rasa racist.

Because for me, it's about an allegiance to one country that comes from one's heart. As American patriots, we shouldn't sleep around, if I can use that analogy. It's about being faithful to one nation.

If you don't get that, I don't think there's anything else I can say to you on this issue.

You excused the Trump supporter for telling Jorge Ramos, an American citizen, that he needed to get out of our country.

Why?  Because he was a dual-citizen... insinuating that dual-citizens were disloyal to America because of their dual-citizenship.

Then, when I pointed out that you fit the same category, you change your argument... saying that citizenship is about loyalty/love for their adopted country.  And that's very true.  But you have no clue about that regarding Jorge Ramos.  You do not know him.  But you automatically assume he is not.

Why should anyone view you in anything other than the same light that you hold against people just like you?

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Golden rule, people.  Golden rule.  "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

You aren't willing to grant Jorge the benefit of the doubt because he's a dual-citizen.  For that shows no love for his adopted country.  And yet, you are a dual-citizen.

Think about it.  If they come for Jorge, they'll come for you, too.

[EdinVA]

You excused the Trump supporter for telling Jorge Ramos, an American citizen, that he needed to get out of our country.

Why?  Because he was a dual-citizen... insinuating that dual-citizens were disloyal to America because of their dual-citizenship.

Then, when I pointed out that you fit the same category, you change your argument... saying that citizenship is about loyalty/love for their adopted country.  And that's very true.  But you have no clue about that regarding Jorge Ramos.  You do not know him.  But you automatically assume he is not.

Why should anyone view you in anything other than the same light that you hold against people just like you?

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Golden rule, people.  Golden rule.  "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

You aren't willing to grant Jorge the benefit of the doubt because he's a dual-citizen.  For that shows no love for his adopted country.  And yet, you are a dual-citizen.

Think about it.  If they come for Jorge, they'll come for you, too.

Is there a point in this rambling?
You are trying to compare an honorably discharged veteran who risked his neck for this country to an everything for me blow hard liberal media hack?
I don't care if AC is technically a citizen of a 100 countries, he chose this one and fought for it.

[musiclady]

In fact while I was in Vietnam, and well before I was naturalized, I did get a draft notice...from the Italian government! They wanted me for military service!

But the premise of what you said couldn't be more wrong. I would fight and die for America, but not for Italy. Can Jorge Ramos say the same thing? I don't think so. I think he's a Mexican nationalist and La Rasa racist.

Because for me, it's about an allegiance to one country that comes from one's heart. As American patriots, we shouldn't sleep around, if I can use that analogy. It's about being faithful to one nation.

If you don't get that, I don't think there's anything else I can say to you on this issue.

Good post, aligncare!

Thank you for sharing your story and your love of your country............. AMERICA!   

I took a trip to Sweden this past summer and visited the birthplaces of my grandparents and great grandparents.  While I felt a great kinship with the places and people of central Sweden (they are my people!), it is not the same as my love for America.

Though I don't have dual citizenship, I do have a loyalty to my ancestry, and in spite of that, I am completely and thoroughly AMERICAN.

Just.

Like.

YOU!     

[musiclady]

Is there a point in this rambling?
You are trying to compare an honorably discharged veteran who risked his neck for this country to an everything for me blow hard liberal media hack?
I don't care if AC is technically a citizen of a 100 countries, he chose this one and fought for it.

 

[Godzilla]

Is there a point in this rambling?
You are trying to compare an honorably discharged veteran who risked his neck for this country to an everything for me blow hard liberal media hack?
I don't care if AC is technically a citizen of a 100 countries, he chose this one and fought for it.

The point was that the guy in the video isn't going to care one whit about his service.  That guy will just see another dual-citizen that needs to get out of 'his' country.

And AC is excusing that belief and behavior.

I'm pointing out that guys like the one in the video will not stop with just Jorge.

There is a quote that fits the bill here:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

And they (demonstrated on video by a Trump supporter) are already 'coming' for the dual-citizens.

[EdinVA]

The point was that the guy in the video isn't going to care one whit about his service.  That guy will just see another dual-citizen that needs to get out of 'his' country.

And AC is excusing that belief and behavior.

