Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5

[Wingnut]

Read my posts above about Pakistan -- likely Vance is involved in the crypto business with Witkoff, Kushner and the Trumps.

Put your mud cleats on because you need more traction.

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/2068812558027350346

[libertybele]

Put your mud cleats on because you need more traction.

No. If you read my posts it is very easy to connect the dots. 

[Timber Rattler]

Read my posts above about Pakistan -- likely Vance is involved in the crypto business with Witkoff, Kushner and the Trumps.

Oh I know all about it.  Total conflict of interest. 

Another question I have about Witkoff and Kushner serving as free-lancer negotiators for Trump is how are their "official" records and communications being preserved and archived, with respect to the Presidential Records Preservation Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1966, the Federal Records Act of 1950, and ultimately the National Archives Acts of 1934 and 1984?

Or are they not? 

And it seems that they are accountable to Trump and Trump only, since there is NO enabling legislation at all that permits them to negotiate anything on behalf of the U.S., and NO congressional oversight to whatever these agreements are that Trump is signing off on for the entire country.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Because he thought it was a bad idea to surrender?

Nah.  First, the US hasn't surrendered.  But, I think Rubio's been asked to focus on our hemisphere for a while --- he's a natural.  And, he's celebrating a win in Columbia helped by a strong Trump/US endorsement.  This win is excellent news. 

https://twitter.com/SecRubio/status/2068851809440116849

[Luis Gonzalez]

The historical record shows that muslims made no advances in anything - they stole them from Classical Western Civilization, the Persians, and Hindus, among many. Their buildings were designed and erected by slaves, mainly Jews. They merely passed on things that interested various individuals - they destroyed the rest.

I guess its pointless to argue this further as the brain washing has overtaken both history and rationality. Please recite the Shahada and be done with it.

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history

[Luis Gonzalez]

No. If you read my posts it is very easy to connect the dots. 

What dots. I’m still waiting for you to put up those “fact” to debunk my posts.

I’m sorry… but if you are not a Lincoln Project insert  you’re dumb as dirt.

[libertybele]

Oh I know all about it.  Total conflict of interest. 

Another question I have about Witkoff and Kushner serving as free-lancer negotiators for Trump is how are their "official" records and communications being preserved and archived, with respect to the Presidential Records Preservation Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) of 1966, the Federal Records Act of 1950, and ultimately the National Archives Acts of 1934 and 1984?

Or are they not? 

And it seems that they are accountable to Trump and Trump only, since there is NO enabling legislation at all that permits them to negotiate anything on behalf of the U.S., and NO congressional oversight to whatever these agreements are that Trump is signing off on for the entire country.

Meanwhile Congress grilled Rubio  on whether the foreign business dealings of WLF co-founders and Trump envoys—like Steve Witkoff—present severe conflicts of interest. So .... IMHO that is why Rubio was sent elsewhere and isn't involved in the negotiations. 

[Kamaji]

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history

Well put!

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/2068855528923517417

[libertybele]

What dots. I’m still waiting for you to put up those “fact” to debunk my posts.

I’m sorry… but if you are not a Lincoln Project insert  you’re dumb as dirt.

I haven't commented on your posts, but gee thanks for the flippin' compliment. I love you too Louis! Lincoln Project???

I haven't liked Kushner since Trump's first term and have been very vocal .... he's a snake and if you can't see the connections .... well ...  back at ya!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your post has a problem: it asks people to ignore the historical record while claiming to defend it.

Yes, Islamic scholars inherited knowledge from Greeks, Persians, and Indians. So did virtually every civilization that came after them. The question is whether they merely copied it. The answer is no.

If they contributed nothing, why does algebra originate with the work of Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi? Why does the word “algorithm” come from his name? Why was Ibn al-Haytham correcting Greek theories of vision through experimentation centuries before the European scientific revolution? Why was Ibn Sina’s Canon of Medicine a standard text in European universities for hundreds of years?

As for the claim that Islamic architecture was built “mainly by Jewish slaves,” that’s not history. It’s an assertion in search of evidence. Major Islamic monuments were built by diverse craftsmen, engineers, and laborers drawn from the same mix of peoples that characterized every large empire of the era. If you have evidence for your claim, present it. Historians haven’t.

The irony is that you’re accusing others of brainwashing while repeating claims that collapse the moment they’re compared to primary sources and mainstream scholarship. Serious history recognizes that knowledge moved from Greece, Persia, India, the Islamic world, and Europe in a continuous chain of transmission and innovation.

