Author Topic: Trump 2008: Bush Is Evil, Talk to Iran, Obama Cannot Do Worse Than Bush (Read 7818 times)

truth_seeker · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2015, 10:41:00 pm »

The other candidates must be torn regarding the Trump phenom.

To be For, Against or Neutral? Meanwhile he gets most of the attention and they get little.

Meanwhile I want to hear Trump tell the story of how BOTH parties are the PRPBLEM which have prevented getting MORE done about illegal immigration, because they would not compromise.

Republicans in 2006 and democrats since then.

IF he is in it for the duration, that is where he needs to go for me.

evadR · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2015, 11:31:34 pm »

Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on July 10, 2015, 09:52:45 pm

For seven years now we've been taking about the moronic electorate that would elect Obama TWICE to the White House.

Now we praise the very same electorate for supporting Trump.

LOL..I'm pretty sure the morons that elected Obama, twice, are not the same people supporting Trump.

evadR · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2015, 11:33:48 pm »

The dimocrats OWN all the problems, but no one's mentioning it.

I guess we'll be following the kinder, gentler path again, all the way to defeat.

Charge!!!

sinkspur · « **Reply #28 on:** July 11, 2015, 12:05:29 am »

Trump is exhibit of A of how many saps there are on the conservative side. Like Ross Perot, angry, gullible people put words in Trump's mouth and hear what they want to hear.

It doesn't take much to go back and hear this shyster praise Hillary Clinton, demand amnesty for 30 million illegals, and rail about a much higher corporate tax.

Trump's candidacy is an exercise in jumping up and down and screaming. There is little logic, lots of emotion.

And here I thought conservatives were all about cool-headed reason.

Luis Gonzalez · « **Reply #29 on:** July 11, 2015, 12:18:29 am »

Quote from: evadR² on July 10, 2015, 11:31:34 pm

LOL..I'm pretty sure the morons that elected Obama, twice, are not the same people supporting Trump.

Are they a higher quality moron?

Luis Gonzalez · « **Reply #30 on:** July 11, 2015, 12:23:04 am »

Trump led the polls in 2011 too.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/04/15/poll-donald-trump-leads-2012-gop-field

aligncare · « **Reply #31 on:** July 11, 2015, 12:41:05 am »

Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on July 11, 2015, 12:18:29 am

Are they a higher quality moron?

Trump seems to be pulling support from the same demographic as Reagan; right, left, independents, white collar republicans and blue collar democrats, young and old. That's not exactly the formula for winning a GOP primary unless he's got something up his sleeve. He could play spoiler and threaten to pull support from the GOP, maybe go rogue. Be a powerbroker, demand concessions.

He has certainly added a bit of drama to the GOP race.

sinkspur · « **Reply #32 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:19:51 am »

Quote from: aligncare on July 11, 2015, 12:41:05 am

Trump seems to be pulling support from the same demographic as Reagan; right, left, independents, white collar republicans and blue collar democrats, young and old. That's not exactly the formula for winning a GOP primary unless he's got something up his sleeve. He could play spoiler and threaten to pull support from the GOP, maybe go rogue. Be a powerbroker, demand concessions.

He has certainly added a bit of drama to the GOP race.

What kind of "concessions" could Trump demand? He's a clown, but he could sure sabotage the GOP next year if he decides to go 3rd party. He pointedly declined today to say he would support the eventual nominee.

I cannot believe that anyone is so stupid as to support this rodeo clown.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #33 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:25:06 am »

MAC wrote above:
[[ Those of us on the right are praying for a Bernie Sanders nomination, and those on the left for a Donald Trump. ]]

I'm not praying for that.

What I -would- like to see is a "four-way" race:
Republican candidate Bush;
democrat candidate o'er-the-Hillary;
Socialist party candidate Sanders;
"Restoration" party Trump.

Think of the electoral college scenarios that could spring from that!

MACVSOG68 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:49:48 am »

Quote from: Fishrrman on July 11, 2015, 01:25:06 am

MAC wrote above:
[[ Those of us on the right are praying for a Bernie Sanders nomination, and those on the left for a Donald Trump. ]]

I'm not praying for that.