I'm pointing out that guys like the one in the video will not stop with just Jorge.

There is a quote that fits the bill here:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

And they (demonstrated on video by a Trump supporter) are already 'coming' for the dual-citizens.

Freedom of speech... and if ramos gets his panties in a bunch because someone told him off, then it is his problem not AC's.

[aligncare]

You excused the Trump supporter for telling Jorge Ramos, an American citizen, that he needed to get out of our country.

Why?  Because he was a dual-citizen... insinuating that dual-citizens were disloyal to America because of their dual-citizenship.

Then, when I pointed out that you fit the same category, you change your argument... saying that citizenship is about loyalty/love for their adopted country.  And that's very true.  But you have no clue about that regarding Jorge Ramos.  You do not know him.  But you automatically assume he is not.

Why should anyone view you in anything other than the same light that you hold against people just like you?

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Golden rule, people.  Golden rule.  "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

You aren't willing to grant Jorge the benefit of the doubt because he's a dual-citizen.  For that shows no love for his adopted country.  And yet, you are a dual-citizen.

Think about it.  If they come for Jorge, they'll come for you, too.

I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I let the onlookers decide. I'm just expressing my point of view. And if I do or don't sway someone's thinking – that's OK, too. Have a little fun with it. The summers almost over.

[aligncare]

Okay, and now for ze dueling quotes.

In 1867, George Yeaman, American Minister to Denmark, in his highly respected treatise on allegiance and citizenship and for whom the framers had great respect, asserted that “the idea of a double allegiance and citizenship united in the same person, and having reference to two separate, independent, and sovereign nations or governments, is simply an impossibility.”

Yes, I know. Dead white guys.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I let the onlookers decide. I'm just expressing my point of view. And if I do or don't sway someone's thinking – that's OK, too. Have a little fun with it. The summers almost over.

For as long as I've been participating in these forums people have always accused me of having some sort of an agenda on immigration that's driven by my ethnicity and not for love of my country (the U.S.) because I've chosen to post under my real name. Lots of people could never quite grasp the idea that I love this country, but I saw a different path to solving the immigration issue than they did.

We ALWAYS assume that those with whom we don't see eye to eye with have some sort of sinister agenda.

That's wrong but sadly it happens.

[DCPatriot]

For as long as I've been participating in these forums people have always accused me of having some sort of an agenda on immigration that's driven by my ethnicity and not for love of my country (the U.S.) because I've chosen to post under my real name. Lots of people could never quite grasp the idea that I love this country, but I saw a different path to solving the immigration issue than they did.

We ALWAYS assume that those with whom we don't see eye to eye with have some sort of sinister agenda.

That's wrong but sadly it happens.

You don't fool me for a minute, Luis. 

I know you love the USA and have what you think...its best interests at heart.   

[Relic]

For as long as I've been participating in these forums people have always accused me of having some sort of an agenda on immigration that's driven by my ethnicity and not for love of my country (the U.S.) because I've chosen to post under my real name. Lots of people could never quite grasp the idea that I love this country, but I saw a different path to solving the immigration issue than they did.

We ALWAYS assume that those with whom we don't see eye to eye with have some sort of sinister agenda.

That's wrong but sadly it happens.

Why play the victim? Why not own your bias? Your intent isn't evil, but your bias is obvious.

[EdinVA]

For as long as I've been participating in these forums people have always accused me of having some sort of an agenda on immigration that's driven by my ethnicity and not for love of my country (the U.S.) because I've chosen to post under my real name. Lots of people could never quite grasp the idea that I love this country, but I saw a different path to solving the immigration issue than they did.

We ALWAYS assume that those with whom we don't see eye to eye with have some sort of sinister agenda.

That's wrong but sadly it happens.

We are in the age of cynicism.  It is a self protection mechanism as we are bombarded daily by tons of BS from politicians, media, coworkers and government.
It is sad, but understandable.

[DCPatriot]

We are in the age of cynicism.  It is a self protection mechanism as we are bombarded daily by tons of BS from politicians, media, coworkers and government.
It is sad, but understandable.

Worked long and hard for my "Masters" in cynicism.   Cultivated over many, many decades.