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But they did. In 1950 something many "craft" hovered over D.C. for hours and were seen by millions. They just did not land. Headline news at the time.

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If Trump really wanted to shake things up, he'd fly AF1 out to Groom Lake (in Area 51), hold a televised press conference, and expose all the aliens and flying saucer wreckage and technology stored there.

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If Trump really wanted to shake things up, he'd fly AF1 out to Groom Lake (in Area 51), hold a televised press conference, and expose all the aliens and flying saucer wreckage and technology stored there.

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According to many reports all that stuff was move years ago to secret underground bases in Utah. We do have many underground bases, so that's plausible.
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According to many reports all that stuff was move years ago to secret underground bases in Utah. We do have many underground bases, so that's plausible.


So Trump should go there.
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So Trump should go there.

Yeah, it's cheekily called "Area 52," otherwise known as the Stark Road Facility at the Dugway Proving Ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_Proving_Ground
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So Trump should go there.

He has no need to know. Sorry that's how things operate in the black/secret world.
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One of the annoying contradictions here is that "UFO's" are always "encountered" in extreme (high altitude, outer space) or geographically remote locations ... why do they never land in the middle of New York, Paris or Tokyo, where millions of people could bear witness to their existence?

The Law of Averages suggests, after thousands of reported incidents, there should be at least a few big-city sightings ... instead, nothing ...
Light pollution in those areas would make such a craft more difficult to see. There's a reason why we put observatories in remote "dark sky" locations with very little artificial light.

On the other hand, those would be precisely the kind of anomalies an alien would recognize as odd enough to warrant investigating. Bright lights on the dark side of a planet would be the first spot to look for intelligent life. That, and the liquid water, would be the two things of interest that Earth has that the far more common kinds of desolate, lifeless planets do not.
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As for UFOs...

It is no coincidence that the vast majority of UFO sightings happen to be in close proximity to military facilities, and particularly in the Cold War, when the space race was in full gear and public interest in space was at an all-time high. More likely is that those UFOs are classified military aerospace projects our government built.
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Since science is constantly evolving, just because we don't have proof today doesn't mean we won't in the future. We keep discovering things about our own universe. We haven't even begun to explore galaxies outside of our own.

Get back to me when we at least get to outer limits and eventually develop the ability to travel beyond our own galaxy. Until then I'm not going to discount anything. tipping hat!!

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Testimony is fine for certain things. Like if ten different people testify that they saw a person do a thing then it's probably true.

But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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As for UFOs...

It is no coincidence that the vast majority of UFO sightings happen to be in close proximity to military facilities, and particularly in the Cold War, when the space race was in full gear and public interest in space was at an all-time high. More likely is that those UFOs are classified military aerospace projects our government built.
Yep. Look at what facility Rachel NV is close to. (Area 51, SR71, F117, etc.)
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As for UFOs...
More likely is that those UFOs are classified military aerospace projects our government built.

If that were true, Russia and China would not be a threat; then again, these same craft have appeared all over Earth, since at least the middle ages, when they were recorded in paintings, so they must also be time machines by the logic that they are our crafts.

BTW: it is only in the US that UAPs/ETs conversations and ideas are stigmatized.
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So I'm just supposed to believe, because someone else says "there's evidence" but I'm not privy to it?

Riiiiiiight.

"No evidence" is the biggest evidence of a conspiracy!

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He has no need to know. Sorry that's how things operate in the black/secret world.

But we should just accept what you - whomever you are - say when you swear to us that yes, "they" are real.  So how is that you have more privilege than the president of the United States, and the freedom to divulge it to us peons?

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There are thousands of testimonies about all sorts of things, including things that turned out to be demonstrably false, so no, those "testimonies" do not count as definitive proof.

There is a difference between belief and witness.

You can go way back in history and find gray beings flying down from the sky in machines. - That witness, the details that match, a thousand years apart... That has weight. Especially when it spans long, long before the current ufo 'craze'.

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Testimony is fine for certain things. Like if ten different people testify that they saw a person do a thing then it's probably true.

But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Is it an extraordinary claim if it is in the record, over and over, all the way back?

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But they did. In 1950 something many "craft" hovered over D.C. for hours and were seen by millions. They just did not land. Headline news at the time.

And very recently.... The mile wide one that flew low over Pheonix, witnessed by hundreds... That sort of thing happens fairly rarely - But it happens.

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Bob's not wrong...


Thanks, TR! Maybe Kamaji will take note.
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Thanks, TR! Maybe Kamaji will take note.

My pleasure!  I've had more than a passing interest in unexplained mysteries and phenomena ever since I was a kid watching Leonard Nimoy on In Search Of when I was a kid in the 1970s.  Bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs, etc.  Now as an adult, I've been able to do a lot of serious research on UFOs/UAPs/USOs, and have discovered some interesting things, both pro and con.

Consequently, I'm convinced that many of the "lights in the sky" and "flying disc" stories of the 1950s can be traced directly back to U.S. military activity.  For example, here's a prototype U.S. Army Mars probe decelerator that was built and tested in the 1950s, which now sits at the White Sands Missile Park museum:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:White_Sands_Missile_Range_Museum-52_(8328038600).jpg



With that said, there is a lot of stuff that simply has not been explained yet, including for military pilots who have recorded their encounters with those weird "Tic-Tac" objects.  DoD has claimed that it has no idea what they are, for what it's worth.

Meanwhile...


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We humans are such narcissists.

Believing that we are the only ones inhabiting a nearly endless universe.

Is it narcissism or arrogance?
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Is it narcissism or arrogance?


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Is it an extraordinary claim if it is in the record, over and over, all the way back?

It is not an extraordinary claim to observe that there have been unidentified objects seen in the sky.

It is an extraordinary claim to conclude with all certainty that these things are from other planets.

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It is not an extraordinary claim to observe that there have been unidentified objects seen in the sky.

It is an extraordinary claim to conclude with all certainty that these things are from other planets.

That's fair. But then, I don't think they're from other planets myself. Pretty sure it's an extra-dimensional thing, for wont of a better description.  :shrug:

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That's fair. But then, I don't think they're from other planets myself. Pretty sure it's an extra-dimensional thing, for wont of a better description.  :shrug:

Even more extraordinary to claim they are extra-dimensional. Extra dimensions are believed to be tiny curled up things that to enter one would have to be sub-atomic in size.

Simplest answer is they have always been here. And are as much a native species as we are.

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Even more extraordinary to claim they are extra-dimensional. Extra dimensions are believed to be tiny curled up things that to enter one would have to be sub-atomic in size.

Simplest answer is they have always been here. And are as much a native species as we are.

Nah. I don't mean the modern idea of dimensions as invented by purveyors of quantum physics.

Perhaps I should use 'other realms' instead. Things arriving or departing through portals to other realms - Again, historical testimony across centuries and vast geography lends the idea weight.

The other thing that is an interesting observation is that the the technology demonstrated - while beyond our own - seems tied to us:

in the 50's, UFOs looked like two hubcaps glued together. across some years, they started to resemble something from the Jetsons. Sometime more recently, the technology seems to have turned more triangular... Delta wing... And now we have tictacs.

Now, bear in mind, none of that is perfect. I am looking at the broad trends. But since they always present as technology well past anything here at the time, yet follow our tech capability in some fashion though time, I would submit that the historic explanation seems the most likely to apply: Knowledge from another realm working with the capabilities available here to perform some purpose.

It's the same old thing, through the breadth of history: Beware of beings 'from the sky' bearing gifts.