Was the Las Vegas Gunman's Homicidal Rage Politically Motivated?

[driftdiver]

Well, yeah, if that 'single person' had a cape.  But this is a 64 year old dude whose main exercise has been at the gaming tables.

@Emjay
What task was so difficult?

[roamer_1]

Well, yeah, if that 'single person' had a cape.  But this is a 64 year old dude whose main exercise has been at the gaming tables.

Well, I am beat down and gimped up pretty good - but I think I could easily handle the task. Outside of the mass killing of hoomin beans, I don't see any of this as being difficult, especially considering his wallet.

[Emjay]

Well, I am beat down and gimped up pretty good - but I think I could easily handle the task. Outside of the mass killing of hoomin beans, I don't see any of this as being difficult, especially considering his wallet.

Why are people here so determined to convince me that the shooter did not have help? 

I think it's obvious that he did.

Information is coming out in small dribbles but I think y'all will end up agreeing with me.

[roamer_1]

Why are people here so determined to convince me that the shooter did not have help? 

I think it's obvious that he did.

Information is coming out in small dribbles but I think y'all will end up agreeing with me.

Your position that he HAD to have help is untenable. Whether he had help or not is beside the point.
There is nothing in the actions required that could not have been done alone.

[Sanguine]

Why are people here so determined to convince me that the shooter did not have help? 

I think it's obvious that he did.

Information is coming out in small dribbles but I think y'all will end up agreeing with me.

I don't think anyone is trying to convince you one way or the other.  So far, there just isn't any evidence that he had any help - or needed any help.

[Smokin Joe]

Sometimes the lack of info coming from an investigation can be just as telling.

The shooter put a lot of effort and time into doing what he did. He had a motive.
No one puts such a detailed plan together without a strong motive. The FBI has
spend days going thru all his stuff. It seems reasonable the FBI knows
what his motivation was. But they are not saying? Why?

The only why they are not saying that makes sense is that he was a progressive
Marxist perpetrating violence on conservatives as he has been encouraged to do
by the media and leading democrats.

As a Trump support that has a presence on the internet I personally know first
hand how hateful the left is towards those of us that speak out in defense and
support of Trump. Some of them even celebrated the massacre in Veges since
it was just white Trump voters that were murdered.

One of the early videos of the scene showed a black woman saying 'this sh*t just got real' and then launching into a rant about Trump when the clip ended. There is so much unhinged hatred on the Left (unlike those who opposed Trump on the Right for moral reasons) nothing would surprise me.

Hate groups on the Left include the ever bolder BLM, Antifa, the Rainbow bunch, and others who are just batsh*t crazy with hate, with every possible motivation for ginning up violence being exploited by their handlers in the Media, the Schools (higher ed, especially), and everyone taught their cause is 'righteous' because they are a 'victim'. There are more little snowflakes blowing around out there than in a North Dakota blizzard, and the trend toward legalizing mind/mood altering substances hasn't done anyone any favors when it comes to clarity of thought.

Remember this?

After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go. (Valerie Jarrett)

No doubt that is in the twisted catechism of the Left, chapter and worse.

[musiclady]

I don't think anyone is trying to convince you one way or the other.  So far, there just isn't any evidence that he had any help - or needed any help.

So far as we have been TOLD..........

[Suppressed]

Well, yeah, if that 'single person' had a cape.  But this is a 64 year old dude whose main exercise has been at the gaming tables.

You realize there are escalators in the hotel.  He made several trips to carry the weapons up.  He took a while to transition between nests.  I'm not sure what you think is so strenuous.

[Sanguine]

So far as we have been TOLD..........

Well, yes.  I'm sure there's a lot that is known, but not publicly. 

[Emjay]

Your position that he HAD to have help is untenable. Whether he had help or not is beside the point.
There is nothing in the actions required that could not have been done alone.

Oh, no, it is very tenable. 

I'm curious as to the frantic attempts here to discourage investigation into the shooter. 

What's the deal?  It is far more likely that he had help than that he didn't.

But, anyway, it's certainly worth looking into.

[roamer_1]

You realize there are escalators in the hotel.  He made several trips to carry the weapons up. 

Nah... he slipped a fifty to a bellhop.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, yeah, if that 'single person' had a cape.  But this is a 64 year old dude whose main exercise has been at the gaming tables.

Bottom line, the guy had a high roller rating. Casinos who rate customers thus will cater to them, and 'comp' a lot to get them at their tables. You need a couple of crates moved to your room? Yes sir/m'am, we'll get right on it--and it happens. You don't even have to unload them. It could be a statue in there, who cares, the guy bought his wallet. Short of dropping something and finding out what's inside, it could all be hauled up for him, no biggie, especially if the arms were broken down and moved in suitcases. Just set the bags there, thanks, no questions asked, thanks for the tip, sir, please call if you need anything else.
If you have the status and the money, things get considerably easier than hauling all that gear up 32 flights of stairs.

[Suppressed]

Nah... he slipped a fifty to a bellhop.

Yes, and I meant elevators, too.

I don't know what's going on with my brain this afternoon... long week!

[Smokin Joe]

Nah... he slipped a fifty to a bellhop.

Exactly. I'd be pretty sure there are service elevators to every level. Roll on/roll off with a baggage cart.

[Emjay]

Yes, and I meant elevators, too.

I don't know what's going on with my brain this afternoon... long week!

TGIF

The point is this is an extraordinary undertaking.  Yes, it could physically be done but it is far more likely that it involved other people.

I guess I'll have to head over to TOS to find some conspiracy nuts.

[roamer_1]

Oh, no, it is very tenable. 

In what way? What is it that made this too difficult for him to do alone?

I'm curious as to the frantic attempts here to discourage investigation into the shooter. 

I am not discouraging investigation into the shooter. But the coin of that realm needfully, is FACTS.
It is not factual that he could not do this thing alone. As a matter of fact, I am comfortable with the idea that I could do the required actions alone, and I am considerably less capable than he.

What's the deal?  It is far more likely that he had help than that he didn't.

According to whom?

But, anyway, it's certainly worth looking into.

Sure. BTW, The thing that has never made sense to me is the dual sniper perches. There is no need.

[musiclady]

TGIF

The point is this is an extraordinary undertaking.  Yes, it could physically be done but it is far more likely that it involved other people.

I guess I'll have to head over to TOS to find some conspiracy nuts.

Don't do that! 

You'll come back smelling bad.   

[Smokin Joe]

Oh, no, it is very tenable. 

I'm curious as to the frantic attempts here to discourage investigation into the shooter. 

What's the deal?  It is far more likely that he had help than that he didn't.

But, anyway, it's certainly worth looking into.

It boils down to this:

Did he HAVE to have help (aside from the usual bellhop/cab stuff)?

No.

Did he have help?

Quite possibly. There may have been others involved.

IF he had help, were they 'in on it'?

Maybe, maybe not. People get real helpful when there are deep pockets involved. When someone is a buyer or a player and not just putting nose prints on the glass, and if they are known to be a buyer or player, they'll get more help than most average schmucks. That obsequiousness on the part of the people who did stuff for him isn't a sign that they were involved in any criminal conspiracy or had any knowledge of the baggage they moved or the eventual use of the things they sold, it's just ordinary business practice.

[Emjay]

Don't do that! 

You'll come back smelling bad.   

I know.

But this thing does smell bad.  The media has pretty much lost interest in it.  (Of course)  But my Facebook page is full of interesting stuff.

The shooter's brother, who originally gave a fairly sane interview, has now done a crazed rant about his brother.

The FBI is now saying they have stuff they can't share yet.

Doesn't anyone wonder why this guy would decide to commit mass murder?  I do.

[Bigun]

@Emjay @musiclady

If you were working this case and there were leads to others who were involved would you be talking about that in public?  I sure wouldn't!

[Emjay]

@Emjay @musiclady

If you were working this case and there were leads to others who were involved would you be talking about that in public?  I sure wouldn't!

I would not.

I totally understand that.

What I don't understand is being shot down on this forum so quickly and vehemently for advancing doubts.

[Suppressed]

If you have the status and the money, things get considerably easier than hauling all that gear up 32 flights of stairs.

Yup.  I used to have the job of doing just that for guests of means.  I didn't want to know what was going on with my guests' business!

Not just being a bellman, but I was a limo driver and did things like chauffeur a pizza up a mountain.

[truth_seeker]

At this stage in the investigation there is plenty of information about motive. It's just not being released.

How do you (we) know anything, if it is not being released?

[DB]

I would not.

I totally understand that.

What I don't understand is being shot down on this forum so quickly and vehemently for advancing doubts.

Because there have been no details released so far that indicated he needed help. Everything he did that is known to the public is very doable by a man in his sixties and beyond. That doesn't mean we are arguing that he didn't have help, the point is based on what is known he didn't have to have help to do what he did. Nothing more, nothing less.

[musiclady]

@Emjay @musiclady

If you were working this case and there were leads to others who were involved would you be talking about that in public?  I sure wouldn't!

Nope.  I hope they stay quiet until they know something concrete.