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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1500 on: Today at 11:09 am »
In poker lore, Trump is coming across as a full tilt, bluff artist.

Usually after 2 or 3 hands everyone is on to ruse. 
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« Reply #1501 on: Today at 11:16 am »
Trump is now BLUFFING again. I WILL BLOW UP YOUR CONTRY!! (yep, of course you will heheheheha, clown)
Trump is a fool. You can only bluff so many times until they want to see your cards.

He's a lousy bluffer to begin with.  I would bet that he also has lost a lot of credibility.
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« Reply #1502 on: Today at 11:26 am »

Loudly through the walls, the footsteps of the Lincoln Project echo, hmm.
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Loudly through the walls, the footsteps of the Lincoln Project echo, hmm.

What the hell are you talking about?  There's nobody here from the defunct Lincoln Project.  The criticism of Trump is honest and truthful.  Sorry you don't like it, but he is very bad at this foreign relations and war and diplomacy thing.
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What the hell are you talking about?  There's nobody here from the defunct Lincoln Project.  The criticism of Trump is honest and truthful.  Sorry you don't like it, but he is very bad at this foreign relations and war and diplomacy thing.

Bullshit. It’s slanted and based on no real information, memes and propaganda from who knows who and where.

Designed to incite division in a right-wing forum.

It’s clearly visible and obvious in its purpose.

Let’s try some honesty first.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1505 on: Today at 12:14 pm »
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Iran mocks Trump's Hormuz threat, says US can't control waterway

Iran’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission spokesperson on Sunday dismissed President Donald Trump’s threat to impose tolls in the Strait of Hormuz, saying his claims of taking control of the waterway were “empty bluffs.”

“Trump is complaining about the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz and has threatened that he might take control of the strait and become its guardian angel!” Ebrahim Rezaei said in a post shared on X.

"Only a fool could make such utterly empty claims, he added before stating that the “shelf life of these bluffs has expired.”

“If you had the guts, you would have seized control of the Strait of Hormuz (even for a moment) during over a hundred days of war — you wanted to, but you couldn't.”

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy had announced Saturday that it was closing the strait and warned ships to stay clear of the critical shipping lane.

Trump said in a Truth Social post Saturday that the United States could impose tolls if negotiations in Switzerland fail to produce a lasting agreement before the 60-day ceasefire expires.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/us-iran-peace-deal-nuclear-talks-switzerland-06-21-26
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« Reply #1506 on: Today at 12:35 pm »
What the hell are you talking about?  There's nobody here from the defunct Lincoln Project.  The criticism of Trump is honest and truthful.  Sorry you don't like it, but he is very bad at this foreign relations and war and diplomacy thing.

Also add economics to that list...

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« Reply #1507 on: Today at 12:44 pm »
Ghalibaf's head needs to be the first to roll when we resume bombing.

You got that right.  I fear that our military has intentionally spared him so far.  There is no value in continuing that policy.
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Lindsey Graham says Trump will seize the Strait of Hormuz 'by force' if Iran deal collapses

South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday that President Trump will take military control of the Strait of Hormuz if the U.S.-Iran framework agreement falls apart, escalating the administration's rhetoric on the same morning Vice President JD Vance landed in Switzerland for talks with Iranian negotiators.

"If this deal fails, Trump is going to take the strait over by force," Graham said on CBS's Face the Nation. "The United States will control the strait. We will charge a fee for those who go through."............

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/article/lindsey-graham-says-trump-will-seize-the-strait-of-hormuz-by-force-if-iran-deal-collapses-152018307.html
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1511 on: Today at 12:50 pm »
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For your information, during the first 80 minutes of negotiations, which have now concluded their first round, JD Vance did not raise the Islamic regime in Iran's nuclear program even once. Zero mention of the nuclear issue. Instead, Iran demanded that the United States stop Israel from responding to Hezbollah terrorists, support statehood for the Yemen-based terrorists, and accept Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz, which it is already attempting to assert.

This is not a nuclear deal. It is one of the most shameful and disastrous negotiations imaginable.

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The Vice President is in way over his head.  We need someone else leading the US in these negotiations.  Maybe a cross between Henry Kissinger and Josef Stalin.
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« Reply #1512 on: Today at 12:55 pm »
The Vice President is in way over his head.  We need someone else leading the US in these negotiations.  Maybe a cross between Henry Kissinger and Josef Stalin.

It's probably why Vance is on his way home.  The "negotiations" are a bust.  Time to resume bombing. 

Iran is back to attacking Qatar again.
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Better yet, which of Trump's original demands have we gotten from Iran?

The demand for negations?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1515 on: Today at 12:58 pm »
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Iranian Parliament Speaker Ghalibaf:

Do they not realize that if their threats had been effective, they would not have reached today's state of desperation? We do not take the Americans' threats seriously.

They would do better to be careful about their statements. Our armed forces are prepared to respond in a different manner.

No matter how much they talk, we are the ones who act.



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https://x.com/Worldsource24/status/2068731210746978636

He sounds much 'more rational and intelligent' than the negotiators that met with 0bama's guys <- at least 47 thinks so. 
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« Reply #1516 on: Today at 12:59 pm »
The demand for negations?

And even that's in tatters now....face it Mr. President.  Negotiations are over.  Back to square one!  (Just as I predicted.)
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« Reply #1517 on: Today at 01:01 pm »
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#BREAKING: U.S.-Iran talks continue in Switzerland despite walkout reports, with negotiations focused on Hormuz, sanctions relief, and frozen assets.
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Lindsey Graham says Trump will seize the Strait of Hormuz 'by force' if Iran deal collapses

South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday that President Trump will take military control of the Strait of Hormuz if the U.S.-Iran framework agreement falls apart, escalating the administration's rhetoric on the same morning Vice President JD Vance landed in Switzerland for talks with Iranian negotiators.

"If this deal fails, Trump is going to take the strait over by force," Graham said on CBS's Face the Nation. "The United States will control the strait. We will charge a fee for those who go through."............

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/article/lindsey-graham-says-trump-will-seize-the-strait-of-hormuz-by-force-if-iran-deal-collapses-152018307.html

To seize it, ground troops will be a must. Bombs cannot seize anything.
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« Reply #1520 on: Today at 01:03 pm »
I am guessing that Vance is still there....so many conflicting reports

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« Reply #1521 on: Today at 01:07 pm »
You certainly come across as an apologist for Islam - always minimizing anything that does not shine a favorable light on it.

Now as to your Christian deliberate murder theory - prove it.

I understand the point that @Luis Gonzalez is making here.  His isn't a Christian v. islam argument.  He is simply discounting whether these deaths can be placed at the feet of the religions per se.

Let's take Christianity.  The Christianity of the Second, Third, and Fourth centuries cannot be compared to the Christianity of the Crusades.  The early church had access to the manuscripts upon which the New Testament was based.  Not so for the later Church.  Catholicism coming out of the Dark Ages did not at all resemble the Christianity of the early church.  So can the political behaviors they espoused be placed at the foot of Christ's church?  Certainly not.

The same case can be made of islam.  While I admit that I have a very strong bias against it, the historical record shows that a lot of great advances were born out of the islamic empire.  It was not always the case that infidels were persecuted and slaughtered.  I am reminded that Saladin spared all the Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem when he reconquered it near the close of the 12th century.

Consider also that the vast majority of deaths caused by these muslim armies fighting at the behest of allah were other muslims.  They have spent more time fighting each other than any other religious group.

The bottom line here is that the worst of humanity is to blame for wars, persecutions, and killings - not religion.  When man does what is right in his own heart, people perish.
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« Reply #1522 on: Today at 01:10 pm »
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🚨🇺🇸🇮🇷 "Trump’s tweets did indeed cause outrage among the Iranian delegation, but they did not leave the talks in Switzerland. They asked for a short break."

Senior Iran Analyst Dror Balazada ( @DBalazada ) reports from the high-stakes negotiations in Switzerland, where Donald Trump’s latest tweets have sent the Iranian delegation into a state of "outrage."

The tension reached a breaking point on day one, forcing a temporary halt to the talks. Mediators from Qatar and Pakistan have reportedly appealed to the U.S., practically begging for a "conciliatory tweet" from the President to ensure the Iranians return to the table tomorrow.

While agreements have been reached regarding oil sanctions, the issue of frozen funds remains a major deadlock.

Video:  https://x.com/c14english/status/2068759142110511240/video/1

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« Reply #1523 on: Today at 01:13 pm »
🚨🇱🇧 "The Lebanese army is infiltrated. A large part of its soldiers are militiamen who belong to Hezbollah. They are loyal to Hezbollah, and by extension, to Iran."



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« Reply #1524 on: Today at 01:14 pm »
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#BREAKING: U.S.-Iran talks continue in Switzerland despite walkout reports, with negotiations focused on Hormuz, sanctions relief, and frozen assets.

I thought Vance already left the venue...Usha's in Switzerland with him, I heard.
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« Reply #1525 on: Today at 01:16 pm »
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🚨🇮🇱🇮🇷 Don't mistake the regime's public celebration for pure joy - it's a calculated victory show.
Farsi radio host Rani Amrani explains that because hardline loyalists oppose any US diplomacy, the regime is forced to publicly deny the very deals it signs.

