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No, not a saint or a god, just a very competent and effective President of the United States of America. 
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No, not a saint or a god, just a very competent and effective President of the United States of America.

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Cuba does not have the oil.  Nor does it have the leadership which supported the drug trade to the extent Maduro sanctioned.

The bullseye was on a druglord Maduro but also about that access to oil.

I doubt sincerely we will go after Cuba anytime in the near term.  So far we have waited for over 60 years and we will wait some more.

There is a wild card in the mix this time.  Trump.
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So far, we have the leaders of Columbia and Cuba taunting Trump, my guess is Trump ignores them both, and the Democrats will demand Trump invades them both.
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So far, we have the leaders of Columbia and Cuba taunting Trump, my guess is Trump ignores them both, and the Democrats will demand Trump invades them both

He won't ignore them, and Colombia is probably next for an op ... they're openly making & selling cocaine, with Government support!!

Pres. Trump won't put up with that ...
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So what happens if Venezuela devolves into a civil war? Seems all the ingredients are now there.

Then we have to get more deeply involved, unfortunately, on the you-broke-it-you-bought-it theory.
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@IsailedawayfromFR  Most of us could have told you that before you even asked the question.
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He won't ignore them, and Colombia is probably next for an op ... they're openly making & selling cocaine, with Government support!!

Pres. Trump won't put up with that ...


Except that the Noriega precedent won’t apply, so that would be an act of war.
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Except that the Noriega precedent won’t apply, so that would be an act of war.

Correct. Maduro was indicted years ago, while no such predicate exists for the other two.
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Correct. Maduro was indicted years ago, while no such predicate exists for the other two.

It’s not just the indictment,  it also that he seized power after the election results did not go his way, so he’s not a legitimate head of state.  The president of Columbia is.
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Except that the Noriega precedent won’t apply, so that would be an act of war

They're probably working on an indictment as we speak, the evidence is there ... still, the reason why the Maduro nab went off so cleanly was because the CIA had a confidential source close to Maduro, and it may take time to do the same with Petro.

But, if Colombia continues to help the coke cartels, don't be surprised to see cruise-missile attacks on the drug factories (insert Big Media/Hollywood crying here)
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@Luis Gonzalez   Why do you insult this courageous man and those who support him?

You underestimate the way Venezuelans feel about Donald Trump right now.

Cubans will feel the same way if that mess falls as a result of his actions.

In Cuba and Venezuela they have no food, no electricity, and no freedom.

Sixty-plus years for Cuba. Thousands killed by firing squads. Thousands dead in the straits.

How would a person who brought freedom, food and power to the people, after decades of others not caring, be lauded by them?

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You underestimate the way Venezuelans feel about Donald Trump right now.

Cubans will feel the same way if that mess falls as a result of his actions.

In Cuba and Venezuela they have no food, no electricity, and no freedom.

Sixty-plus years for Cuba. Thousands killed by firing squads. Thousands dead in the straits.

How would a person who brought freedom, food and power to the people, after decades of others not caring, be lauded by them?

If I offended you, it wasn’t intentional.

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The US accuses Maduro of running a "narco-terrorist" regime, a claim he denies. He is widely seen by opponents within his country as well as by foreign governments as having illegitimately won Venezuela's 2024 election.

Maduro - who leads the United Socialist Party and has been in power since 2013 - has frequently been accused of repressing opposition groups and silencing dissent in Venezuela, at times with the use of violence.
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If you want to make a legal argument against that, have at it. Let's also quit the media style twisting and distorting this into a 'forever war'. There is no war here and it's already over. There is no 'forever'.

FYI: The only known "forever war" began in 620 AD with the rise of Islam.
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Gotta get some investors lined up.  If the Cuban communists fall, I'm getting hold of a car-carrier ship and sending it straight to Mariel to load up on some vintage rides.  I'll make a mint here in the US.







