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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2018, 04:17:43 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 20, 2018, 04:13:22 pm
Good for defense industries?

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Not a good enough reason for me.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2018, 04:25:14 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on December 20, 2018, 04:15:06 pm

Sorry but Russia has been acting like an a**..  Ask Ukraine. They stole land from them. Russia is allied with Iran.


So why tell me again why we should appease Russia? Comrade?

We should do what is best for us regardless of what Russia thinks or wants. If something that's good for us happens to please Russia I really don't care. Also Russia didn't need to use ongoing force in Crimea. Do you know why? It's because almost everybody in Crimea identifies as Russian and wanted to rejoin Russia. Years later they are very happy to be part of Russia rather than Ukraine. The only one with an issue is the Ukrainian government.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2018, 04:28:15 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on December 20, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
We should do what is best for us regardless of what Russia thinks or wants. If something that's good for us happens to please Russia I really don't care. Also Russia didn't need to use ongoing force in Crimea. Do you know why? It's because almost everybody in Crimea identifies as Russian and wanted to rejoin Russia. Years later they are very happy to be part of Russia rather than Ukraine. The only one with an issue is the Ukrainian government.

Have you ever wondered why it is the people in Crimea identify as Russians?
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2018, 04:32:36 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2018, 04:28:15 pm
Have you ever wondered why it is the people in Crimea identify as Russians?

Because it was part of Russia during the time of the USSR. I'm not going to say Putin was completely justified because he wasn't, but I really don't see it as a huge deal like many people do. The people there are happy and there was very little violence involved. I don't think Russia is going to start conquering Europe.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2018, 04:33:29 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on December 20, 2018, 04:17:11 pm
That's a little too cartoonish for me.

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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2018, 04:38:30 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on December 20, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
We should do what is best for us regardless of what Russia thinks or wants. If something that's good for us happens to please Russia I really don't care. Also Russia didn't need to use ongoing force in Crimea. Do you know why? It's because almost everybody in Crimea identifies as Russian and wanted to rejoin Russia. Years later they are very happy to be part of Russia rather than Ukraine. The only one with an issue is the Ukrainian government.


Wow, someone who loves Russia.. Any American who likes Russia is a traitor.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2018, 04:41:22 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on December 20, 2018, 04:32:36 pm
Because it was part of Russia during the time of the USSR. I'm not going to say Putin was completely justified because he wasn't, but I really don't see it as a huge deal like many people do. The people there are happy and there was very little violence involved. I don't think Russia is going to start conquering Europe.

Close but no cigar.  Crimea has a very large population of ethnic Russians because the USSR imported a massive number of Russians into Ukraine by force, displacing the native Crimean.  For some odd reason the native Ukraine people objected to this forced change in demographics.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2018, 04:51:42 pm »
Lots of Tatars there in Crimea. I think this argument which has been made many times, is if one says, Crimea use to be part of Russia, it was part of Turkey as well at one time.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2018, 04:52:21 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2018, 04:41:22 pm
Close but no cigar.  Crimea has a very large population of ethnic Russians because the USSR imported a massive number of Russians into Ukraine by force, displacing the native Crimean.  For some odd reason the native Ukraine people objected to this forced change in demographics.

Well it is what it is now. The population living in that region identifies as Russian, and there isn't a realistic way to undo it.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2018, 04:54:47 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on December 20, 2018, 04:38:30 pm

Wow, someone who loves Russia.. Any American who likes Russia is a traitor.

Whatever.

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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2018, 04:55:35 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on December 20, 2018, 04:32:36 pm
Because it was part of Russia during the time of the USSR.

The Soviet Union made Crimea part of Ukraine.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2018, 05:01:37 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 20, 2018, 04:55:35 pm
The Soviet Union made Crimea part of Ukraine.

Crimea was part of Russia until around that time period. I could have worded it better.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2018, 05:18:57 pm »
Yes, it all could change, Russia has plenty of opposition that would allow truly free elections in Crimea. Not that farce of one that was held. I'd double check also, a lot of the figures given out saying most in Crimea are Russian. A lot of times, these figures don't actually pan out. Russia could change and furthermore, Russia itself may struggle greatly per demographics.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2018, 05:25:10 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on December 20, 2018, 05:18:57 pm
Yes, it all could change, Russia has plenty of opposition that would allow truly free elections in Crimea. Not that farce of one that was held. I'd double check also, a lot of the figures given out saying most in Crimea are Russian. A lot of times, these figures don't actually pan out. Russia could change and furthermore, Russia itself may struggle greatly per demographics.