Videl:  https://x.com/c14english/status/2068664271194427648/video/1

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« Reply #1526 on: Today at 01:17 pm »
I understand the point that @Luis Gonzalez is making here.  His isn't a Christian v. islam argument.  He is simply discounting whether these deaths can be placed at the feet of the religions per se.

Let's take Christianity.  The Christianity of the Second, Third, and Fourth centuries cannot be compared to the Christianity of the Crusades.  The early church had access to the manuscripts upon which the New Testament was based.  Not so for the later Church.  Catholicism coming out of the Dark Ages did not at all resemble the Christianity of the early church.  So can the political behaviors they espoused be placed at the foot of Christ's church?  Certainly not.

The same case can be made of islam.  While I admit that I have a very strong bias against it, the historical record shows that a lot of great advances were born out of the islamic empire.  It was not always the case that infidels were persecuted and slaughtered.  I am reminded that Saladin spared all the Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem when he reconquered it near the close of the 12th century.

Consider also that the vast majority of deaths caused by these muslim armies fighting at the behest of allah were other muslims.  They have spent more time fighting each other than any other religious group.

The bottom line here is that the worst of humanity is to blame for wars, persecutions, and killings - not religion.  When man does what is right in his own heart, people perish.

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« Reply #1527 on: Today at 01:19 pm »
I thought Vance already left the venue...Usha's in Switzerland with him, I heard.

JD and Usha are probably hanging out with Olena Zelenska at her villa in Gstaad.

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« Reply #1528 on: Today at 01:21 pm »
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Explosion reported in Doha, Qatar



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« Reply #1529 on: Today at 01:28 pm »
To seize it, ground troops will be a must. Bombs cannot seize anything.

Exactly, and I don't think that ground troops is a risk that Trump is willing to take.
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« Reply #1530 on: Today at 01:30 pm »
Pure naïveté




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Vice President JD Vance stated that President Trump has tasked the administration with turning "a new leaf" in U.S.-Iran relations. Vance remarked that while these technical negotiations may not resolve every disagreement, they are significant because they allow the American and Iranian teams to "sit together as teams for the first time in history."

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1531 on: Today at 01:33 pm »
I understand the point that @Luis Gonzalez is making here.  His isn't a Christian v. islam argument.  He is simply discounting whether these deaths can be placed at the feet of the religions per se.

Let's take Christianity.  The Christianity of the Second, Third, and Fourth centuries cannot be compared to the Christianity of the Crusades.  The early church had access to the manuscripts upon which the New Testament was based.  Not so for the later Church.  Catholicism coming out of the Dark Ages did not at all resemble the Christianity of the early church.  So can the political behaviors they espoused be placed at the foot of Christ's church?  Certainly not.

The same case can be made of islam.  While I admit that I have a very strong bias against it, the historical record shows that a lot of great advances were born out of the islamic empire.  It was not always the case that infidels were persecuted and slaughtered.  I am reminded that Saladin spared all the Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem when he reconquered it near the close of the 12th century.

Consider also that the vast majority of deaths caused by these muslim armies fighting at the behest of allah were other muslims.  They have spent more time fighting each other than any other religious group.

The bottom line here is that the worst of humanity is to blame for wars, persecutions, and killings - not religion.  When man does what is right in his own heart, people perish.

The historical record shows that muslims made no advances in anything - they stole them from Classical Western Civilization, the Persians, and Hindus, among many. Their buildings were designed and erected by slaves, mainly Jews. They merely passed on things that interested various individuals - they destroyed the rest.

I guess its pointless to argue this further as the brain washing has overtaken both history and rationality. Please recite the Shahada and be done with it.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1532 on: Today at 01:33 pm »
Meanwhile at the World Cup:




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Sardar Azmoun, one of the top Iranian players, was purged off the national team by the IRGC, and is currently having his assets stolen for daring to challenge the islamic regime.

Two other Iranian players were also taken off the team by the IRGC over politics.

This is why calling them Team IRGC is simply factual, because the IRGC is fully in charge whether they like it or not.



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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #5
« Reply #1533 on: Today at 01:36 pm »
The historical record shows that muslims made no advances in anything - they stole them from Classical Western Civilization, the Persians, and Hindus, among many. Their buildings were designed and erected by slaves, mainly Jews. They merely passed on things that interested various individuals - they destroyed the rest.

I guess its pointless to argue this further as the brain washing has overtaken both history and rationality. Please recite the Shahada and be done with it.


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