Dismissing centuries of documented achievements because they don’t fit a preferred narrative isn’t rational skepticism. It’s ideology masquerading as history

 

[Bigun]

Do yourself a favor and watch this @Luis Gonzalez


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVYpaT20fo8

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2068869788106207335

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://x.com/MichaelDeLauzon/status/2068872556699177143

[Hoodat]

Nah.  First, the US hasn't surrendered.  But, I think Rubio's been asked to focus on our hemisphere for a while --- he's a natural.  And, he's celebrating a win in Columbia helped by a strong Trump/US endorsement.  This win is excellent news. 

https://twitter.com/SecRubio/status/2068851809440116849

This may prove quite the dilemma for you.  It was the J-O-O-S that gave Espriella the win:



Faytuks Network
@FaytuksNetwork

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https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2068832718561870263

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/2068840609947754992

[Hoodat]

Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
🚨 JUST IN: JD Vance has just led PRODUCTIVE FIRST NEGOTIATIONS with Iran that will now advance toward a final deal, following mediation by Qatar and Pakistan

Iran did NOT back out.  .  .  .

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/2068739549484752963

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/BRICSinfo/status/2068873591525957942

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/SY_Love_IL/status/2068088059942330465

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/2068721710593986723



𝐍𝐢𝐨𝐡 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠 🇮🇷 ✡︎
@NiohBerg

🧵"I'm an Iranian inside Iran.

The world witnessed the January massacre of us, because president Trump said to Iranian patriots that help is on the way.

The world also heard who we want and what we don't want - because in recent shameful interviews, JD Vance (negatively) mentioned the name of our only trusted leader, Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi."


🧵"But what truly disappointed us is this absolute failure of a DEAL.

The world has betrayed us once again (by rewarding our killers and terrorists) when we were saying you don't have to do the regime change, we are ready to come out again and finish the job but the US said "stay indoors we will tell you when to come out"!

You closed your eyes on this and fell for a BS DEAL.

Then the regime cut the internet and shaped the pressure by its own propagandists from CNN to Trita Parsi, speaking over us to save the regime."

🧵"Then comes again all those shameless soulless people who started dehumanizing the Iranian diaspora to legitimize their own pro-regime narratives while they were only echoing our suppressed and under blackout voices.

Shame on every single one and we have all your names and you will be held accountable for your loyalty to such a demonic regime.

You closed your eyes on this too and accepted the absolute shame of a negotiation with terrorists."

"But hear us very clearly:

We didn't come out on January because of Trump or any deal.

Yes we thanked the removal of Khamenei (piss be upon him), and other senior terrorists, but we won't bend over any deal, we were ready to take over our country but you told us to stay indoors."

"And we will never leave our only trusted leader- the Crown Prince- alone.
Millions are still his soldiers and the only thing we lack is guns cause you showed how you will back up terrorists, and terrorists should only be dealt with (like terrorists), not with DEMOCRATIC BS TALKS OR DEALS.

You are all fooled by the evil of the Islamic Republic and its anti-Iranian propagandists, and are about to hand them money to again massacre Iranians and empower its proxies like Hezbollah Houthis etc."

"The only regime change can happen when the Crown Prince returns to Iran and every single person who was involved in this terrorist regime is held accountable and behind bars. Until then, we won't stop cause we remember and honor the blood of our compatriots from January who made the highest sacrifices to free Iran, and bring back real peace and freedom with Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi.

Long live Iran
Long live the Shah"

10:44 AM  ·  Jun 21, 2026  ·  6,196 Views


"And shame on everyone who has closed their eyes and souls on the Iranian people, for their own evil benefits.

F*** Trita Parsi
F*** anyone who promotes and supports Trita Parsi."

10:44 AM  ·  Jun 21, 2026  ·  5,882 Views

https://x.com/NiohBerg/status/2068721713932615729

[240B]

I  AM A JEW! tee shirts are flying

[Right_in_Virginia]

 

https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/2068796965391925276

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/WarlordDilley/status/2068744410347512305

[Smokin Joe]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/2068840609947754992

What so you expect?
They've been told we are losing, surrendering, and you can even read that here.
 

Just a note, and I'll grant any loss of life is tragic, but we lost more troops to enemy action at Abby Gate in Afghanistan withdrawing, than we did to enemy action in this conflict. Remember some of those casualties in this conflict were from a mid-air collision.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Do yourself a favor and watch this @Luis Gonzalez


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVYpaT20fo8

@Bigun...

I am very well informed on this subject. I don't give three shits about bombing Iran back to, or out of (depending on your POV) the Stone Age, but your "Islam has killed 250,000,000 people" post was pure bullshit, and I couldn't let it stand.

I sure as Hell don't need anyone's assistance in understanding the need to bring Iran under control, and the fact that one has to swim through miles of moronic, uninformed, Lincoln Project-posting losers' comments in this forum, in order to find some intelligent debate SUCKS.

Warner is not a historian. He's a mathematician.

I showed you his methodology is just crap pseudoscience (at best!).

His methodology, applied to Christianity, made Christians the worst murderers in history.

So... if you wish to believe Warner on Muslims, you have to believe that as well.

