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Daily Star by Rory Gannon 12/31/2025

Following speculation that comets could have been alien spacecrafts, more and more experts in the field are convinced that alien life is real — and we need to find it

A new study has found that more and more scientists are believing in the existence of aliens. While many may not believe that other life forms exist in the universe, more research is appearing to point towards the fact that we are not alone.

Aliens have long been considered a thing of fantasy, whether it is like bizarre little green men, or a humanoid Martian. However, with only a small number of testimonies and with no viable proof, many people have simply discounted the fact that other life could exist out in space.

But now, new figures have shown that there is a vast majority of astrophysicists who believe that aliens do in fact exist in the universe. And not only that, some scientists think humanity has the chance to find it.

3I/ATLAS 'should not be streaming gas if comet' as 'controlled by aliens' theory grows

'Spaceship' 3I/ATLAS now has 'wobbly' double-jet structure as alien theory strengthens

According to Science Focus, believing in aliens used to make someone a conspiracy theorist, with the person going all out to prove their point — all without any tangible evidence. However, a new survey carried out found that some 87% of astrobiologists they agreed that extraterrestrial life is out there.

To us humans, we may think that Earth and humanity itself is superior to anything else in the universe, but in actuality this could not be less true. In fact, an entire school of scientific thought — the Copernican principle — says that Earth is no more special than any other planet in all of space.

Now, scientists are certain about the presence of aliens somewhere in the universe. The question, as a result, is shifting: not if aliens exist, but where they are exactly.

Theories that have won the backing of scientists include the vast number of stars and planets within our own galaxy. The Milky Way, our home galaxy is estimated to contain anywhere between 100 and 400 billion stars, a simply incomprehensible number which points to the likelihood of somewhere in the universe — either in our galaxy or outside of it — where alien life exists.

More: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/more-more-scientists-now-believe-36476611

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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.
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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.

That's where I am on the question...I have no evidence either way, and I'm fine with that until somebody produces it. 
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It was this picture that convinced me.
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It was this picture that convinced me.

I can visualize him hold a mouse by the tail, dropping it in his mouth, and swallowing it.
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I can visualize him hold a mouse by the tail, dropping it in his mouth, and swallowing it.
Oh, yeah. I think there must be a pod by his bed.
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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.

Agreed.  While I think it is likely that aliens do exist, I agree that to-date there is insufficient evidence to conclude that they in fact exist.
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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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As for 3I Atlas  [ going 68 km/sec] that has so far exhibited 15 or more unexplainable anomalies, it is not a comet as comets are defined, but something else. The most recent anomaly is the 500,000 to one million km long anti-tail which defies the solar wind blowing at 400km/sec. Even more odd, new Hubble images show it to be gaining in brightness when it should be dimming.

Next stop in March 2026 is Jupiter's Hill radius [ where Jupiter's gravity overcomes the Sun's ] and is very close to Jupiter's Lagrange point [ where Jupiter's gravity has no effect ], and a perfect place to launch probes into, if it were a technological object, which of course is impossible. All this is just coincidence, of course.

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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.
Right. I can neither confirm nor deny...

But think about this: Whatever other planet we set foot on, we will be the aliens.
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Considering how many galaxies, stars and planets there are out there, it would seem extremely unlikely there isn't intelligent life out there.

The big question is, is it possible to travel significantly faster than the speed of light?
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The big question is, is it possible to travel significantly faster than the speed of light?

I'd say yes simply because every previous velocity that was deemed "impossible" has been achieved anyway.
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Right. I can neither confirm nor deny...

But think about this: Whatever other planet we set foot on, we will be the aliens.

We will be bringing diversity with us.  That makes it all better!!! tipping hat!!
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A single water molecule contains more hydrogen atoms than there are stars in the entire solar system.

A water molecule (\(H_{2}O\)) has a bent, V-shape, consisting of one oxygen atom covalently bonded to two hydrogen atoms.

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A single water molecule contains more hydrogen atoms than there are stars in the entire solar system.

You are correct sir.


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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That is true, but until the evidence is identified, it is also not proper to draw conclusions as if the evidence were already in hand.
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I'd say yes simply because every previous velocity that was deemed "impossible" has been achieved anyway.
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I do not believe that aliens exist because it would be an unfounded belief absent evidence.

Likewise, I do not have enough evidence to assume that aliens do not exist.

Tens of thousands of testimonies, spanning all of history...

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Are there aliens? Probably. In a universe this vast, the odds of there being conditions that support some form of life, somewhere outside planet Earth are quite good.

Is there intelligent life? Intelligent enough to become space-faring? That, I doubt. The conditions that led to humans' formation as an intelligent species are so narrow and complex as to have practically required the hand of God to create it, and are unlikely to have been replicated anywhere else, even in a universe this vast. Any intelligent life that does form would almost certainly not resemble us in any way.

Furthermore, the likelihood that if said intelligent life existed, either one of us figuring out how to travel fast enough to reach each other before we went extinct, is even more infinitesimal, probably zero.
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Tens of thousands of testimonies, spanning all of history...

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Charles Baudelaire

There are thousands of testimonies about all sorts of things, including things that turned out to be demonstrably false, so no, those "testimonies" do not count as definitive proof.
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Are there aliens? Probably. In a universe this vast, the odds of there being conditions that support some form of life, somewhere outside planet Earth are quite good.

Is there intelligent life? Intelligent enough to become space-faring? That, I doubt. The conditions that led to humans' formation as an intelligent species are so narrow and complex as to have practically required the hand of God to create it, and are unlikely to have been replicated anywhere else, even in a universe this vast. Any intelligent life that does form would almost certainly not resemble us in any way.

Furthermore, the likelihood that if said intelligent life existed, either one of us figuring out how to travel fast enough to reach each other before we went extinct, is even more infinitesimal, probably zero.


If you look at the Universe with an honest eye, their are structures everywhere that are unexplainable without technology of some sort that produced them: Like: The young solar system [ TYC8241-2652-1 ] it was a proto-planetarry system with a disk of quadrillions of tons of material surrounding a sun. But a few years later, the disk wads almost gone - 10 million trillion tons of mass gone. No cogent astronomical explanation given. The system is about 500 light years distant or about the time of the European Renaissance when the material disappeared.

See: TYC 8241 2652 1 and the case of the disappearing disk: No smoking gun yet
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2017/02/aa29008-16/aa29008-16.html

Then there are the perfectly synced micropulsars which lie in a belt spanning hundreds of light years winking on and off like an electric sign pointing forward arrow-like; if you wanted a navigation signal across light years, there is no better.

Just a few of the many, many seemingly technological structures across the Universe that remain unexplained.
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— and we need to find it...

Uh no...I guess they haven't read their history about what happens when a technologically more advanced civilization encounters a more primitive one.  Or else never watched "War of the Worlds," "V," or "Independence Day."

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There are thousands of testimonies about all sorts of things, including things that turned out to be demonstrably false, so no, those "testimonies" do not count as definitive proof.

If you watch the "The Age of Disclosure", you would learn that "definitive proof" is claimed to exist, but we will not see it, unless the Legacy Project allows it. The Legacy Project is above all government entities, including the President. They are the people that "have the ability to take ET home"; they are the "Men in Black".

I'm sure someone will say secrets like that would be leaked. Yet there are many reputable men who have come forward to say they were involved in UAP/ET things, but will not disclose more than that. They were asked,"Why not?  Because they would be ruined, their back accounts emptied, they would never work anywhere again ever, and they and their families could very well disappear or worse.

The ordinary secrets that get leaked about all other things, bear only the risk a long court trail, prison time, fine, exile or all three. Leaked UAP/ET secrets come with immediate consequences, including death sentences. There's a subtle difference, if you can spot it.

To comment on the above, you must have watched "The Age of Disclosure", else you will have no standing, just an opinion.








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Worlds without Number

Full quote from the Torah, I think.
"Worlds upon worlds were before Adam was."

Shabbat 88b and Hagigah 13b, mention that 974 generations existed before Adam
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If you watch the "The Age of Disclosure", you would learn that "definitive proof" is claimed to exist, but we will not see it, unless the Legacy Project allows it. The Legacy Project is above all government entities, including the President. They are the people that "have the ability to take ET home"; they are the "Men in Black".

I'm sure someone will say secrets like that would be leaked. Yet there are many reputable men who have come forward to say they were involved in UAP/ET things, but will not disclose more than that. They were asked,"Why not?  Because they would be ruined, their back accounts emptied, they would never work anywhere again ever, and they and their families could very well disappear or worse.

The ordinary secrets that get leaked about all other things, bear only the risk a long court trail, prison time, fine, exile or all three. Leaked UAP/ET secrets come with immediate consequences, including death sentences. There's a subtle difference, if you can spot it.

To comment on the above, you must have watched "The Age of Disclosure", else you will have no standing, just an opinion.










So I'm just supposed to believe, because someone else says "there's evidence" but I'm not privy to it?

Riiiiiiight.
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So I'm just supposed to believe, because someone else says "there's evidence" but I'm not privy to it?

Riiiiiiight.
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So I'm just supposed to believe, because someone else says "there's evidence" but I'm not privy to it?

Riiiiiiight.

Like I said you have no standing on this issue because you are not informed enough to have an opinion. Watch the "Age of Disclosure" and get back.
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Suuure. "Trust the Science!" :silly: :tongue2:

(If you can't review the data, or examine the samples, what science?)

But I should trust the self-serving statements of "I saw them"?  Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.
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There are thousands of testimonies about all sorts of things, including things that turned out to be demonstrably false, so no, those "testimonies" do not count as definitive proof.

Testimony is fine for certain things. Like if ten different people testify that they saw a person do a thing then it's probably true.

But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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But I should trust the self-serving statements of "I saw them"?  Ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.

Many people, including myself, on this and other forums have seen them
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Many people, including myself, on this and other forums have seen them

So you say.  Why should I believe you?  I don't even know who you are IRL, so I have absolutely no basis for accepting your self-serving statement absent objective evidence.
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Many people, including myself, on this and other forums have seen them

What did you see? Because there's lots of video of a lot of somethings flying around in the sky. But so far no evidence of what they are.

I've been up at 52,000 feet (FLT 520) and myself and the pilot saw a shiny something floating up there. No idea what it was. We observed it, passed it, and kept it to ourselves.

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Testimony is fine for certain things. Like if ten different people testify that they saw a person do a thing then it's probably true.

But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Or they have the evidence on film, like the tictacks the Navy filmed or the "thing" filmed floating over a base in Iraq. People expect the military to use iPhones or some such to film things, but they do not; they use infrared cameras where targeting and data is more important that close up detailed images, so cherished by the unwashed general public.

99% of the people shown extraordinary evidence about UAP/ETs would dismiss it as fake. BTW: the phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" serves to shut down any further discussion of a subject, since no one can produce something they do not have.
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Or they have the evidence on film, like the tictacks the Navy filmed or the "thing" filmed floating over a base in Iraq. People expect the military to use iPhones or some such to film things, but they do not; they use infrared cameras where targeting and data is more important that close up detailed images, so cherished by the unwashed general public.

So they have photographs of flying objects the provenance of which they were unable to identify.  In street talk, they have videos of UFOs.  Wonderful.  And the evidence that these are necessarily technological devices designed and built by extraterrestrial beings?

Still waiting.

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Or they have the evidence on film, like the tictacks the Navy filmed or the "thing" filmed floating over a base in Iraq. People expect the military to use iPhones or some such to film things, but they do not; they use infrared cameras where targeting and data is more important that close up detailed images, so cherished by the unwashed general public.

