Author Topic: Watching The Founding Fathers’ Fatal Oversight Playing Itself Out Right In Front of Us  (Read 1226 times)

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Please don't change my posts @Bigun -- especially when you're wrong.  Elected deep state officials is the purpose of the administrative state --- it's the ultimate control of legislation and makeup of the judiciary.  This is why they cheat, lie and steal to "win" elections.

OK. I'll do that when I'm wrong but in this case that title belongs to you. The FACT is that Communist fellow travelers were infiltrated into the federal government workforce in bulk during the 1920s and they dug themselves in like ticks on a hound and created cultures throughout our government that plague us to this day. There is a reason why you cannot go to Washington D. C. now without encountering people who will readily tell you that they will still be there after your favorite legislator is long gone. Getting rid of those people is going to be a monumental, if not completely impossible, task. @Right_in_Virginia 
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Okay, list the ones we can vote out.

Because it is the swarms of well-entrenched bureaucrats who make up the Deep State, handing down rulings with the force of law, but who have never once run for their office. That's everywhere from planning and zoning to the deputy DCI. You don't get to vote them in, and you can't vote them out. The only people you can vote for or against are those who can remove them from their jobs, but the pool of people who know how to make things work where that rubber meets the road is limited, and they are the same people who had the job under the last president.

They never run for office. If you want a real government shutdown, try firing the lot of them, and not just changing the figureheads at those Departments.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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What gives their rulings the force of law?

A thing called the code of federal regulations (CFR) that was cemented in place during the 40+ years of one party rule we experienced in the twentieth century.

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How are their rulings changed??

With great difficulty assuming anyone actually wants to change them.

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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A thing called the code of federal regulations (CFR) that was cemented in place during the 40+ years of one party rule we experienced in the twentieth century.

With great difficulty assuming anyone actually wants to change them.

You've surrendered @Bigun .   **nononono*

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You've surrendered @Bigun .   **nononono*

Wrong! I just understand the playing field and the rules where you don't. @Right_in_Virginia
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Of course they do.  Just off the top of my head, here are a few:  McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi,  Schiff, Obama, Biden, Harris, any number of Soros funded prosecutors.  Installing "elected officials" is the top of the coup pyramid --- installing elected officials is the goal.   And, they're now doing it with regularity.

Once they are elected (installed), they're there until they bleep up and need to be removed and replaced.
Go ahead and replace them.  The problem with the deep state is that it is far deeper than a few figureheads. It is multiple layers of bureaucrats that will advance unauthorized policy, slow walk or stymie policy that is approved, and burden it with regulations, permits, and other nonsense that will essentially make sure either nothing gets done (if they don't want it to) or something gets fast tracked whether we want it or not.

They are the multiple layers of bureaucracy, the permitting agencies, the ones demanding yet another EIS because the last one conducted at the behest of a different agency which overlaps didn't include a raptor study (on prairie). It's how the Keystone XL pipeline got killed, how the Dakota Access Pipeline (.5 million BOPD) was stalled for over a year.

Infrastructure is only one thing they can kill or boost, but the various agencies involved in the process can stop progress dead.

It isn't just a few elected officials, although they are the poster children, it is the outrageous mass of 2.3 to 2.4 million Federal non postal non military employees. While not all are actively "deep state", they self perpetuate their agency, department, and jobs by making sure that you are required to get it across their desks first, before anything gets done--and that's just one level, there are State and Local bureaucracies to navigate as well, often with conflicting rules and overlapping areas of interest.

Google AI estimates the total number at some 23 million government personnel. While not all are engaged in making or enforcing policy, that's a lot more than the 535 elected to Congress.
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Wrong! I just understand the playing field and the rules where you don't. @Right_in_Virginia

Sorry @Bigun but not sorry.  You're consistently telling us "it can't be done", on a whole host of issues.  Now you're claiming you understand the playing field and rules better and to trust you --- they cannot be changed.  This is surrender, my friend --- pure surrender.

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Go ahead and replace them.  The problem with the deep state is that it is far deeper than a few figureheads. It is multiple layers of bureaucrats that will advance unauthorized policy, slow walk or stymie policy that is approved, and burden it with regulations, permits ----

Another surrender advocate promoting the excuse there's no way to fix this.  I suspect you'll fight with your last breath to prove it. 

Such a waste of time and energy.   **nononono*

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If we had just let them eat the Tide pods, none of this would be happening right now


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"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living" F. Scott Fitzgerald

If we had just let them eat the Tide pods, none of this would be happening right now

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It ain't surrender. it's 'see, I tolja so', when the liberals come to power and overthrow every damn thing you've done, and put it all right back.

The ONLY way is to make government SMALLER.

The only way to do that is with a Conservative majority in the Republican Party, and then a Conservative majority in Congress.

A congress that is fiscally frugal will knock out all the bureaucrats - PERMANENTLY... Because shrinking the government means no money to pay for things, and that makes all them government jobs dry up and disappear.

Small government is the answer. The ONLY answer.
All the rest is wasted energy and wasted time.

Supporting big government is what surrender looks like. And a whole lot of y'all are doing exactly that.

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It ain't surrender. it's 'see, I tolja so', when the liberals come to power and overthrow every damn thing you've done, and put it all right back.

The ONLY way is to make government SMALLER.

The only way to do that is with a Conservative majority in the Republican Party, and then a Conservative majority in Congress.

A congress that is fiscally frugal will knock out all the bureaucrats - PERMANENTLY... Because shrinking the government means no money to pay for things, and that makes all them government jobs dry up and disappear.

Small government is the answer. The ONLY answer.
All the rest is wasted energy and wasted time.

Supporting big government is what surrender looks like. And a whole lot of y'all are doing exactly that.


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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien