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Live in  harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

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Given more time to think about it, I’ve changed my position on the ICE shooting. My new position is that the ICE agent was not only 100% in the right and justified to shoot but that Renee’s wife should be charged with manslaughter at the very least in h death and as an accomplice to the attempted murder of a federal officer. I also believe the entire org they’re a part of should be wrapped up and thrown in prison for insurrection related activities or on domestic terrorism charges.

My previous position was just that the agent was in the right to fire in self defense but that the rest needed more investigation. This video clears it all up for me. This was organized.
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The bull dyke wife was all bowed up. 
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If I lived in one of those houses I could make a fortune selling hot cocoa to the media


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They've been liberalized to the point where they are indeed bat crap crazy.

These are not liberals seeking "justice".  They are organized, well-funded Marxist revolutionaries promoting violence to overthrow the Federal government and replace the U.S. Constitution.

Their organizers use sympathizers as cannon fodder for the "cause", and create the very chaos that they hope to exploit.

I am not overstating the case.  They have said it themselves, even if they couch their language for the cameras.

The immediate problem is that the local "authorities" also sympathize with, and at least in some cases, agree with them. And not just in Minneapolis.

These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls. 
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These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.

It's certainly trying mine!
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OK, I think I heard the lesbo activist ("wife") say she was in Iraq (a veteran)... Was she ? or is she claiming valor for argument sake (validity) for her leftist activity? [/size]
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In 2020, I posted in this forum that "the answer" to the "CHAZ" insurrection in Seattle was U.S. Army troops, or at least federalized National Guardsmen.

Next-to-NO-ONE in this forum agreed.
But if Mr. Trump had "sent in the troops", he would have remained president in 2021.

Now we have a parallel situation. Probably organized by some of the same individuals operating silently "in the background".

Do you still think we should ignore it?

Who here believes that the governor of Minnesota or the mayor of Minneapolis will do anything to stop this?

Hmmm...
If there's no problem in sending in the Army for a surprise attack against the commies in Venezuela, why is there one in Minneapolis? After all, they're just as "commie" there, too...
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These are not liberals seeking "justice".  They are organized, well-funded Marxist revolutionaries promoting violence to overthrow the Federal government and replace the U.S. Constitution.

Their organizers use sympathizers as cannon fodder for the "cause", and create the very chaos that they hope to exploit.

I am not overstating the case.  They have said it themselves, even if they couch their language for the cameras.

The immediate problem is that the local "authorities" also sympathize with, and at least in some cases, agree with them. And not just in Minneapolis.

These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.

That certainly seems to be the case.
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Andy wrote:
"These are not liberals seeking "justice".  They are organized, well-funded Marxist revolutionaries promoting violence to overthrow the Federal government and replace the U.S. Constitution."

Please take 20 seconds to read this post I put up in another thread today:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=576036.msg3259619#msg3259619

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These are not liberals seeking "justice".  They are organized, well-funded Marxist revolutionaries promoting violence to overthrow the Federal government and replace the U.S. Constitution.

Their organizers use sympathizers as cannon fodder for the "cause", and create the very chaos that they hope to exploit.

I am not overstating the case.  They have said it themselves, even if they couch their language for the cameras.

The immediate problem is that the local "authorities" also sympathize with, and at least in some cases, agree with them. And not just in Minneapolis.

These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.

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All the media is posting her photo while pregnant ... Here is one after she went lesbo. Notice the short hair and nose ring.

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Walz signed the following bill into law in July of 2020.

Minnesota Statute 609.066 pertains to the authorized use of deadly force by peace officers. It outlines the conditions under which law enforcement can use lethal force, typically in situations where there is an imminent threat to life.

Overview of Minnesota Statute 609.066
Minnesota Statute 609.066 addresses the authorized use of deadly force by peace officers. This statute outlines the conditions under which law enforcement officers may use lethal force in the line of duty.

Key Provisions
Authorized Use: Peace officers are permitted to use deadly force when they reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to themselves or others.
Circumstances: The use of deadly force is justified only in situations where the officer believes that all other means of apprehension or control have failed or are not feasible.
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Sweet bodycam. Sweet, sweet  bodycam.
The Left screamed for bodycams. They got it.
Now, bodycam footage keeps exonerating the officers.
This video is fairly conclusive.

A combination of body cam (or really cell phone, in this case) footage and Elon's purchase of Twitter is probably going to make a great deal of difference in how this plays out.

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I can't believe all these progressive anti-ICEers are driving SUVs. What about the planet?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Top comment on this new video in the r/law sub-Reddit says this was a pre-meditated murder because the officer called her a *itch when she hit him with the SUV.  :thud:

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That's a joke, son, a joke Ah tell ya!