You want to hold on to your incorrect beliefs?

You go dude!

You do you...

Just understand how incredibly ignorant that figure you cited truly is.

[Luis Gonzalez]

What so you expect?
They've been told we are losing, surrendering, and you can even read that here.
 

Just a note, and I'll grant any loss of life is tragic, but we lost more troops to enemy action at Abby Gate in Afghanistan withdrawing, than we did to enemy action in this conflict. Remember some of those casualties in this conflict were from a mid-air collision.

There is a strong Fifth Column in here.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I  AM A JEW! tee shirts are flying

Let’s set up a kiosk somewhere!

[Timber Rattler]

you’re dumb as dirt.

Projecting much?

[Timber Rattler]

Meanwhile Congress grilled Rubio  on whether the foreign business dealings of WLF co-founders and Trump envoys—like Steve Witkoff—present severe conflicts of interest. So .... IMHO that is why Rubio was sent elsewhere and isn't involved in the negotiations. 

That's exactly right!  Rubio is subject to Congressional oversight and public records and disclosure laws.  Witkoff and Kushner are not.

[mystery-ak]

Title of this thread is the Iran War...NOT the Lincoln Project...

[mystery-ak]

First Round of U.S.-Iran Summit Talks on Track as ‘Encouraging Progress’ Reported

Initial summit talks between the U.S. and Iran seeking to reach a final deal to end the war between the two countries ended Sunday night in Switzerland with “encouraging progress” mediators Qatar and Pakistan say.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2026/06/22/first-round-of-u-s-iran-summit-talks-on-track-as-encouraging-progress-reported/

[Bigun]

@Bigun...

I am very well informed on this subject. I don't give three shits about bombing Iran back to, or out of (depending on your POV) the Stone Age, but your "Islam has killed 250,000,000 people" post was pure bullshit, and I couldn't let it stand.

I sure as Hell don't need anyone's assistance in understanding the need to bring Iran under control, and the fact that one has to swim through miles of moronic, uninformed, Lincoln Project-posting losers' comments in this forum, in order to find some intelligent debate SUCKS.

Warner is not a historian. He's a mathematician.

I showed you his methodology is just crap pseudoscience (at best!).

His methodology, applied to Christianity, made Christians the worst murderers in history.

So... if you wish to believe Warner on Muslims, you have to believe that as well.

You want to hold on to your incorrect beliefs?

You go dude!

You do you...

Just understand how incredibly ignorant that figure you cited truly is.

The You tube Video is NOT of Warner @Luis Gonzalez but of Dr. Jay Smith who has creds out the wazoo!

https://truthgospel.org/information/jay-smith/

I find the 250MM number reasonably credible, you don't.  So be it.

Otherwise, I have NEVER said "Kill all the Muslims" nor will I. But the radical 12th Imam Shite Mullahs who currently rule Iran have got to go! ALL of them! And they must never be allowed to rule anything anywhere ever again!

[Smokin Joe]

There is a strong Fifth Column in here.

[Timber Rattler]

mediators Qatar and Pakistan say.

Well of course they would.  Why would they lie?   

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/2069027302738891219

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2069024540634587519

[mystery-ak]

Vice President JD Vance said Monday that U.S. negotiators accomplished every major objective they brought to talks with Iran in Switzerland, dismissing complaints from Tehran and arguing the discussions laid the groundwork for a broader agreement.

"There was a little bit of whining from the Iranians," Vance told reporters in Switzerland after the high-level talks. "But I think that's to be expected."

Despite those tensions, Vance said the negotiations produced concrete results. He outlined four goals the administration set before entering the talks and said all four were achieved.

The first was establishing a mechanism to keep the Strait of Hormuz open and prevent disputes in the strategic shipping lane from escalating into a wider conflict. Vance said oil and gas shipments through the waterway have already increased and that negotiators created a framework to manage future incidents.

The second goal focused on maintaining a regional ceasefire. Vance said U.S. officials worked to establish communication channels that could be used to quickly address flareups involving Israel, Hezbollah or other actors in the region before violence spirals further.

“We wanted to make sure that if there is shooting ... we're actually talking to each other and figuring out how to stop the shooting," Vance said.

The third objective, and the one Vance said Americans should be most encouraged by, was Iran's agreement to invite International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors back into the country.

"The Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. That is a major milestone for the American people," Vance said.

The fourth goal was setting up the technical negotiations that will continue in the coming weeks. Vance said U.S., Iranian, Qatari and Pakistani officials made significant progress establishing the process and oversight structure needed for those talks to move forward.

While portraying the meetings as a success, Vance stressed that negotiators have not yet reached a final agreement.

"The final deal is the house. We set the foundation," Vance said. "We haven't built the house, but we've laid a successful foundation to get to a good place for the American people."

