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The Kavanaugh Opening
The Road Beyond Executive Power in the Birthright Citizenship Debate

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Every outlet covering Trump v. Barbara is calling Kavanaugh's opinion a "concurrence."

It isn't.

He dissented from the majority's constitutional reasoning while voting for the result, then handed Congress a narrower, statutory road the majority never closed, one they themselves called internally inconsistent.

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Six votes to affirm the judgment. Five votes for the reasoning behind it. That gap is not a technicality. It is the whole story.

The Last Wire breaks down what Kavanaugh's opinion actually says, where the majority pushed back on him directly, and why the next round of this fight happens in Congress, not the courts and not the White House.

Full breakdown at The Last Wire

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Here you go @Bigun

I read it @Luis Gonzalez and fail to understand how you, or Justice Kavanaugh, can believe that there is any legislative path short of another amendment to the constitution that would correct what the majority has held in this case i.e. that the constitution itself (14th amendment) confers citizenship on anyone who happens to be born on U. S. soil regardless of circumstance.

I sincerely want to be wrong but my brain says no.

The article I posted here yesterday is a very good primer on the subject.


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Trump v. Barbara constitutionalizes a policy that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment and the Founders would have soundly rejected.
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I read it @Luis Gonzalez and fail to understand how you, or Justice Kavanaugh, can believe that there is any legislative path short of another amendment to the constitution that would correct what the majority has held in this case i.e. that the constitution itself (14th amendment) confers citizenship on anyone who happens to be born on U. S. soil regardless of circumstance.

I sincerely want to be wrong but my brain says no.

The article I posted here yesterday is a very good primer on the subject.


Well… I’m going with Kavanaugh on this.

We are NOT going to accomplish a constitutional amendment.
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Well… I’m going with Kavanaugh on this.

We are NOT going to accomplish a constitutional amendment.

I agree that there will be no new amendment and wish you the best of luck in trying to overthrow what has been done by legislation short of that.
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I agree that there will be no new amendment and wish you the best of luck in trying to overthrow what has been done by legislation short of that.

We need a GOP-controlled legislature… with a modicum of cojones to just modify 1401C (IIRC) with new rules and carve outs to better define who and what qualifies as that person “under the jurisdiction” of The United States.
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I read it @Luis Gonzalez and fail to understand how you, or Justice Kavanaugh, can believe that there is any legislative path short of another amendment to the constitution that would correct what the majority has held in this case i.e. that the constitution itself (14th amendment) confers citizenship on anyone who happens to be born on U. S. soil regardless of circumstance.

I sincerely want to be wrong but my brain says no.

The article I posted here yesterday is a very good primer on the subject.


Your reading is actually closer to Chief Justice Roberts’ majority opinion than mine. The majority’s position is that the Fourteenth Amendment itself resolves the question and that the Citizenship Clause protects children born here regardless of their parents’ immigration status. Under that interpretation, Congress would face a very steep constitutional barrier short of amendment.

Where I differ is in how I read Justice Kavanaugh’s concurrence. I do not understand him to be saying Congress can simply ignore the Fourteenth Amendment or overrule the Court. His argument is narrower.

The majority held that the President could not create a new exception by executive order because Congress has already enacted 8 U.S.C. §1401(a), which codifies citizenship at birth. That was the legal basis for rejecting the executive action.

Kavanaugh’s separate point was that the constitutional question and the statutory question are not necessarily identical. He specifically wrote that “Congress could, consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment, amend §1401(a) or otherwise enact new legislation establishing exceptions to birthright citizenship.”

That does not mean Congress would automatically prevail in a future case. The Court could reject such legislation. It means the next case would present a different constitutional question.

This case asked whether the President could alter citizenship law through executive action. A future case would ask whether Congress has authority to revise the statutory framework it created.

The majority criticized Kavanaugh’s reasoning, but it did not expressly hold that Congress lacks any legislative authority in this area. That distinction is why I believe the debate moves from the executive branch to Congress.

The amendment question may ultimately become part of the argument. But Kavanaugh’s opinion suggests the Court has not yet declared that an amendment is the only possible path.

That unresolved question is the opening I believe the opinion left behind.
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8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; ...

All that does is repeat what the 14th amendment already says and leads us right back to what "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. I think Justice Thomas, joined by Justice Gorsuch, got that exactly right in their dissent.

All that crap the Chief Justice wrote is total bullshit - pure sophistry - if you ask me.  You really should read the article I linked above. @Luis Gonzalez
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Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

Jaeger, John . Brilliant Creations : The Wonder of Nature and Life (p. 5). Kindle Edition.