What I -would- like to see is a "four-way" race:
Republican candidate Bush;
democrat candidate o'er-the-Hillary;
Socialist party candidate Sanders;
"Restoration" party Trump.

Think of the electoral college scenarios that could spring from that!

Sanders would definitely not undermine the Democrats, even Hillary. Trump OTOH would most certainly undermine the GOP. The only electoral college scenario would be one similar to 1992.

NavyCanDo · « **Reply #35 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:55:56 am »

Trump is an Ass. There I said it. And a Progressive one at that. Not getting me behind him no matter where he sits in the polls.

Formerly Once-Ler · « **Reply #36 on:** July 11, 2015, 03:03:08 am »

Quote from: MACVSOG68 on July 10, 2015, 02:01:03 pm

I'm missing how he's moving the ball forward on immigration. No one deserves credit IMHO for using broad brush xenophobic attacks on an entire group of people to instill fear rather than reason. And he deserves all the "great personal cost" he can achieve.

Just as the left loves doing, some on the right are using an incident to create culture changing policies. Just look at Charleston. It's easy to do. Just find a crime committed by an illegal and suggest that they're all like that and have to be deported, not legalized. Been working for ten years. So how much better off are we today?

Hopefully in the end, reasonable people will trump the Trumps on this issue.

Great post!

sinkspur · « **Reply #37 on:** July 11, 2015, 03:44:27 am »

Why would anybody on this site even THINK of supporting Trump?

He voted for Obama in 2008. The SONOFABITCH VOTED FOR OBAMA!!!!

Luis Gonzalez · « **Reply #38 on:** July 11, 2015, 05:01:29 am »

Quote from: sinkspur on July 11, 2015, 03:44:27 am

Why would anybody on this site even THINK of supporting Trump?

He voted for Obama in 2008. The SONOFABITCH VOTED FOR OBAMA!!!!

Yep.

Quote

Newsmax
10/19/2011

Donald Trump recalls with chagrin that he supported Barack Obama for president in 2008, but says he now realizes that those moving hope-and-change speeches were nothing more than rhetoric.

Donald Trump, Obama, Hannity"I was his biggest cheerleader," the multibillionaire businessman told Sean Hannity on his Fox TV show Tuesday night. "If you go back three years, I'm saying, 'Do a great job.' I wanted him to do a great job. I still want him to do a great job.”

However, Trump said, “It's not going to happen because the first thing you'd have to do is end Obamacare. Businesses are going to close down because of Obamacare."

The U.S. economy is a disaster, and the White House is to blame, Trump said.

"I thought he was a positive person, always," Trump said of candidate Obama. "I thought he'd be like a cheerleader for the country. I think he is creating a class warfare that is a very dangerous thing for the country."

DCPatriot · « **Reply #39 on:** July 11, 2015, 10:44:25 am »

Quote from: sinkspur on July 11, 2015, 03:44:27 am

Why would anybody on this site even THINK of supporting Trump?

He voted for Obama in 2008. The SONOFABITCH VOTED FOR OBAMA!!!!

He'd still be a better POTUS than Hillary Clinton.

What this country needs desperately right now is an unabashed dose of free-market capitalism...free of regulations and Executive Orders.

I'll not support Donald Trump for the nomination....but if he's the only one standing at the end?

I'll vote for him, because the Democrat roaches need to be dealt with.

mountaineer · « **Reply #40 on:** July 11, 2015, 12:59:49 pm »

Interesting how his campaign website doesn't bother to post where he stands on issues. Conservatives are giddy over his bashing of illegal immigration, which is fine, but I doubt most have a clue about his other positions, historical or current.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:32:12 pm »

Quote from: sinkspur on July 11, 2015, 12:05:29 am

Trump is exhibit of A of how many saps there are on the conservative side. Like Ross Perot, angry, gullible people put words in Trump's mouth and hear what they want to hear.

It doesn't take much to go back and hear this shyster praise Hillary Clinton, demand amnesty for 30 million illegals, and rail about a much higher corporate tax.

Trump's candidacy is an exercise in jumping up and down and screaming. There is little logic, lots of emotion.

And here I thought conservatives were all about cool-headed reason.

