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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/02/poll-republican-voters-overwhelmingly-want-members-to-remove-boehner-as-speaker/

by MATTHEW BOYLE 2 Jan 2015Washington, DC614

Republican voters nationwide overwhelmingly want their House representative to elect somebody other than Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) as Speaker of the House, a new poll from Pat Caddell’s organization Caddell Associates shows.

A whopping 60 percent of voters who voted for Republicans in the last election either definitely or probably want their member of Congress to elect someone other than Boehner on Jan. 6, when Congress convenes, according to the poll. The voters were asked: “As you may know the new Congress will select its leaders in January. If it were up to you, would you elect John Boehner to continue as Speaker of the House or would you elect someone new?”

In response to that question, 34 percent of the GOP voters surveyed said they definitely want someone other than Boehner and 26 percent said they probably want someone other than Boehner. Only 11 percent said they definitely want to keep Boehner and an additional 15 percent said they probably want Boehner to stay. So the poll says some 60 percent of GOP voters want Boehner gone, while just 25 percent want him to stay. Fifteen percent in the poll either don’t know, or are undecided on Boehner’s future.

In addition to that condemnation of Boehner, 64 percent of the GOP voters surveyed either strongly or somewhat agree that Boehner, as Speaker of the House, has been “ineffective in opposing President Obama’s agenda.” Only 24 percent either somewhat or strongly disagree. Twelve percent didn’t know.

When asked if they “trust” Boehner to “fight for the issues that are important to most Republicans,” barely more than half of the GOP voters surveyed said they did. Fifty-two percent said they either strongly or somewhat agree that Boehner will fight for Republican issues while 37 percent either disagree Boehner will fight for Republican issues or strongly disagree. Ten percent didn’t know.

When asked if Boehner “has the best interests of the American public at heart, rather than special interests,” less than half of the GOP voters answered in the affirmative. Forty-four percent said they either somewhat or strongly agree Boehner will stand up against special interests for the American public, while 43 percent believe Boehner won’t help Americans over the general public.

The poll was conducted via telephone from Dec. 26 through Dec. 30, and surveyed 602 Republican voters and independents who voted Republican in 2014’s midterm elections. It has a margin of error of four percentage points, meaning the widespread national opposition among Republican voters to Boehner’s speakership continuing is well outside the margin of error.

Boehner is seeking re-election from his Republican colleagues as Speaker on Tuesday, the first day of the new Congress. Though there is no declared candidate challenging Boehner at this time, there is an effort underway among House conservatives to rise up and challenge him using the procedure of the election. The playbook they’re using is the same playbook as the effort that failed at the beginning of the 113th Congress, one where a candidate to challenge Boehner is not needed to beat him. Essentially, Congress can’t start business for 2015 until a Speaker is elected. If enough members present and voting for a person—abstaining doesn’t work—vote for someone other than Boehner or Nancy Pelosi (who will once again be the Democrats’ candidate), then Boehner will not become the Speaker.

That kicks the election to a second ballot, a third, and so on. That means by voting for someone other than Boehner, and not abstaining, members can prevent Boehner from attaining the Speakership—and they do not risk tossing the Speakership to Pelosi by accident.

The thinking among conservatives goes that as long as they hold the line, at some point—on a second ballot, or a third or a fourth—either a viable candidate to challenge Boehner emerges, or Boehner makes serious concessions of the power he has accumulated over the years in the Speaker’s office.

It’s absolutely normal for members to attempt to do this, too, as the Congressional Research Service has actually issued reports after every significant speakership election for years.

“Each new House elects a Speaker by roll call vote when it first convenes,” CRS wrote on Jan. 4, 2013, the day after the failed Boehner coup almost took down the Speaker. “Customarily, the conference of each major party nominates a candidate whose name is placed in nomination. Members normally vote for the candidate of their own party conference, but may vote for any individual, whether nominated or not. To be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of all the votes cast for individuals. This number may be less than a majority (now 218) of the full membership of the House, because of vacancies, absentees, or Members voting ‘present.’”

Throughout the report, it details the processes necessary for a Speaker to get elected. Then it notes how in recent years, more and more members have been willing to buck their own leadership—a trend that has been commonplace throughout U.S. history, especially in the pre-World War II 1900s.

“In 1997, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2011, and 2013, at least one Member voted for a Member of their own party who was not that party’s official nominee,” CRS wrote. “These events seem to manifest a new pattern of behavior in elections for Speaker. Votes cast for other candidates in these years seem more often to have reflected specific circumstances and events than established factions or identifiable political groupings Votes cast for other candidates in these years reflected specific circumstances and events, however, rather than established factions or even identifiable political groupings.”

It remains to be seen if a potential coup attempt—which Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) announced recently during a radio interview was being organized—will be any more successful than the last one. But if enough members hold together to get to that second or third or fourth ballot, it just might be.

Jones said he’s got 18 members together, and RedState’s Erick Erickson said while guest hosting Rush Limbaugh’s radio program recently that there were 25 members together at that point—a sign the rebellion may be growing. But because of the overwhelming Republican victories in the midterm elections, the House GOP majority has grown and more votes will be needed than last Congress to unseat Boehner. If all members of the House on inauguration day are present and voting for a person, the minimum amount of votes for someone other than Boehner necessary to force the second ballot and move to force him out of the speakership is 29 Republicans.

But, making matters worse for leadership is the recent scandal rocking the political world of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. Over the past couple days, there’s been a widespread effort from the political establishment that some in conservative circles have gone along with to protect Scalise from further criticism due to concerns about the left race-baiting, but Scalise is hardly out of the woods yet.

While former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s longtime political hand and former campaign manager Kenneth Knight now says that Scalise spoke to his neighborhood civics association instead of the a Duke-run EURO racist event, Scalise still hasn’t answered any questions about why he even associated with Knight at all.

Knight, Duke’s top political hand, admitted during a Tuesday interview with the Washington Post to donating $1,000 to Scalise’s congressional campaign in 2008, and working actively to get Scalise elected in his 2008 campaign.

“This controversy, Steve Scalise being crucified, is unfortunate,” Knight told the Washington Post’s Bob Costa in the interview. “Steve Scalise is a good man and someone I’ve known for years and have made calls for when he ran for office. I’ve donated $1,000 to his House campaign. I’ve supported him because I like Steve Scalise and not because I’m working on behalf of David Duke, sending him secret messages. Steve was someone who I exchanged ideas with on politics. We wouldn’t talk about race or the Jewish question.”

Knight, Duke’s top political aide, was Scalise’s neighbor and said Scalise was well aware of his politics. But he doesn’t think Scalise saw him as David Duke’s top aide–just as a neighbor, even though he knew of Duke’s relationship with him.

“This all came about because I organized the EURO meeting for David Duke as a courtesy after he had moved to Russia,” Knight told the Post. “I’ve known David for 40 years so I did him a favor. As part of that, I decided to ask Steve, our local representative, to come by and say a few words before the conference started,” Knight said. “He agreed, believing it was going to be neighbors, friends, and family. He saw me not as David Duke’s guy, but as the president of our civic association.”

“Now, at the time, I was a prominent person in state politics,” Knight added. “I was on the radio, I was doing campaigns. Steve knew who I was, but I don’t think he held it against me. He knew I lived by his street and that I was active in our community. And I didn’t see a problem with having him speak.”

Knight also said that the crowd Scalise spoke to was “people who are concerned about the survival of their race.” Duke himself, in a Monday evening interview with the Post, confirmed that his operation post-KKK had a close relationship with Scalise—and that Knight regularly briefed him on issues of importance to white supremacists.

“Scalise would communicate a lot with my campaign manager, Kenny Knight,” Duke said. “That is why he was invited and why he would come. Kenny knew Scalise, Scalise knew Kenny. They were friendly.”

“I think Scalise would talk to Kenny because he recognized how popular I was in his own district,” Duke added. “He knew that knowing what I was doing and saying wouldn’t be the worst thing politically. Kenny would keep Scalise up to date on my issues.”

While Boehner and his top deputy House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy have issued statements defending Scalise for the 2002 event, neither of them nor Scalise himself have answered any questions whatsoever—despite repeated requests for comment to each of them—about Scalise’s political conservations with Knight, his longtime relationship with Knight, Knight’s work for Scalise’s 2008 congressional campaign, and Knight’s $1,000 donation to Scalise’s 2008 campaign. Scalise has also kept the donation—something he could easily return to Knight at any time, even now, if he so chose—while maintaining his silence about his relationship with the former KKK grand wizard’s top political aide.