The Soviets did the same thing to Lithuania.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2018, 05:34:32 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2018, 12:55:49 pm
What are we doing in Syria?  Anyone know?

How much $$$ was spent by the USA for operations in Syria over the past 12 months?   :shrug:
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2018, 06:06:16 pm »
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How much $$$ was spent by the USA for operations in Syria over the past 12 months?   :shrug:

Over $1 trillion less than what Trump spent in excess of existing revenues.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2018, 06:38:02 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2018, 12:55:49 pm
What are we doing in Syria?  Anyone know?

Ever hear of ISIS?

Also, no doubt, a lot of fighters and terrorists who killed Americans, came out of Syria.  Bush admin even considered invading Syria and Syria straightened up.

US Judge Rules Assad Helped Al-Qaeda Kill Americans
https://clarionproject.org/us-judge-rules-assad-helped-al-qaeda-kill-americans/

This all, if we withdraw, also can help enable Iran to really be on Israel's doorstep. So, it is a situation to watch.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2018, 06:39:06 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 20, 2018, 06:06:16 pm
Over $1 trillion less than what Trump spent in excess of existing revenues.

Oh, beautiful, get your punches in on Trump.  **nononono*
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2018, 06:42:00 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on December 20, 2018, 06:38:02 pm
This all, if we withdraw, also can help enable Iran to really be on Israel's doorstep. So, it is a situation to watch.

That train left the station when Iran effectively annexed Lebanon and Syria decades ago.  They already are on Israel's doorstep.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2018, 06:43:22 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on December 20, 2018, 06:39:06 pm
Oh, beautiful, get your punches in on Trump.  **nononono*

Nice.  So when someone defends Trump's sudden move in Syria by making it a cost issue, no one is allowed to counter that?  Didn't realize I was in the Trump Safe Space.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2018, 06:48:59 pm »
Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement saying that withdrawal of US troops from Syria will not affect Israel’s ability to secure its citizens.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2018, 06:52:23 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on December 20, 2018, 06:48:59 pm
Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement saying that withdrawal of US troops from Syria will not affect Israel’s ability to secure its citizens.

Duh, what else can he say?  Should he announce to the world how weak and defenseless Israel will be if America withdraws?  Heck, we could sign a military alliance with Hamas, and Netahyahu would still say that Israel's ability to secure its citizens would not be affected.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2018, 07:21:13 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 20, 2018, 06:43:22 pm
Nice.  So when someone defends Trump's sudden move in Syria by making it a cost issue, no one is allowed to counter that?  Didn't realize I was in the Trump Safe Space.

No safe spaces...just wondering how many feet of fence could be installed with the same amount of cash.
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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2018, 07:33:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2018, 06:42:00 pm
That train left the station when Iran effectively annexed Lebanon and Syria decades ago.  They already are on Israel's doorstep.

The train may have left the station as you say but this is a clear concern of Netanyahu and Israel currently.  Hezbollah has been in Beirut, Iranian proxies so this is somewhat obvious. Israel has not carried out numerous strikes in Syria for nothing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-israel-idUSKCN1OJ1BS

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No safe spaces...just wondering how many feet of fence could be installed with the same amount of cash.

I'm not saying this in particular to be critical of Obama but how much was the Iran deal worth? And how much did Iran receive?  I think the number is something like $150 billion. I said this earlier, but I think that amount easily would pay for a few walls. This really is not relevant to the conversation in anyway except in showing the kinds of amounts of money that are out there. Are they saying the wall could be paid for with 4.5 billion? Or is it 12 billion now? Anyway, just adding that in.

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Re: Sasse on Syria withdrawal: ‘American allies will be slaughtered’
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2018, 07:35:57 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on December 20, 2018, 04:38:30 pm

Wow, someone who loves Russia.. Any American who likes Russia is a traitor.

It always makes me laugh when F Trumpers say the very Trumpian things that sound like Trump but are so very egregious and dictatorish.
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