Pictures of old cars in Cuba often show vehicles that have been extensively modified with non-original parts. Cuban mechanics commonly install Russian Lada engines in American car bodies, create custom electrical systems, and fabricate body parts using whatever materials are available. This resourcefulness has kept thousands of classic vehicles operational well beyond their intended lifespan.

Engine Swaps and Mechanical Adaptations

One of the most common modifications involves replacing original American V8 engines with more readily available alternatives. Cuban mechanics frequently install diesel engines from Russian tractors or cars, Japanese motorcycle engines, or even marine engines to keep their vehicles running. These adaptations, while preserving the classic exterior appearance, completely transform the mechanical heart of the vehicles.

Body Work and Fabrication Techniques

Cuban body shops have mastered the art of metal fabrication using basic tools and recycled materials. They create replacement panels, bumpers, and trim pieces that may not match original specifications but maintain the vehicle’s classic appearance. This craftsmanship has kept many classic cars in Cuba looking remarkably good despite their age

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Talk radio today talked about our DELTA forces doing "HALO JUMPS" (High Altitude/Low Oxygen) from 38,000 feet...wearing oxygen masks, their firearms and a knapsack for ammunitions.

...these guys are special!
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Talk radio today talked about our DELTA forces doing "HALO JUMPS" (High Altitude/Low Oxygen) from 38,000 feet...wearing oxygen masks, their firearms and a knapsack for ammunitions.

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Wow. I can’t imagine.
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Wow. I can’t imagine.

Indeed!  Just awestruck!
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FYI: The only known "forever war" began in 620 AD with the rise of Islam.
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Talk radio today talked about our DELTA forces doing "HALO JUMPS" (High Altitude/Low Oxygen) from 38,000 feet...wearing oxygen masks, their firearms and a knapsack for ammunitions.

...these guys are special!


Surely a jockstrap or something else, right?
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Surely a jockstrap or something else, right?

 :silly:   :laugh:
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Then we have to get more deeply involved, unfortunately, on the you-broke-it-you-bought-it theory.



Better us than China. And I agree, unfortunate.

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Better us than China. And I agree, unfortunate.

 Better us than China, Russia, or pretty much anyone else. 

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You underestimate the way Venezuelans feel about Donald Trump right now.

Cubans will feel the same way if that mess falls as a result of his actions.

In Cuba and Venezuela they have no food, no electricity, and no freedom.

Sixty-plus years for Cuba. Thousands killed by firing squads. Thousands dead in the straits.

How would a person who brought freedom, food and power to the people, after decades of others not caring, be lauded by them?

If I offended you, it wasn’t intentional.

Thanks for the reply @Luis Gonzalez    This explanation wasn't evident in the original post.

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Thanks for the reply @Luis Gonzalez    This explanation wasn't evident in the original post.

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There is a wild card in the mix this time.  Trump.
That guy plays 3D chess.

He might accomplish his goals in Cuba furtively instead of for all the world to see.

Would be smart to do so while the world's attention is on Venezuela.
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This is where you oh great one are mistaken.  There is NO ONE coming up to reestablish this production once it's gone.  Who in their right mind would want to step into the new regulations that will exist under current and  future administrations, etc. not to mention that at present it's almost impossible to get any new leases.  When this group of wildcatters is gone they won't be replaced.
History disagrees with you, but you already knew that if you were actually in the business.

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That guy plays 3D chess.

He might accomplish his goals in Cuba furtively instead of for all the world to see.

Would be smart to do so while the world's attention is on Venezuela.

Cubans are already taking to the streets over the near total, and nightly, failure of the power grid. They can't fix it, and now they won't have the fuel to run it.

Every tanker Trump seizes is a nail in that government's coffin.

I think it's going to blow internally. 
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History disagrees with you, but you already knew that if you were actually in the business.

You might want to take some pointers from @Wingnut on how to give sarcasm successfully.


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I'm not taking on any new students.
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