Video of a thing is video of a thing. It is evidence of an unknown but it is not evidence of an extraterrestrial intelligence.

These objects likely have a terrestrial origin. They may even be controlled by our own government.

People who saw and reported seeing the SR-71 and the U-2 were in their time denounced as crackpots and cranks although they saw something quite real.

I once took a picture from the ranch of a low flying aircraft and was later told that there had been no such aircraft in the area.

Yet all the same the picture is attached. It is not a UFO but it was in a place where it officially was not. It was also pretty danged low.

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One of the annoying contradictions here is that "UFO's" are always "encountered" in extreme (high altitude, outer space) or geographically remote locations ... why do they never land in the middle of New York, Paris or Tokyo, where millions of people could bear witness to their existence?

The Law of Averages suggests, after thousands of reported incidents, there should be at least a few big-city sightings ... instead, nothing ...
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So they have photographs of flying objects the provenance of which they were unable to identify.  In street talk, they have videos of UFOs.  Wonderful.  And the evidence that these are necessarily technological devices designed and built by extraterrestrial beings?

Still waiting.

They have the "provenance," but its classified - if you have ever worked SAP/CodeWord projects, you would understand that it cannot be released to the public. And no one is claiming they are ETs, just that they are not us. Craft/devices have  been retrieved. But revelation is a matter of national security. And apparently, the "others" have a say in what is or is not revealed, when and how.

Classification applies because Russia, China - to name 2 countries - have their own programs. Disclosure to the public would also be a matter of national security.

You continue to make unwarranted assumptions on a subject you have little knowledge about.
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One of the annoying contradictions here is that "UFO's" are always "encountered" in extreme (high altitude, outer space) or geographically remote locations ... why do they never land in the middle of New York, Paris or Tokyo, where millions of people could bear witness to their existence?

The Law of Averages suggests, after thousands of reported incidents, there should be at least a few big-city sightings ... instead, nothing ...

But they did. In 1950 something many "craft" hovered over D.C. for hours and were seen by millions. They just did not land. Headline news at the time.
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They have the "provenance," but its classified - if you have ever worked SAP/CodeWord projects, you would understand that it cannot be released to the public. And no one is claiming they are ETs, just that they are not us. Craft/devices have  been retrieved. But revelation is a matter of national security. And apparently, the "others" have a say in what is or is not revealed, when and how.

Classification applies because Russia, China - to name 2 countries - have their own programs. Disclosure to the public would also be a matter of national security.

You continue to make unwarranted assumptions on a subject you have little knowledge about.

No, actually, I'm not making any assumptions period.  Everything you say might actually be true, but I have no way of confirming that.  I don't even have the basis to evaluate the extent to which you as a person tend to tell the truth or not - you are nothing more than an anonymous poster on the internet from the perspective of everyone other than you.

So, without making any assumptions, I can only conclude that what we do "know" is that there are photographs that appear to be of objects doing things that known aircraft generally aren't capable of.

That is not proof of anything other than the fact that certain images were taken by certain people under certain circumstances.

This is what it looks like when one does not make assumptions.  You should try it some time.
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But they did. In 1950 something many "craft" hovered over D.C. for hours and were seen by millions. They just did not land. Headline news at the time.

Again, an unidentified "thing" in the air.  Stripped of all the assumptions you keep trying to import, it's proof of nothing beyond that.
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We know earth obviously to be inhabitable and with the vastness of the universe I certainly think that there are probably 'others' that exist on other planets.  Perhaps planets that haven't been discovered yet.  I believe aliens are out there -- perhaps they even move quietly among us or are keeping a close eye on us from a distance.  If so, certainly they must see or sense that we are slowly destroying ourselves.   On the other hand, who really knows for sure if there are aliens?
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If Trump really wanted to shake things up, he'd fly AF1 out to Groom Lake (in Area 51), hold a televised press conference, and expose all the aliens and flying saucer wreckage and technology stored there.

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