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Watching The Founding Fathers’ Fatal Oversight Playing Itself Out Right In Front of Us

The Republican weakness on the SAVE Act, which a huge majority of Americans support, shows how the Founders’ failure to require term limits is killing America.

Vince Coyner | February 15, 2026

Our Founding Fathers were geniuses. They were far from perfect, but they were generally virtuous men, and they gave us a constitution far superior to anything that had ever been written. The document they wrote was imperfect, as all things that men create are, but it was extraordinary nonetheless—even with the 3/5 Compromise.

One thing they gave us was a system with a separation of powers, both within the federal government and between the federal and state governments. The Bill of Rights, which was basically the quid pro quo agreed to for ratification, extended that distribution of powers by recognizing that some rights belonged to the citizens and were largely beyond the power of government to impinge upon.

In hindsight, however, the Founding Fathers made one fatal error, and we’re seeing it play out right in front of us today. And it’s somewhat curious that they made it...

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, read widely to prepare for writing it. He read Enlightenment thinkers such as Locke and Montesquieu. He looked at the constitutions of the various American states. And he studied governments throughout history, such as the Dutch Republic, the Achaean League, and of course, as practically all of the Founders did, the Roman Republic.

And this is what puzzles me. A critical element of the Roman Republic's success was term limits, adopted specifically to prevent an individual from accumulating too much power and leading to a new monarchy. Magistrates, from Quaestors (the entry-level bureaucrat workhorses) to Consuls (the highest ordinary office; supreme executive/military authority), whose terms ran one year each, were generally forbidden from being reelected to the same office for a decade. This ensured that the power remained with the office itself rather than the individual.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Don't blame a failure of the idiot voters on the FF. If the geriatrics are too old, maybe the voters can vote them out?

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Why? @Bigun

Our founders considered imposing term limits and roundly rejected the idea because they are already baked in the cake. Two years for House members (closest to the people) and six years for senators named by state governments.

WE screwed things up with the ratification of the 17th amendment thus removing any state influence on congress. @Right_in_Virginia
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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WE screwed things up with the ratification of the 17th amendment thus removing any state influence on congress. @Right_in_Virginia [/size]

What do you mean "WE"?  None of us here are Progressives, and none of us were even alive when the original Progressives spoiled the republican structure of our Constitution and turned us into a democracy.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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What do you mean "WE"?  None of us here are Progressives, and none of us were even alive when the original Progressives spoiled the republican structure of our Constitution and turned us into a democracy.
'We' means the United States of America, of course.
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Our founders considered imposing term limits and roundly rejected the idea because they are already baked in the cake. Two years for House members (closest to the people) and six years for senators named by state governments.

WE screwed things up with the ratification of the 17th amendment thus removing any state influence on congress. @Right_in_Virginia


I think relying on the two year term in the House turned into a mistake @Bigun  The Founders thought too highly of the citizen's political attention span and too little of the influence of political parties and their quest for power and longevity.  They missed the inevitability of corruption and control brewing in their choice.

The 17th Amendment effed up a most genius system of national governance.  But, hell will literally freeze over before it's repealed.  The next best option is to contain it.  Term limits would accomplish this, IMO.





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Our founders considered imposing term limits and roundly rejected the idea because they are already baked in the cake. Two years for House members (closest to the people) and six years for senators named by state governments.

WE screwed things up with the ratification of the 17th amendment thus removing any state influence on congress. @Right_in_Virginia


That's right.

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I think relying on the two year term in the House turned into a mistake @Bigun  The Founders thought too highly of the citizen's political attention span and too little of the influence of political parties and their quest for power and longevity.  They missed the inevitability of corruption and control brewing in their choice.

The 17th Amendment effed up a most genius system of national governance.  Hell will literally freeze over before it's repealed.  The next best option is to contain it.  Term limits would accomplish this, IMO.

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I learned a particular principle while coding...
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I think relying on the two year term in the House turned into a mistake @Bigun  The Founders thought too highly of the citizen's political attention span and too little of the influence of political parties and their quest for power and longevity.  They missed the inevitability of corruption and control brewing in their choice.

The 17th Amendment effed up a most genius system of national governance.  But, hell will literally freeze over before it's repealed.  The next best option is to contain it.  Term limits would accomplish this, IMO.

OK. We have different opinions and that is perfectly fine. @Right_in_Virginia
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We don't need a better system we need better voters.

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We don't need a better system we need better voters.

 :amen:
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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And to that point, shitty voters will ruin any system you present to them, absolutely. Not matter how good.

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And to that point, shitty voters will ruin any system you present to them, absolutely. Not matter how good.

This was well known from day one.

“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. “

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4 1775

“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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And to that point, shitty voters will ruin any system you present to them, absolutely. Not matter how good.

How are you defining "shitty voters" @Weird Tolkienish Figure  ?

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How are you defining "shitty voters" @Weird Tolkienish Figure  ?

Probable about the same as Ted Cruz defined N.Y. City values. Trump (and You) took offense, and now they have a communist as mayor.

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WE screwed things up with the ratification of the 17th amendment thus removing any state influence on congress. @Right_in_Virginia

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How are you defining "shitty voters" @Weird Tolkienish Figure  ?

Primarily, the ones who reject solid Conservative principles.  The same ones who have given us over $30 trillion in debt, but cry about losing power if they dare cut any spending the Democrats have set up.

Remind you of anyone?
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1.) Living 50 years was a rarity in the Founders' time.
2.) America was primarily agricultural - people needed to return to their farms to tend to crops, animlas, and business.

Their perspective matched their time in history.

The Founders knew things would change, hence the Amendment process.

It just never occurred to Thomas Jefferson and John Adams that someone would spend 50+ years in public office.  Most people were dead before the age of 50.
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There are pros and cons to everything. Term limits sound good and I'm not necessarily against them, but at the same time term limiting someone prolly isn't going to change the voting patterns of that district. You term limit an AOC and they vote in a Kamala.

Where's the gain, other than keeping the tenure short so they can't entrench themselves in leadership.. But that hardly matters if you end up with the same or worse once they're out.
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