Vance acknowledged that major issues remain unresolved, including nuclear and economic matters, but said the administration is confident the talks have moved the process in the right direction.

"A lot of progress, but still some work to do," he said.
Posted by Stephen Sorace

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2069024540634587519

Personally, I don't give two shits about all this Kabuki dancing. I want to see what the end result turns out to be and if it's the Mullahs still ruling Iran, we lost!

[Luis Gonzalez]

The You tube Video is NOT of Warner @Luis Gonzalez but of Dr. Jay Smith who has creds out the wazoo!

https://truthgospel.org/information/jay-smith/

I find the 250MM number reasonably credible, you don't.  So be it.

Otherwise, I have NEVER said "Kill all the Muslims" nor will I. But the radical 12th Imam Shite Mullahs who currently rule Iran have got to go! ALL of them! And they must never be allowed to rule anything anywhere ever again!

Smith cites Warner and bases his entire theory on Warner.

Hhes refuted by all mainstream scholars as well.

Challenge your own beliefs dude. It’s the only way you will learn the truth.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

What so you expect?
They've been told we are losing, surrendering, and you can even read that here.
 

Just a note, and I'll grant any loss of life is tragic, but we lost more troops to enemy action at Abby Gate in Afghanistan withdrawing, than we did to enemy action in this conflict. Remember some of those casualties in this conflict were from a mid-air collision.

Same group that told us Covid was so horrible that we had to stay home and mask up around others, a blatant lie.

And global warming (spun now as climate change) would kill all of us by now.
Their credibility is non-existent.

[BobfromWB]

https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/2069027302738891219

Last time the IAEA folks went where and when the Iranians told them they could go, saw only what the Iranians allowed them to see, plus all military sites were off limits.

Prediction 1: If the IAEA goes back, they will be no more successful than last time.
Prediction 2: Under the watchful eye of the IAEA, Iran will have a working nuke, deliver it in just a few weeks or at most a few months.
Prediction 3: The world and especially Israel will laud 47's sharp deal. NOT.
Prediction 4: 47 resigns from office, leaving the ill-equipped Pit Bull to run the country.

47's legacy writ large.

[catfish1957]

I'm tired of this Lincoln Project too.  Let me know when something interesting happens....

[Cyber Liberty]

Last time the IAEA folks went where and when the Iranians told them they could go, saw only what the Iranians allowed them to see, plus all military sites were off limits.

Prediction 1: If the IAEA goes back, they will be no more successful than last time.
Prediction 2: Under the watchful eye of the IAEA, Iran will have a working nuke, deliver it in just a few weeks or at most a few months.
Prediction 3: The world and especially Israel will laud 47's sharp deal. NOT.
Prediction 4: 47 resigns from office, leaving the ill-equipped Pit Bull to run the country.

47's legacy writ large.

 

[bigheadfred]

Smith cites Warner and bases his entire theory on Warner.

Hhes refuted by all mainstream scholars as well.

Challenge your own beliefs dude. It’s the only way you will learn the truth.

Liar. Smith doesn't ' base his entire theory' on Warner. Nor is he refuted 'by all mainstream scholars'.
 

[Luis Gonzalez]

Liar. Smith doesn't ' base his entire theory' on Warner. Nor is he refuted 'by all mainstream scholars'.

Citing Smith to prove that Warner is right is like calling on Goofy to testify whether Mickey Mouse is real or not.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Liar. Smith doesn't ' base his entire theory' on Warner. Nor is he refuted 'by all mainstream scholars'.

Liar?

Prove me wrong or STFU.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Liar. Smith doesn't ' base his entire theory' on Warner. Nor is he refuted 'by all mainstream scholars'.

Do some research.

Dr. Jay Smith is a Christian apologist and critic of Islam known for public debates and lectures on Islamic history, theology, and textual criticism. The statistics and historical death figures he cites are generally not his own original research.

Many of the numerical claims associated with Jay Smith, particularly large historical body counts attributed to Islam, originate from Bill Warner and the Center for the Study of Political Islam International (CSPII). Smith frequently references or presents Warner's work, but the underlying methodology and calculations belong to Warner.

It is also important to note that Warner's methodology is highly controversial. Critics argue that it applies modern ideological categories across 1,400 years of history and attributes deaths to Islam in ways that many historians, including some who are themselves critical of Islam, do not accept. As a result, Warner's figures are not widely used in mainstream historical scholarship.

So if someone cites a large historical death toll from a Jay Smith presentation, the first question should be: "Is this Jay Smith's original research, or is it a figure derived from Bill Warner's methodology?" In most cases, it is the latter.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Title of this thread is the Iran War...NOT the Lincoln Project...

Awwwww... are the Lincoln Project people doing some pearl clutching off sight?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Projecting much?

Naw... one must seize up the opposition correctly when walking through the LP mine fields in this place.