Booehner is also under fire from the right because in December, after Republicans resoundingly won the midterm elections, he and his team forced through the 1,774-page $1.1 trillion so-called “cromnibus” spending bill. Not one member of the House of Representatives had time to read the bill before it passed the House, and it materially enables President Barack Obama’s executive amnesty by providing funding for it.

And now, weeks later, discoveries about the bill’s contents are still being made. Rick Manning from Americans for Limited Government on Thursday revealed that he found that Republicans actually gave Obama $200 million more for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) than even Obama asked for. Manning writes:

After years of railing against the EPA’s attack on the American economy, failure to respond to Congressional inquiries, using fake email addresses to hide their activities and they like, the House voted to fund the Agency for the rest of the fiscal year with few constraints. Not only did they fund it, but they gave the EPA $200 million more than President Obama requested. You read that right. Obama’s environmental handmaidens who are single-handedly destroying coal production in America, and have announced a new set of regulatory attacks on other fuel sources during the Administration’s last two years are receiving $8.1 billion in funding instead of the $7.9 billion requested.

After Boehner’s leadership on the cromnibus and the Scalise scandal, Obama actually saw a spike in approval ratings. Obama’s approval ratings had been way down in the weeks leading up to the election and afterwards, but a new Gallup polling found that Obama has rebounded to just under 50 percent—he’s at 48 percent now—after working the phones alongside Boehner to get the cromnibus passed and as Republicans get hammered for the Scalise scandal’s racial implications.

So Boehner—and Scalise—may survive. But it’s a powder keg on Capitol Hill and as members return to Washington next week, it remains to be seen if they’ll light a match or douse out the flames and go back to business as usual.
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I would bet that the actual number far exceeds 60%.
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I would bet the same Bigun.

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After years of railing against the EPA’s attack on the American economy, failure to respond to Congressional inquiries, using fake email addresses to hide their activities and they like, the House voted to fund the Agency for the rest of the fiscal year with few constraints. Not only did they fund it, but they gave the EPA $200 million more than President Obama requested. You read that right. Obama’s environmental handmaidens who are single-handedly destroying coal production in America, and have announced a new set of regulatory attacks on other fuel sources during the Administration’s last two years are receiving $8.1 billion in funding instead of the $7.9 billion requested.

Acts like this show you that the GOP is merely the other side of the Demonrat coin...


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http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/395614/new-poll-shows-tepid-gop-support-boehner-role-speaker-jim-geraghty

 New Poll Shows Tepid GOP Support for Boehner in Role of Speaker
By Jim Geraghty
January 2, 2015 7:28 AM

From the final Morning Jolt of the week…

Despite an Ominous New Poll, Speaker Boehner Isn’t Going Anywhere

House Speaker John Boehner is not particularly popular with Republican voters.

We now know just how unenthusiastic Republicans feel from a new poll conducted by Pat Caddell and EMC Research, commissioned by the People’s Poll, in an exclusive to the Morning Jolt/Campaign Spot.

Nine percent of self-identified Republicans and self-described independents who say they lean closer to Republicans say they feel “strongly favorable” about Boehner, and another 34 percent say “somewhat favorable.” Another 23 percent say they’re “somewhat unfavorable,” and another 11 percent say strongly unfavorable. An entire 11 percent say they’ve never heard of John Boehner.

Asked, “If it were up to you, would you elect John Boehner to continue as Speaker of the House or would you elect someone new?”, 11 percent of respondents said “definitely” Boehner, 15 percent said “probably,” 26 percent said “probably” someone new, and 34 percent said someone new, definitely.

When asked whether they agree with the statement, “I trust House Speaker John Boehner to fight for the issues that are important to most Republicans,” 52 percent agreed, 37 percent disagreed. Only 13 percent strongly agreed, 18 percent strongly disagreed.

When asked whether they agree with the statement, “Speaker Boehner has been ineffective in opposing President Obama’s agenda”, 64 percent agreed, 24 percent disagreed. An entire 29 percent strongly agreed, only 9 percent strongly disagreed.

When asked whether they agree with the statement, “House Speaker John Boehner has the best interests of the American public at heart, rather than special interests”, 44 percent agreed, 43 percent disagreed. Only 9 percent strongly agreed, and 20 percent strongly disagreed.

Those aren’t awful numbers, but they’re not exactly warm, either.

Particularly after the Steve Scalese headache – is it conceivable the congressman apologized for attending a meeting he didn’t actually attend? – some folks on the Right are saying this recent brouhaha is the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and that Boehner has to go. For example, Sean Hannity is calling for Boehner to be replaced with Trey Gowdy.

First, basic question: Does Trey Gowdy want to be speaker? The official word is “no.”

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But the conservative South Carolina Republican says he has no interest in becoming Speaker when lawmakers cast their vote on the House floor next month.

“Rep. Gowdy has said his time and attention will continue to be devoted to the work assigned to him,” said Gowdy’s spokeswoman, Amanda Duvall. “He is not interested in any leadership positions and believes one can have influence without the title.”

This past spring, Boehner (R-Ohio) appointed Gowdy as chairman of the special House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. And Boehner recently said Gowdy would remain in that high-profile post in the 114th Congress as well.

This hasn’t stopped the “Elect Trey Gowdy Speaker of the House” Facebook page from getting 21,000 likes and widespread use of the #SpeakerGowdy hashtag.

You can’t beat something with nothing. Replacing Boehner requires a rival that a majority of House Republicans will support – and while it’s understandable that other Republicans might want to hide their ambitions, eventually you need a figure to make this more than a theory or a dream. At this point the “rebellion” against Boehner consists of 16 to 18 guys out of 247 House Republicans.

So it’s cute when Rep. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Republican, Tweets out this…



    …but it doesn’t mean much until there’s an alternative named something besides “Not Boehner.”

    An odd little revelation about John Boehner from a New York Times profile of actor Tony Danza:

    Then there was that earlier meal at Patsy’s when he and Mr. Farah ran into House Speaker John A. Boehner and his family.

    When Mr. Boehner learned that it was Mr. Danza’s birthday, Mr. Farah recalled, “He turns to his family and he goes, ‘Family, what do we do on someone’s birthday?’

    “Mid-meal, they put their things down and sang their own birthday song. It’s like a fight song.

The EMC Research survey polled 602 Republican voters and independents who lean Republican and voted Republican in 2014; the margin of error is +/- 4 percentage points. The poll was conducted from December 26 to 30.
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If they somehow get  Gowdy, please, please somebody convince him to get better haircuts, and learn how to keep it combed.

He sometimes looks like a character from the film "Deliverance."
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They better be careful, they could wind up with Pelosi as speaker.
I'm not sure they know the rules.
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They better be careful, they could wind up with Pelosi as speaker.
I'm not sure they know the rules.
I'm going to predict the Speaker of the House will not be Ted Cruz, or Allen West.

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I'm going to predict the Speaker of the House will not be Ted Cruz, or Allen West.

People criticize the youth, for their fantasy world minds and behavior, but I think they got some of it from their ancestors.
That prediction on West is as solid as they come.
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Just saw "Slim" leave town.

Yes, pretty much.  I predict Boehner will get some Dems to vote for him if this attempt to replace him goes anywhere.  If it goes to a third ballot, probably.
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This is from Drudge. Every photo I see of Boehner, he always looks like a kind of sad sack figure, who always seems to be moments away from bursting out in tears for some reason. It is probably just me, but that is my perception anyway, for what it is worth. 
 

 
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Looks like he needs a hug.
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Looks like he needs a hug.

Ayup.  I'm volunteering.
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I was just over lurking on DU.  I noticed they're spending their time feasting on Republicans.  Came back here and realized we are too.   **nononono*
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Boehner answers to the voters of his district.  It is irrelevant what Republican voters want nationwide.  They are not allowed to vote for the speaker.  It only matters what the GOP congressmen want, and it will be clear that they want Boehner. 

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Boehner answers to the voters of his district.  It is irrelevant what Republican voters want nationwide.  They are not allowed to vote for the speaker.  It only matters what the GOP congressmen want, and it will be clear that they want Boehner.

And there in lies the difference between an unsuccessful Speakership, like Boehner and a successful Speakership, like Pelosi.  There's a pretty good reason why there were dominatrix pics of Pelosi around the 'Net and Cowardly Lion Boehners.
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Screw the voters, they're just stupid American voters.  We should know better than to criticize our betters.  Establishment Always Wins, because that's worked so well for us in the past!
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Screw the voters, they're just stupid American voters.  We should know better than to criticize our betters.  Establishment Always Wins, because that's worked so well for us in the past!
If this was a poll of the voters in Boehner's district it would matter, but read the question again..."If it were up to you, would you elect John Boehner to continue as Speaker of the House or would you elect someone new?"

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It ain't up to them.  Their opinion is irrelevant. 

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Once-Ler wrote (in response to a post by Cyber Liberty):
[[ And don't let my opinion stop you from criticizing your betters if you want to. ]]

Your post reveals much more about you, than it does about C. Liberty.

So... those in Congress are "our betters"? You said it plain as day. Don't try to take it back.

I'll admit I ain't the brightest bulb in the store. But there's one thing I've learned in 65+ years, and that is:
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As Forrest Gump's mom told him, "stupid is as stupid does".

Sounds like you belong in a political system run by kings and queens, not in one in which representatives are elected by ordinary people to represent them in a republican form of government...

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I was just over lurking on DU.  I noticed they're spending their time feasting on Republicans.  Came back here and realized we are too.   **nononono*

Yep. This place is becoming another TOS with just a little less vitriol.  Both sites spend the bulk of posts trashing Republicans.

I just don't get it.
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Once-Ler wrote (in response to a post by Cyber Liberty):
[[ And don't let my opinion stop you from criticizing your betters if you want to. ]]

Your post reveals much more about you, than it does about C. Liberty.

So... those in Congress are "our betters"? You said it plain as day. Don't try to take it back.

You caught me, Fishrrman.  Good job. :thumbsup2:

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I'll admit I ain't the brightest bulb in the store. But there's one thing I've learned in 65+ years, and that is:
Regardless of how much wealth the businessman has, how much gobbledygook the professor churns out, no matter how high in political office a person climbs -- all too often they don't seem to "know much more" than me. If they do, why don't they ACT like they do?

Why don't all successful and learned people act elitist?  I couldn't venture to guess.

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As Forrest Gump's mom told him, "stupid is as stupid does".

Sounds like you belong in a political system run by kings and queens, not in one in which representatives are elected by ordinary people to represent them in a republican form of government...

I believe the GOPe has the support of ordinary people.  That is why voters keep electing so many RINOs.  I like representatives who do what their constituents demand.  I think that is their job.

Representatives are not supposed the take unpopular positions based on their personal principles.  They are supposed to sublimate their opinions.  They are public servants.  Of the people, By the people, and For the People

I also believe fringe conservatives and liberals are the one who want a dictator to tell the people what they need.

Thanx for the Gump quote.  That's a keeper.

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Yep. This place is becoming another TOS with just a little less vitriol.  Both sites spend the bulk of posts trashing Republicans.

I just don't get it.

I don't get it either. But maybe it's because rhetoric is so much easier than accomplishment. Soaring speeches or snide commentary about what should be done or what has been done badly get many accolades. That can happen within minutes or hours. Actually getting legislation passed takes months and usually some compromises. The end result is never as satisfying as the afterglow of a really good speech.

Too bad our Founding Fathers wanted the legislative process to be so slow and deliberate. Remember the description of the Senate as the "cooling saucer"? Today we expect the action to be complete in 60 minutes (including commercials).

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Yep. This place is becoming another TOS with just a little less vitriol.  Both sites spend the bulk of posts trashing Republicans.

I just don't get it.

Imagine for a minute that this represents the whole of the people arranged by political ideology:


For the sake of argument we'll accept that all voters left of center are blue, and all voters right of center are red. The gap in the middle represents true independent voters, or "I vote because it's time to vote" voters.

Most people in the US really don't care much for politics, it's one of the forbidden topics for polite conversation, and the majority of those people make up the bulk of both those triangles.

Forums like ours, TOS and DU are pretty identical in nature since they are populated with people who are A) passionate about politics, B) have a well-defined ideological base, and C) stay informed about politics on a daily basis. The vast and overwhelming majority of the American voter does not participate on Internet political forums.

As a result of that, people in forums dedicated to either side of the political spectrum, detest everyone in the center while erroneously believing that theirs is the greater weight of political ideology in the nation.

Unfortunately, the greater weight of political ideology in the nation is nothing that even closely resembles what we generally see in these forums.

The greater weight is with the center.

That's what so many fail to understand.

I think that after eight years of extreme politics in the WH, the American voter is going to react positively to a more centrist candidate for the Presidency.
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Unfortunately, the greater weight of political ideology in the nation is nothing that even closely resembles what we generally see in these forums.

The greater weight is with the center.

That's what so many fail to understand.

I think that after eight years of extreme politics in the WH, the American voter is going to react positively to a more centrist candidate for the Presidency.

Great post.  I couldn't agree more.