He reminds me of Tom Tancredo. All talk no action.

evadR · « **Reply #42 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:33:41 pm »

Interesting but at this point, not relevant.

Donald is not a serious contender for the nomination so his thoughts on global warming don't really matter.
We know his views on the economy, we know he's a liberal on most social issues, I suspect he's strong on defense and I hear he voted for Obama in 2008 although I don't know for sure.
For sure, we know his thoughts on illegal aliens.
We know he's not a "pure conservative" and that he is a registered republican...what else do we need to know?

aligncare · « **Reply #43 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:41:08 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis on July 11, 2015, 01:32:12 pm

He reminds me of Tom Tancredo. All talk no action.

No action?

The man has successfully negotiated with national and local governments around the world and navigated some of the most intransigent bureaucracies to build some of the most amazing structures in modern time. Made billions for himself and his family doing it. He also created billions more in economic activity. And you sit there and say he's all talk?

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:45:11 pm »

Quote from: aligncare on July 11, 2015, 01:41:08 pm

No action?

The man has successfully negotiated with national and local governments around the world and navigated some of the most intransigent bureaucracies to build some of the most amazing structures in modern time. Made billions for himself and his family doing it. He also created billions more in economic activity. And you sit there and say he's all talk?

Also declared bankrupt many times..

aligncare · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2015, 01:58:13 pm »

I'm not supporting Trump at this point. But I do support accuracy.

Trump never personally declared bankruptcy. But, he has had a couple of his businesses declare bankruptcy. However, with billions in holdings, I've never heard of any successful businessman who has never had one or two of his businesses go under.

By all measures Trump is a hugely successful business tycoon.

ABX · « **Reply #46 on:** July 11, 2015, 05:04:56 pm »

Quote from: aligncare on July 11, 2015, 01:58:13 pm

I'm not supporting Trump at this point. But I do support accuracy.

Trump never personally declared bankruptcy. But, he has had a couple of his businesses declare bankruptcy. However, with billions in holdings, I've never heard of any successful businessman who has never had one or two of his businesses go under.

By all measures Trump is a hugely successful business tycoon.

It isn't that he declared bankruptcy many times, it is how he uses it as a business strategy, a very corrupt one that leaves taxpayers the bill. His business model is based in part in using structured bankruptcies to pass off expenses. Basically, it works like this. Trump has a new golf course he wants to build. He creates a shell company to charge the expenses to during the process. When the process is done, he then sells the completed property back to his main corporation and declares bankruptcy on the shell company, negotiating to pay back the expenses for pennies on the dollar with the taxpayers footing the rest. He does this over and over and over again and hires lobbyists to ensure politicians are on board.

..and this doesn't even get into the worst part of his business strategy- using eminent domain seizures for his own personal gain. That's beyond corrupt, it should be criminal.

massadvj · « **Reply #47 on:** July 11, 2015, 05:18:44 pm »

Personally, I have never been a big fan of Trump and I am certainly not one now. However, I am loathe to jump on the fevered bandwagon of outrage over his mostly accurate depiction of illegals as having a disproportionate number of criminals among their ranks. I think the bigger question than "How could a Donald Trump become so popular?" is this:

"How did the GOP allow such a leadership vacuum to come about that Donald Trump -- Donald Trump -- could become popular?"

alicewonders · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2015, 05:25:29 pm »

Quote from: massadvj on July 11, 2015, 05:18:44 pm

Personally, I have never been a big fan of Trump and I am certainly not one now. However, I am loathe to jump on the fevered bandwagon of outrage over his mostly accurate depiction of illegals as having a disproportionate number of criminals among their ranks. I think the bigger question than "How could a Donald Trump become so popular?" is this:

"How did the GOP allow such a leadership vacuum to come about that Donald Trump -- Donald Trump -- could become popular?"

Succinct and to the point.

ABX · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2015, 05:34:52 pm »

Quote from: massadvj on July 11, 2015, 05:18:44 pm

"How did the GOP allow such a leadership vacuum to come about that Donald Trump -- Donald Trump -- could become popular?"

That's a good point. Like with many things, we have no one to blame but ourselves for this shyster.