You think this is a joke?

ICE Protester: We Have to ‘Show Up with Guns and End This’
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2026/01/09/ice-protester-we-have-to-show-up-with-guns-and-end-this/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20260109

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The unidentified protester accused ICE of shooting people “with no cause” and said, “We have to show up with guns.”

He continued, “We have to, there’s no way around it. I don’t care if I don’t have a Minnesota carry permit. I’m unarmed right now but this is the last time I show up to face these guys without a weapon.”

The unidentified protester said, “The time for peace is over. They fired the first shot; it’s time to end this sh*t by any means necessary.”  @Smokin Joe



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I don’t care if I don’t have a Minnesota carry permit.
Neither will the Minneapolis police, who have demonstrated they have no interest in enforcing the law.

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Minneapolis Police have a fake show-of-force going on out there right now and even though some dude ran at me and threatened to “shoot me” just a bit ago while multiple officers were STANDING RIGHT THERE, MPD did nothing.

MPD is cucked, and people here know that.
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Minneapolis Police have a fake show-of-force going on out there right now and even though some dude ran at me and threatened to “shoot me” just a bit ago while multiple officers were STANDING RIGHT THERE, MPD did nothing.

MPD is cucked, and people here know that.
4:12 PM · Jan 9, 2026

Prayers that the evilness and corruption quickly comes to an end in MN; especially Minneapolis. 
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1,000 additional Border Patrol agents are scheduled to surge Minneapolis very soon, per DHS sources including a senior official.    There's currently about 2k agents on the ground.   DHS is sharply placing its focus on MSP.   Border Patrol tells us more immigration agents free up HSI investigators to continue probing the fraud.
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Prayers that the evilness and corruption quickly comes to an end in MN; especially Minneapolis.

And thank our lucky stars that it's Jan 9th and not April 9th.
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https://twitter.com/CB618444/status/2009359447139996074

A good summary.  It makes a good case for charging the "wife" as an accessory to attempted murder of a Federal Agent.
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A good summary.  It makes a good case for charging the "wife" as an accessory to attempted murder of a Federal Agent.

:thumbsup:

And I think the “wife” should be charged with complicity in the woman’s death as well. She set it up and put all the pieces in motion. She was the puppet master whose actions proximately resulted in a death. 
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And I think the “wife” should be charged with complicity in the woman’s death as well. She set it up and put all the pieces in motion. She was the puppet master whose actions proximately resulted in a death.

https://twitter.com/GrageDustin/status/2009710653473468782

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Don’t know if this has been posted, but here it is.  Renee Good’s award winning poem, “On learning to dissect fetal pigs”.

i want back my rocking chairs,
solipsist sunsets,
& coastal jungle sounds that are tercets from cicadas and pentameter from the hairy legs of cockroaches.
i’ve donated bibles to thrift stores
(mashed them in plastic trash bags with an acidic himalayan salt lamp—
the post-baptism bibles, the ones plucked from street corners from the meaty hands of zealots, the dumbed-down, easy-to-read, parasitic kind):
remember more the slick rubber smell of high gloss biology textbook pictures; they burned the hairs inside my nostrils,
& salt & ink that rubbed off on my palms.
under clippings of the moon at two forty five AM I study&repeat
               ribosome
               endoplasmic—
               lactic acid
               stamen
at the IHOP on the corner of powers and stetson hills—
i repeated & scribbled until it picked its way & stagnated somewhere i can’t point to anymore, maybe my gut—
maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.
it’s the ruler by which i reduce all things now; hard-edged & splintering from knowledge that used to sit, a cloth against fevered forehead.
can i let them both be? this fickle faith and this college science that heckles from the back of the classroom
               now i can’t believe—
               that the bible and qur’an and bhagavad gita are sliding long hairs behind my ear like mom used to & exhaling from their mouths “make room for wonder”—
all my understanding dribbles down the chin onto the chest & is summarized as:
life is merely
to ovum and sperm
and where those two meet
and how often and how well
and what dies there.
There are some among us who live in rooms of experience we can never enter.
John Steinbeck

Freedom without virtue collapses into disorder.
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Don’t know if this has been posted, but here it is.  Renee Good’s award winning poem, “On learning to dissect fetal pigs”.

