LIVE THREAD: US and Israel vs. Iran, Part Two

[Kamaji]

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=578597.msg3281739#msg3281739

Were the U.S. planners aware of that, and did they take it into account, or not?

[DefiantMassRINO]

Targets shielded with civilians still need to be struck.  Killing human shields as collateral damage for legitimate military taregts is necessary to devalue the tactic.  War needs to be efficient, brutal, and complete as possible to bring the conflict to a quicker end.  Killing more people now means having to kill fewer people later on.

It's immoral to kill innocents, but it's more immoral to cynically put innocents in harm's way to protect legitimate miltary targets.

Were the U.S. planners aware of that, and did they take it into account, or not?

[BobfromWB]

Mystery posted in reply 510 above:
"They better NOT!"

Better get used to it.
Another Fishrrman "way, way out on the limb™" prediction:
Before this is over, expect upwards of 40-50,000 American troops in Iran.
You read this here first, I'm revealing it before the War Department does, hehe.

How is the United States going to guarantee safe passage through the Straits of Hormuz, without taking control of the Iranian shore from, say, about 50 miles on either side of the Strait? And then establishing a "buffer zone" of safety, guaranteed by us.

Are you going to trust ANY new government in Iran on this?

Moreover, how are you going to verify that all the nuclear sites are indeed destroyed and the 485kg of enriched uranium is removed, plus all the other lower grade enriched is also removed without troops in some numbers doing the verification?

... unless one wants to rely on the IAEA ...

[mystery-ak]

Former Iranian minister praises Trump assassination fatwa as daughter lives in New York
Mottaki's daughter is married to Iranian diplomat serving at UN mission in New York
 By Efrat Lachter Fox News
Published March 6, 2026 2:41pm EST

While former Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki praised in a Persian-language television interview the issuance of a fatwa calling for the killing of U.S. President Donald Trump, his daughter is living in New York City with her husband — an Iranian diplomat serving at the permanent mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations, Fox News digital confirmed.

Mottaki, who served as Iran’s foreign minister from 2005 to 2010 under then-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and remains a prominent figure in Iran’s political establishment, said Iran’s Supreme Leader had determined that Trump was a criminal and suggested Iran’s judiciary should act, according to a video reviewed by Fox News Digital.

He also described as a "brave and significant act" a religious ruling calling for the killing of Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mottaki’s daughter, Zahra Assadi Nazari, is married to Nasser Assadi Nazari, who is listed as a third counselor at Iran’s mission to the United Nations in New York.

The situation echoes previous controversies involving relatives of senior Iranian officials living in the United States.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/former-iranian-minister-praises-trump-assassination-fatwa-daughter-lives-new-york

[DefiantMassRINO]

Tactical dominance does not guranatee strategic victory.

I think the Iranians are prepared to wait out the US until after the November midterms in hopes of Dems winning.

I suspect Netanyahu rushed the gun to coerce the US into war with Iran sooner than the US was preprared to.  Netanyahu has always been a pr!ck.

Even after the midterms, I suspect the Iranians will still be capable and willing to conduct asymmetric, terrorist, and insurgent attacks against the US, Israel, and other Western nations.

The West needs to be prepared to kill 'em all if it wants regime change, which is Netanyahu's goal.

Iranians would cynically agree to duplicitly end their ambitions - nuclear, ballistic, terrorist - to live another day to rebuild their regime.  That's a pragmatic tactic to deal with the West.  Netanyahu won't allow the West to settle for anything less than complete regime change in Iran.

This is a situation where allies may be aligned but not necessarily seeking the same strategic outcomes.  During Word War II, Churchill made a deal with Stalin, behind the backs of America, to keep Greece out of thw post-war Soviet sphere of influence.  During World War I, France and Britain agreed to carve up the Ottoman Empire behind the backs of the Americans.  Trump better make damn sure that Netanyahu isn't going to influence / coerce Trump Admin to expand the (American) scope of the war.

Netanyahu doesn't care if Trump wins or looses midterms if the conflict brings about long-term regime change in Iran.

Trump, Netanyahu, and Iran have different maths for calculating victories and defeats.

[bigheadfred]

𝐍𝐢𝐨𝐡 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠 🇮🇷 ✡︎
@NiohBerg
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36m
🔴 Near Mehrabad Airport right now.

Heavy airstrikes happening.

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/2030052356667105728

[Wingnut]

Tactical dominance does not guranatee strategic victory.

I think the Iranians are prepared to wait out the US until after the November midterms in hopes of Dems winning.

So you hope Islamist in Iran can hang on till November?  Well, good luck with that.

[Cyber Liberty]

So you hope Islamist in Iran can hang on till November?  Well, good luck with that.

Yeah, November is NOT the true deadline here.

[bigheadfred]

BRICS News

@BRICSinfo
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JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 US military says it has now sunk 43 Iranian Navy ships.

[Cyber Liberty]

BRICS News

@BRICSinfo
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JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 US military says it has now sunk 43 Iranian Navy ships.

The object is to deny Iran the Strait. We must keep sinking ships and destroying drones.

[Idiot]

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/2030005191387292017

LOLOLOL.....I thought that was Cat Stevens for a minute.

[Idiot]

We have the ability to land a bomb on a square centimeter.   My guess:

1. Iranian false flag
2. Deflection (bad bounce) on an area that for humanitarian reasons should not be anywhere near a military target.

Or we had no idea they started a school in a miliary compound.  We can't know everything....  It for sure wasn't intentional.

[Kamaji]

Targets shielded with civilians still need to be struck.  Killing human shields as collateral damage for legitimate military taregts is necessary to devalue the tactic.  War needs to be efficient, brutal, and complete as possible to bring the conflict to a quicker end.  Killing more people now means having to kill fewer people later on.

It's immoral to kill innocents, but it's more immoral to cynically put innocents in harm's way to protect legitimate miltary targets.

You’re assuming facts not in evidence.  I asked a more fundamental question:  did US planners know the school was there. 

If they did, was there some absolutely overriding reason why the target could only be hit while school was in session, or could it have been hit at night or after hours.

The fact that collateral damage may be acceptable does not give one carte blanc to willy-nilly hit civilians who might be in the way. 

[Kamaji]

Or we had no idea they started a school in a miliary compound.  We can't know everything....  It for sure wasn't intentional.

We knew where Khamenei was on a real time dynamic basis.  Are you really claiming that we had no knowledge of a relatively static, public, fact like the presence of a school?

[catfish1957]

Yeah, November is NOT the true deadline here.

True, but November war status and results will really amplify the trend. 

So Instead of the House being a + or - 10 differential, it will likely now be more like a + or - 25.

In the Senate there are 7 toss up's for change.  AK, GA, ME, MI, NC, OH, and now...TX. If this breaks 7-0 D.  The next Senate will be 51-49 D

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2030057114622730690

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2030010571408445461

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2030071051820920994

[Wingnut]

https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/2030010571408445461

Sure.  Right.  NBC say's it is so. So it shall be.

[bigheadfred]

That school was established in 2016.

They may have relied on older data.

They had some other reason to believe it was something other than a school during the planning

They simply screwed up.

War is hell.

[Hoodat]

Sure.  Right.  NBC say's it is so. So it shall be.

While posting a 5-year-old photo from Jakarta.

[DB]

Iran is responsible for the war.

Iran put a school next to a military installation.

Iran is responsible for the consequences.

[Hoodat]

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

According to Israeli news reports, Israel assesses that Azerbaijan will strike Iran and/or join in the wider coalition against Iran as retaliation for Iranian strikes inside Azerbaijan yesterday. To date, Azerbaijan’s relationship with Turkey and more importantly Israel has strained their relationship with their neighbor Iran, as Iran has close ties to Russia and Armenia, nations that Azerbaijan increasingly finds itself at odds with.



1:03 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  437.9K Views

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2029996214369014076

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2030096212620145057

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/Globalsurv/status/2030029503100031048

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2030041151709811134

[Hoodat]

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

The U.S. Army has abruptly canceled a major training exercise for the Headquarters Element of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, fueling speculation within the Defense Department that soldiers specializing in ground combat and a range of other missions may be sent to the Middle East to join the war against Iran, sources tell the Washington Post.

The 82nd Airborne operates a Brigade Combat Team, consisting of several thousand soldiers, which alongside elements of the U.S. Air Force are kept on high alert allowing them to undertake an airborne deployment on 18 hours notice with no prior warning, for missions as varied as seizing airfields and other critical infrastructure to evacuations, known more commonly as the Immediate Response Force (IRF).



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11:44 AM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  844K Views

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2029976484346220588

[Hoodat]

Sure.  Right.  NBC say's it is so. So it shall be.

Also, according to NBC:


WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
@WarMonitor3

BREAKING: Trump has privately expressed Interest in deploying U.S. troops on the ground inside of Iran-NBC

5:31 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  105.6K Views

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2030063781053665309

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RealBababanaras/status/2029828627236606163

[Hoodat]

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/2029979385877381221

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/2030032639202132380

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/mintelworld/status/2029841403845517822

[DefiantMassRINO]

It doesn't matter if they knew or not.  They had a military objective to destroy.  Wars are lives lost and families destroyed because of the failures of diplomacy and politics.

If the politicians and the diplomats don't have the stomach for dead children, they shouldn't have failed at diplomacy, and they shouldn't risk the lives of America's military sons and daughters to cover their @$$es and cleanup up their failures.

When you ask someone to risk their lives, you do everything you can to bring them home safely to their families.

When diplomats and politicians fail, either Iranian familes get torn apart or American families get torn apart.  The diplomats and the politicians, on all sides, are responsible for all deaths - civilian and military.

If the Iranian regime does not value the lives of its own citizens, why should we?

If Americans do not have the stomach for the fight against Iran, the American Government should seek an unconditional armistice or ceasefire, and withdraw from the Mideast.  It is a sin for politicians to commit their constituents to die in a half-ass war.

Leave fighting wars to the warriors willing to do everything required for attaning the clear, well-defined objectives specified by civilian politicians and diplomats.  Otherwise, dont' start wars.

The most moral and humanitarian acts of war are not starting them and bringing them to end as soon as possible.

Wars are savagery that must be fought savagely to bring them to peaceful conclusion.

Let politicians and diplomats send their own children to die for their mistakes, shortcomings, and failures instead of committing other families' children to be captured, injured, maimed, disabled, or killled.

You’re assuming facts not in evidence.  I asked a more fundamental question:  did US planners know the school was there. 

If they did, was there some absolutely overriding reason why the target could only be hit while school was in session, or could it have been hit at night or after hours.

The fact that collateral damage may be acceptable does not give one carte blanc to willy-nilly hit civilians who might be in the way.

[Hoodat]

Ph.Gritti
@Philipp27960841

Tehran




6:49 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  1,779 Views

https://x.com/Philipp27960841/status/2030083421477752880

[Hoodat]

The fact that collateral damage may be acceptable does not give one carte blanc to willy-nilly hit civilians who might be in the way.

Willy-nilly hit civilians?  Do you really think our military did that?  Or is it possible that the regime purposely placed a school on their military base in order to gain some sort of propaganda advantage when it got hit (See:  Gaza) in order to stir up opposition and dissent against the US military?

[Hoodat]

Faytuks News
@Faytuks

Breaking: Mehrabad International Airport in Tehran is on fire following airstrikes tonight



5:02 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  45.9K Views

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2030056507757166647

[Hoodat]

Dominic Michael Tripi
@DMichaelTripi

NEW: President Trump says he has "no time limits" on how long the war with Iran could go on. -TIME

10:36 AM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  353K Views

https://x.com/DMichaelTripi/status/2029959267076219256

[Hoodat]

[Hoodat]

InsideNK/GeoPolitics
@inside_nk

BREAKING | Arab media have reported the execution of IRGC special forces general Ismail Qaani for espionage on behalf of Mossad



4:54 AM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  15.5K Views

https://x.com/inside_nk/status/2029873251376124322

[DefiantMassRINO]

What is the American objective?

-  Iran pragmatically relinquishing nuclear, ballistic, and terrorist programs?
-  Regime change with a more moderate ayatollah?
-  Regime change with a completely new system of Government?

What is the point at which Americans can stop shooting and stop being shot?

[Hoodat]

[Hoodat]

Open Source Intel
@Osint613

Former Russian President Medvedev:

"The Gulf Arab countries let American bases onto their territory. Naively, they expected protection from them. Like hell! The US just uses them, while protecting only one country. Think long and hard about whether you really need US bases – they’re not protection, they’re a threat"



10:51 AM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  69.9K Views

https://x.com/Osint613/status/2029963130759942333

[Hoodat]

AZ Intel
@AZ_Intel_

Photo shows smoke rising from Dubai International Airport amid reports of Iranian attack.



9:12 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  5,433 Views

https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/2030119475962347859

[DefiantMassRINO]

Iran is another Russian domino in danger of falling.  Putin's already lost Syria and Venezuela.  His only other friends are China, North Korea, Belarus, and Cuba.

[Hoodat]

Democrats need to STFU and let Trump play Bad Cop for a while longer.  If Chuck Schumer wants to be Commander-in-Chief, then he can run for President.



AZ Intel
@AZ_Intel_
Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer:

"Donald Trump is hellbent on escalating his reckless war and is now considering putting US boots on the ground in Iran.

The American people do not want more war in the Middle East.

No boots on the ground. No more war."



7:20 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  10.2K Views

https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/2030091242164392443

[Hoodat]

AZ Intel
@AZ_Intel_

Over 27,000 Americans returned to the United States from the Middle East since Saturday, assistant secretary of state says.

4:18 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  7,593 Views

https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/2030045495209730258

[DefiantMassRINO]

American ground troops should not die on Iranian soil to protect Israel, Saudi Arabia (9/11, officially recognized the Taliban), and the U.A.E. (officially recognized the Taliban) without Congressional authorization.

America's blood should not be shed to protect Europe's, India's, and Asia's energy supplies defending OPEC nations that screw America every chance they get - one that's responsible for 9/11, and another whose emirs broke bread with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan prior to 9/11.

Let the United Natons step up to fulfill its charter to maintain Global peace instead of being a waste of American taxpayer dollars and a waste of New York City real estate.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/Worldsource24/status/2030035615757042000

[Hoodat]

Vanguard Intel Group
@vanguardintel

The State Security Service of Azerbaijan prevented planned terrorist attacks orchestrated by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), per Azerbaijani state media AZTV.

IRGC is accused of preparing acts targeting the Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, the Israeli embassy, and a synagogue, with the threats successfully neutralized.

The Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan pipeline, running through neighboring Georgia and Turkey, carries about a third of Israel's oil imports.



12:42 PM · Mar 6, 2026  ·  7,970 Views

https://x.com/vanguardintel/status/2029990900990906607