Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

[Smokin Joe]

Look up his net worth and compare it to anybody else in the senate that has been there for more than a handful of years. Again, he has been a senator for a very long time, and has been in politics for more than three decades. He's also had two strong runs for president now. His wealth is actually surprisingly low considering all of that.

Yeah, but he's a Socialist, which usually implies he isn't all that good at handling money, or he'd be playing on the Capitalist team.

[LMAO]

If you had to choose between president Biden and president Sanders which would it be?

 If those are my only two choices and I had to pick, probably Biden. Biden has his issues but Sander’s  dedication to his ideology is dangerous

[truth_seeker]

He could have been, it was 1988.

Even if the dates were off, the meaning rings true.

While Bernie was taking in the joys of his beloved USSR, East Germans were trapped behind the Berlin Wall. The economic and personal freedoms of the two Germany's were far different.

You cannot visit Moscow in 1988, run for Pres. of the USA as a "democrat socialist," , and not have to answer for the millions of dead subject under communism.

[libertybele]

Socialism has never been tried in this country because we ARE a REPUBLIC!  No room for socialism. The closest thing to socialism in this country is leftist liberalism. Liberalism didn't work in the past, won't work now and sure as heck won't work in the future! 

[Hoodat]

I just want you to admit that Bernie is a better human being than that corporatist trash candidate Joe Biden, even if his views are flawed.

I could not disagree more.  Joe Biden is in politics solely for his own enrichment.  He has assumed a position that he is able to hold by exercising minimal responsibility.  He puts his own self-serving interest ahead of anything else and is not willing to jeopardize that.

Contrast that with Bernie Sanders who wishes to impose a tried and tested philosophy that in the last century has resulted in the deaths of over 100 million people, a philosophy that guarantees poverty and destroys the human spirit.  Bernie Sanders represents the greatest evil ever perpetrated on man.  And the fact that he still desires this at this late stage of his life with so much proof of its effects marking history only makes that evil more egregious.

[Bigun]

You don't seem like filth to me, just maybe a little misguided.  Bernie Sanders, however, I can't stand.  He's a parasite that never held down a job until he hopped on the government gravy train when he got elected Mayor of Burlington.  He's been a shiftless leach ever since, known for exactly three bills introduced as a Senator, two of them for renaming post offices.  He's the epitome of a sinecure-sucking pol.  He lives the very worst instincts of the Left.  He believes his own lectures and that I cannot abide.

And don't get me started on how he treated his first wife (not the one he Honeymooned in Moscow with).

    

[Hoodat]

I think Bernie genuinely wants to help people even if he isn't using the right methods.

Bernie doesn't want to help people.  He wants to control them.

[Bigun]

I think Bernie genuinely wants to help people even if he isn't using the right methods. I think Joe is garbage that doesn't care about anything but his next bribe. To me that difference matters. You know I lean further left than anybody else on this forum, yet you tolerate me and seem to accept that I'm not human filth. I like to think I have earned a little bit of your respect even if you disagree with a lot of my opinions. Can the same not be true of Bernie?

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

[Hoodat]

We’d put the right people in charge and do it the right way, the American Democratic Socialists would say.  ... 

As did Germany's Anton Drexler.

[Smokin Joe]

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

Yep. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Or, as Mr. Carlson said to Les Nessman , "I thought turkeys could fly!"

[Hoodat]

Does this look like a mansion to you?

From the air, it looks like a property that 99.9% of Americans couldn't afford. 



He had to have put down over half a mil on it, not that it matters.  I really don't give a damn how much money Bernie Sanders makes.  Yet he seems to intimately care about how much money I make.  Go figure.

[Absalom]

The earliest cultures of the Fertile Crescent had a strong communal impulse which was voluntary, as it was often necessary for their survival. These included Semites;the Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, Phoenicians, among several tribes.
Many thousands of years later, the French Enlightenment, buttressed by the birth of Capitalism,
insisted that material betterment was Man's highest calling. Over time as wealth expanded
a collective impulse was born which was non-voluntary and later labeled Marxism and/or Socialism. Reflect a moment:
Early Man had a strong spiritual sense that embraced the communal, if it was voluntary.
Later Man replaced that sense w/materialism and now embraces non-voluntary collectivism.
Those who insist that changing political parties will alter this fundamental clash of values,
need a brain transplant.

[Fishrrman]

Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

Wasn't it Comrade Lenin who proclaimed that the goal of "socialism" was communism...?

[Hoodat]

I wonder if Bernie was on honeymoon in Moscow, while President Reagan told Gorbachev to "Tear Down This Wall?"

It was one year later.  Reagan's speech was in June '87.  Sanders' honeymoon was in June '88.

Here's a video of him sitting around shirtless drinking and singing with some real live Soviets.

https://twitter.com/m_mendozaferrer/status/1089879769477459975

[GtHawk]

I know his consistency on the issues is rivaled only by the likes of Ron Paul, which leads me to believe he has real passion for what he says and isn't just saying whatever he can to get votes. That alone separates him from the majority of politicians.

Comparing one crazy old White man to another Crazy old White man leaves you with just crazy. Anyone that believes a socialist/communist (two sides of the same coin) wants to genuinely help people is really fundamentally missing the historical realities of socialism/communism which has only created death and misery anywhere it has been implemented.

Bernie can take his benevolence to Venezuela and show them how to do it right first before he tries to sink our Republic.

[sneakypete]

And it never will because it is contrary to human nature.

[sneakypete]

I think Bernie genuinely wants to help people even if he isn't using the right methods. I think Joe is garbage that doesn't care about anything but his next bribe. 

@Dexter

I agree. One is a well-meaning starry-eyed fool,and the other is nothing more than a retarded criminal.

The rational choice for President is "neither of the above".

[Dexter]

@Dexter

I agree. One is a well-meaning starry-eyed fool,and the other is nothing more than a retarded criminal.

The rational choice for President is "neither of the above".

I'm glad that you can at least agree that he's well-meaning. Biden is not, and to me that matters. I think if we had to choose one Bernie would be better. He's not going to usher in socialism; that'll never happen, largely because it's ultimately impractical and impossible. He'd more likely go in there and start running his mouth about the special interests that run politics and prevent anything real from happening.

Are the Scandinavian countries socialist? I'm not saying we could successfully emulate everything they do, but really it is their way of doing things that Bernie has been advocating for for more than 30 years now. I can go find the speeches if anybody doesn't think so. I think if you break it down the Scandinavian countries are not actually socialist. They are capitalist nations with large social safety nets. If he wanted to work on his image he could call himself a Nordic capitalist instead, and I think it wouldn't be inaccurate.

[catfish1957]

I think if we had to choose one Bernie would be better.

Cannabis and computer posting are a tricky combination. 

Drop the bong, and re-think what you have said.

[Dexter]

Cannabis and computer posting are a tricky combination. 

Drop the bong, and re-think what you have said.

I trust honest and well-meaning people more than bought and paid for snakes, even if their views are misguided. If forced to choose I'd take a genuine and passionate Sanders over Scumbag Joe any day. I think Bernie is to the left what Trump is to the right, a populist that truly embodies the views of his respective crowd. That's why both of those candidates can rally crowds that number in the 10s of thousands. I'd rather see a real conversation between two candidates that actually represent the people that vote for them. That's how it should be, rather than the norm of pulling the lever for the candidate that makes you slightly less sick to your stomach.

[catfish1957]

I trust honest and well-meaning people more than bought and paid for snakes, even if their views are misguided. If forced to choose I'd take a genuine and passionate Sanders over Scumbag Joe any day. I think Bernie is to the left what Trump is to the right, a populist that truly embodies the views of his respective crowd. That's why both of those candidates can rally crowds that number in the 10s of thousands. I'd rather see a real conversation between two candidates that actually represent the people that vote for them. That's how it should be, rather than the norm of pulling the lever for the candidate that makes you slightly less sick to your stomach.

Commie Bernie may be less intellectually dishonest, but it still doesn't mask he is a communist.  You don't let anyone within a 100 miles of the WH with those credentials.  Putting him there, pretty much sticks a finger in the eye of anyone or anyone's family who gave during the cold war.  Even feigned praise for this son of a bitch is uncalled for.

[Dexter]

Commie Bernie may be less intellectually dishonest, but it still doesn't mask he is a communist.  You don't let anyone within a 100 miles of the WH with those credentials.  Putting him there, pretty much sticks a finger in the eye of anyone or anyone's family who gave during the cold war.  Even feigned praise for this son of a bitch is uncalled for.

Are the Scandinavian countries communist?

[EdinVA]

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[roamer_1]

Are the Scandinavian countries communist?

I wish folks would quit hiding behind the Nordic countries as some sort of socialist nirvana.

First of all, they are tiny by comparison, with an homogeneous population.
Second of all, they have no defense budget to worry about, being under the jurisdiction of NATO countries... Namely US.

And even without a direct cost for defense, they are not doing very well, as their high cost socialist programs have inflated their economy tremendously.

[catfish1957]

I wish folks would quit hiding behind the Nordic countries as some sort of socialist nirvana.

First of all, they are tiny by comparison, with an homogeneous population.
Second of all, they have no defense budget to worry about, being under the jurisdiction of NATO countries... Namely US.

And even without a direct cost for defense, they are not doing very well, as their high cost socialist programs have inflated their economy tremendously.

Refused to argue the point on silly semantics.  The really only big difference between communism, and socialism is a totalitarian government.  Secretly ask any socialistic head of state, and they would confide they'd prefer it that way.