i want back my rocking chairs,
solipsist sunsets,
& coastal jungle sounds that are tercets from cicadas and pentameter from the hairy legs of cockroaches.
i’ve donated bibles to thrift stores
(mashed them in plastic trash bags with an acidic himalayan salt lamp—
the post-baptism bibles, the ones plucked from street corners from the meaty hands of zealots, the dumbed-down, easy-to-read, parasitic kind):
remember more the slick rubber smell of high gloss biology textbook pictures; they burned the hairs inside my nostrils,
& salt & ink that rubbed off on my palms.
under clippings of the moon at two forty five AM I study&repeat
               ribosome
               endoplasmic—
               lactic acid
               stamen
at the IHOP on the corner of powers and stetson hills—
i repeated & scribbled until it picked its way & stagnated somewhere i can’t point to anymore, maybe my gut—
maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.
it’s the ruler by which i reduce all things now; hard-edged & splintering from knowledge that used to sit, a cloth against fevered forehead.
can i let them both be? this fickle faith and this college science that heckles from the back of the classroom
               now i can’t believe—
               that the bible and qur’an and bhagavad gita are sliding long hairs behind my ear like mom used to & exhaling from their mouths “make room for wonder”—
all my understanding dribbles down the chin onto the chest & is summarized as:
life is merely
to ovum and sperm
and where those two meet
and how often and how well
and what dies there.


Meh.
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I have written a poem, "Lessons Learned," in Ms. Good's memory:


Lessons in life
sometimes are few
but here's an idea on
what not to do.
Don't aim your SUV at a law enforcement officer.

It wasn't good to hit the gas.
A sad event then came to pass.
Lessons learned, sometimes too late.
It's never good to be filled with hate.

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I have written a poem, "Lessons Learned," in Ms. Good's memory:


Lessons in life
sometimes are few
but here's an idea on
what not to do.
Don't aim your SUV at a law enforcement officer.

It wasn't good to hit the gas.
A sad event then came to pass.
Lessons learned, sometimes too late.
It's never good to be filled with hate.

Much better!!
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Don’t know if this has been posted, but here it is.  Renee Good’s award winning poem, “On learning to dissect fetal pigs”.

i want back my rocking chairs,
solipsist sunsets,
& coastal jungle sounds that are tercets from cicadas and pentameter from the hairy legs of cockroaches.
i’ve donated bibles to thrift stores
(mashed them in plastic trash bags with an acidic himalayan salt lamp—
the post-baptism bibles, the ones plucked from street corners from the meaty hands of zealots, the dumbed-down, easy-to-read, parasitic kind):
remember more the slick rubber smell of high gloss biology textbook pictures; they burned the hairs inside my nostrils,
& salt & ink that rubbed off on my palms.
under clippings of the moon at two forty five AM I study&repeat
               ribosome
               endoplasmic—
               lactic acid
               stamen
at the IHOP on the corner of powers and stetson hills—
i repeated & scribbled until it picked its way & stagnated somewhere i can’t point to anymore, maybe my gut—
maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.
it’s the ruler by which i reduce all things now; hard-edged & splintering from knowledge that used to sit, a cloth against fevered forehead.
can i let them both be? this fickle faith and this college science that heckles from the back of the classroom
               now i can’t believe—
               that the bible and qur’an and bhagavad gita are sliding long hairs behind my ear like mom used to & exhaling from their mouths “make room for wonder”—
all my understanding dribbles down the chin onto the chest & is summarized as:
life is merely
to ovum and sperm
and where those two meet
and how often and how well
and what dies there.
Good grief...the lady was nuts.

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maybe there in-between my pancreas & large intestine is the piddly brook of my soul.
OMG!! Me too!!!! (But my gastroenterologist is trying to fix it).

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You think this is a joke?

ICE Protester: We Have to ‘Show Up with Guns and End This’
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2026/01/09/ice-protester-we-have-to-show-up-with-guns-and-end-this/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20260109

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The unidentified protester accused ICE of shooting people “with no cause” and said, “We have to show up with guns.”

He continued, “We have to, there’s no way around it. I don’t care if I don’t have a Minnesota carry permit. I’m unarmed right now but this is the last time I show up to face these guys without a weapon.”

The unidentified protester said, “The time for peace is over. They fired the first shot; it’s time to end this sh*t by any means necessary.”  @Smokin Joe



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Spray them down in the winter, and they'd just claim they were attacked again by ...ice.

Water, winter (in Minnesota?), ice, get it? That was the joke.

Never mind, the whole f*cking country is going crazy because it takes itself too seriously on the internet, and before its over, more people are going to die.

I know none of this is a joke. A family member's partner (as in police, not sex) took the shot in MSP. He'd been dragged 300 ft. last June by some illegals in a car and got some time off and 30+ stitches for that trouble.

I'll be as ready as I need be for me and mine.
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Mattie Weiss’ (the wife) profile invites so many questions. Just read this from the context of their presence and behavior with ICE.

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Good grief...the lady was nuts.
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How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis