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Granted this is a BBC news story ....

JD Vance accuses Israel of 'manipulating' US public opinion to prolong Iran war


US Vice-President JD Vance has accused some members of the Israeli government of trying to influence Americans' opinions to prolong the Iran war.

In an interview published on Wednesday, Vance told conservative podcaster Joe Rogan that while he trusts some people within the Israeli government, there are others "who are manipulating and trying to change American public opinion to keep the war going on indefinitely".

The Israeli government did not immediately respond to Vance's comments.

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt on Thursday said: "I think the president would certainly agree that, yes, foreign countries certainly do try to persuade American public opinion."

Speaking on The Joe Rogan Experience, Vance said that people within the Israeli government have been trying to shift the US away from its efforts to negotiate with Iran.

"I definitely think you have seen this very discreet, extremely well-funded campaign to try to derail the negotiation and try to derail the deal," he said, adding there is "exact evidence" that some Israeli leaders "hate the deal".

The US reached an agreement with Iran last month, known as the memorandum of understanding (MOU). It allowed for the continuation of formal negotiations, included a now-abandoned 60-day ceasefire and a condition to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

However, tensions over the Strait have resumed recently and the US has intensified its strikes on Iran while Tehran targeted US allies in the region.

Vance has been heavily involved in negotiations with Iran - attending negotiations in Pakistan in April and travelling to Switzerland in June for the signing of the MOU.

He told Joe Rogan that he "doesn't mind" what he described as "certain elements of the Israeli government" criticising the US position, adding that "foreign governments trying and influence the government all the time".

"What bothers me is actually when Americans allow, meaning American leadership allows, that influence to affect their judgement and to affect what they are advocating for," he said. .....

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m107yj327o

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That's taking the 'good cop/bad cop' routine out on a limb, IMHO.

No matter what sort of deal is negotiated, Iran as presently run will not honor it.
Taqiyya is alive and well in this context.

If the world cannot see that Iran is an enemy to us all in their present iteration, then they do not want to see, are in cahoots with the mullahs, or believe they have something to gain from what is going on.

There is but one solution with any semblance of permanence. 
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That's taking the 'good cop/bad cop' routine out on a limb, IMHO.

No matter what sort of deal is negotiated, Iran as presently run will not honor it.
Taqiyya is alive and well in this context.

If the world cannot see that Iran is an enemy to us all in their present iteration, then they do not want to see, are in cahoots with the mullahs, or believe they have something to gain from what is going on.

There is but one solution with any semblance of permanence.

Exactly.
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Romans 12:16-18

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   I suspect JD Vance will wind up in the same hole Mike Pence dug, eventually.
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   I suspect JD Vance will wind up in the same hole Mike Pence dug, eventually.

But deeper ....
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Inside Israel’s costly US influence operation: big budgets, growing backlash
Ynet Global, Jul 17, 3026

Israel spent hundreds of millions of shekels on influence campaigns, including a $1.5 million-a-month contract with former Trump adviser Brad Parscale, but the efforts failed to improve Israel’s image and may have deepened tensions in Washington

A report published this week by the American magazine Time revealed that the State of Israel paid Brad Parscale, who managed Donald Trump’s 2016 digital campaign, about $1.5 million a month as part of an effort to influence American public opinion, particularly among young conservatives and MAGA supporters.

According to the investigation, the campaign included recruiting influencers, producing large volumes of content and even attempts to influence how artificial intelligence systems present information about Israel.

But instead of strengthening Israel’s standing in the United States, the effort produced the opposite result. Within the Trump administration, suspicions grew that some of the activity was intended to influence the debate over the president’s policy toward Iran. In Israel, a senior official was quoted as saying: “We paid a lot of money, but the situation only kept getting worse.”

The controversy intensified after U.S. Vice President JD Vance addressed the investigation in an interview on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Vance accused Israeli-linked figures of running a “very discreet, extremely well-funded campaign” that he said was intended to undermine the administration’s efforts to reach agreements with Iran and prolong the conflict.

The fact that a sitting American vice president publicly accused Israeli figures of attempting to influence U.S. foreign policy is an unusual and serious event, reflecting the depth of the crisis surrounding Israel’s influence operations.

However, the Parscale affair is only the tip of the iceberg. Behind the exposed campaign stands a much broader public diplomacy and influence apparatus that has received unprecedented budgets over the past year and a half.

When Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar entered the ministry, about 545 million shekels were allocated for Israel’s international public diplomacy efforts — a sum intended to address the severe image crisis created following the war.

In 2026-2027, Sa’ar secured an additional 2 billion shekels — an unprecedented amount for Israeli public diplomacy.

Three main channels absorbed most of the budget: digital campaigns, delegations and hiring public relations firms abroad.

Even in the area of delegations, Foreign Ministry officials said the results were modest at best and poor at worst. Hundreds of guests were brought to Israel, but some had limited public influence to begin with or already held clearly pro-Israel positions before the visit.

“They convinced the convinced,” one official described it.


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That's taking the 'good cop/bad cop' routine out on a limb, IMHO.

More like Good Cop, Naive Cop.
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