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Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« on: March 10, 2020, 06:33:30 pm »
Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

David Harsanyi     |     March 10, 2020 12:28 PM

After being hammered for his long history of defending Communists — specifically for praising Cuba’s “literacy programs” — Democratic Party presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders is now employing the other age-old, and equally deceptive, defense of socialism.

At a Fox News Town Hall on Monday, Bernie was asked by a Russian immigrant and student from the University of Michigan: Could Sanders assure her that his brand of “democratic socialism” wouldn’t cause the same kind of harm that socialism always causes?

“What happened and existed in the Soviet Union was not socialism. It was authoritarian Communism,” Bernie replied, inducing a bunch of his historically illiterate fans to applaud.

“And Communism,” Bernie goes on, “whether in Cuba, whether in the Soviet Union or whether in other countries was marked by totalitarianism, was marked by throwing millions of people into the Gulag.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/bernie-real-socialism-has-never-been-tried/


It threw millions into the Gulag (and even more millions into their graves) because "real socialism" does not tolerate human nature.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2020, 07:00:59 pm »
Socialism and communism go hand in hand.  Sanders out right lies to the young people of America who are too stupid to know any better.  They do not read.  No reading, no understanding of history, and the events of the past.

Sanders should be considered an insane old fool, which is exactly what he is.  Commune bum to on the government dole for his whole life.  He has done nothing but fill his pockets with gold, just like everyone else in Congress.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2020, 07:10:59 pm »
The “ it didn’t work because the wrong people were running it” line
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2020, 07:15:23 pm »

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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2020, 07:17:58 pm »
Yeah, socialism would be absolutely wonderful, if only it was implemented correctly.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2020, 07:20:31 pm »
When pigs fly.  Power is corrupting, and with socialism, you have power vested with very few people, and the whole system is designed to focus on non productive environments, which destroys everything.  Socialism is as anti American as communism.  There is no difference.  It would destroy this country's work ethic.  No mystery why the young want it, they could not be more lazy.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2020, 07:21:21 pm »
Funny thing about human nature.  People seem to have a natural aversion to being treated like prisoners or slaves.  Go figure.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2020, 07:28:05 pm »
What Comrade Bernie conveniently overlooks is that socialism i.e. the forced "equalization" of everybody is authoritarianism.  It is trying to pound the square peg of authoritarianism into the round hole of reality/human nature...it just doesn't fit.
What you will have is a tiny group of people at the top running things getting fat and rich like the Chavezes and the Castros and the Maos living like kings while the common people do without.
It would be great, though, to see all the Silicon Valley millionaires and billionaires who are pro-Bernie if Bernie wins. 
The look on their faces when the mob comes around to their mansions to confiscate their homes, cars, boats, planes, etc. would be priceless.
"But we voted for Bernie to help the poor and oppressed" they'll wail as the mob sends hundreds of filthy, diseased, crazy homeless into their kingly abodes and relieves them of their "unnecessary"wealthy possessions. 
EVERYBODY OWNS EVERYTHING will be the new motto of The Socialist States Of America.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2020, 07:47:43 pm »
"No true Scotsman" fallacy

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No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.

As an example, Bernie says, "Socialism is better than capitalism!"  When someone points out a number of examples where socialism lead to bad outcomes (i.e., Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela...), Bernie responds, "But that wasn't real Socialism!"
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2020, 07:57:15 pm »
Has anyone compiled a list of statements of Bernie's supposedly "long history of condemning authoritarian regimes?"
I couldn't find a thing.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2020, 08:41:55 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on March 10, 2020, 07:21:21 pm
Funny thing about human nature.  People seem to have a natural aversion to being treated like prisoners or slaves.  Go figure.

That includes prisoners and slaves themselves
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2020, 09:17:30 pm »
Where Bernie is wrong: Socialism, of a necessity, is always a whistle stop on the road to tyranny. By it's nature it can be nothing else.
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Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2020, 10:06:48 pm »
   Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
By David Harsanyi

March 10, 2020 12:28 PM

After being hammered for his long history of defending Communists — specifically for praising Cuba’s “literacy programs” — Democratic Party presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders is now employing the other age-old, and equally deceptive, defense of socialism.

At a Fox News Town Hall on Monday, Bernie was asked by a Russian immigrant and student from the University of Michigan: Could Sanders assure her that his brand of “democratic socialism” wouldn’t cause the same kind of harm that socialism always causes?

“What happened and existed in the Soviet Union was not socialism. It was authoritarian Communism,” Bernie replied, inducing a bunch of his historically illiterate fans to applaud.

“And Communism,” Bernie goes on, “whether in Cuba, whether in the Soviet Union or whether in other countries was marked by totalitarianism, was marked by throwing millions of people into the Gulag.”

The fact that there were varying degrees of socialist disasters is, of course, inarguable. Israel’s early socialistic experiment merely kept many people poor, while Russia’s socialism kept many people starving. Neither worked.

But leftists like Bernie like to act as if socialist ideology is incompatible with totalitarianism, when the opposite is true. The nationalization of industry and dispensing with property rights — necessary for any genuine socialism to occur — can’t be instituted without coercion and a centralized authoritarian effort. And even if the effort to redistribute property is first supported by the majority, as soon the state comes for your stuff — and it always does — the “democratic” part of the equation starts to dissipate.

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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2020, 10:25:54 pm »
All those poor people that suffered in those countries that skimped and only bought the generic brand of socialism, if only their leaders had sprung for name brand full featured socialism they would have had to starve and suffer. Funny in all the time and places that tried socialism no one thought to try 'Real Socialism'............imagine.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2020, 10:27:25 pm »
If you had to choose between president Biden and president Sanders which would it be?
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2020, 10:30:41 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 10, 2020, 10:27:25 pm
If you had to choose between president Biden and president Sanders which would it be?

Neither.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2020, 10:34:19 pm »
Quote from: austingirl on March 10, 2020, 07:57:15 pm
Has anyone compiled a list of statements of Bernie's supposedly "long history of condemning authoritarian regimes?"
I couldn't find a thing.

Your problem is, you don't define "authoritarian" the same way the Bern Bros do.  Ronald Reagan, both Bushes and Donald Trump are "authoritarians," and he condemns them every time he takes a breath.

The Castro Bros were/are not authoritarians, they are agrarians.  Silly.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2020, 10:34:47 pm »
Neither. Not. Nope. No can do.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2020, 10:34:49 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on March 10, 2020, 10:30:41 pm
Neither.

You're not being a good sport.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2020, 10:36:01 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 10, 2020, 10:34:49 pm
You're not being a good sport.

Yeah, I get that a lot.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2020, 10:37:44 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on March 10, 2020, 10:36:01 pm
Yeah, I get that a lot.

I just want you to admit that Bernie is a better human being than that corporatist trash candidate Joe Biden, even if his views are flawed.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2020, 10:48:12 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 10, 2020, 10:37:44 pm
I just want you to admit that Bernie is a better human being than that corporatist trash candidate Joe Biden, even if his views are flawed.

That ain't likely, as I don't believe either one is a 'better' hoomin bean.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2020, 10:49:17 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 10, 2020, 10:27:25 pm
If you had to choose between president Biden and president Sanders which would it be?

That's a choice only for Democrats.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2020, 10:51:30 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 10, 2020, 10:37:44 pm
I just want you to admit that Bernie is a better human being than that corporatist trash candidate Joe Biden, even if his views are flawed.

That's how you get somebody to tell you to go to Hell.  They're both pieces of shit, one's cow shit, the other is horse shit.  It's still all shit no matter how much you try to polish it.  You're looking for a smackdown in record time, Dex.
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Re: Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2020, 11:00:51 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2020, 10:51:30 pm
That's how you get somebody to tell you to go to Hell.  They're both pieces of shit, one's cow shit, the other is horse shit.  It's still all shit no matter how much you try to polish it.  You're looking for a smackdown in record time, Dex.

 :shrug:

I think Bernie genuinely wants to help people even if he isn't using the right methods. I think Joe is garbage that doesn't care about anything but his next bribe. To me that difference matters. You know I lean further left than anybody else on this forum, yet you tolerate me and seem to accept that I'm not human filth. I like to think I have earned a little bit of your respect even if you disagree with a lot of my opinions. Can the same not be true of Bernie?
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