White House to pitch a Trump Obamacare extension with limits

[mystery-ak]

 White House to pitch a Trump Obamacare extension with limits

Republicans have been eager for Trump to reveal his preferences on expiring Affordable Care Act subsidies.

By Benjamin Guggenheim11/23/2025 09:53 PM EST

The White House expects to soon unveil a health policy framework that includes a two-year extension of Obamacare subsidies due to expire at the end of next month and new limits on eligibility, according to three people granted anonymity to discuss the unannounced plans.

The proposal would mark President Donald Trump’s foray into Capitol Hill negotiations over how to address health care premium spikes set to hit Affordable Care Act enrollees if Congress lets the premium subsidies expire.

A White House official declined to confirm the details of the plan, saying, “Until President Trump makes an announcement himself, any reporting about the administration’s healthcare positions is mere speculation.” MS NOW first reported news of Trump’s intent to announce a new health care framework as soon as Monday to address spikes in ACA insurance premiums.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/23/white-house-to-propose-new-health-care-framework-00666701?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=a02548ae-7036-4186-9797-538370119559

[rustynail]

Why do the Democrats Always win?

[Idiot]

Why do the Democrats Always win?

How do the democrats win?  You can't cut people off of subsidies after all of this time cold turkey.  Slowly wean them off...yes.  Heck, my health insurance just went up from $1092 a month to almost $1400 a month for a $9,000 deductible.  This is for ONE PERSON.  How does the average person afford this?  The answer is the don't and will go without if the subsidies are cut.

[rustynail]

How do the democrats win?  You can't cut people off of subsidies after all of this time cold turkey.  Slowly wean them off...yes.  Heck, my health insurance just went up from $1092 a month to almost $1400 a month for a $9,000 deductible.  This is for ONE PERSON.  How does the average person afford this?  The answer is the don't and will go without if the subsidies are cut.

You are right.  This has to be done for the mid-terms.

[Kamaji]

How do the democrats win?  You can't cut people off of subsidies after all of this time cold turkey.  Slowly wean them off...yes.  Heck, my health insurance just went up from $1092 a month to almost $1400 a month for a $9,000 deductible.  This is for ONE PERSON.  How does the average person afford this?  The answer is the don't and will go without if the subsidies are cut.

Yes, you can, since they had years’ notice that the subsidies were expiring this year.  If they didn’t make alternative arrangements when they had several years to do so, what makes you think they’ll be any more prudent now?   If anything, extending these subsidies will simply tell them that they have nothing to worry about and the subsidies will be extended indefinitely, so they don’t need to do anything.

[verga]

Not no, but HELL NO! I voted for Trump it end this debacle, not kick it down the road for the Dems to Add Extension after Extension.

[Idiot]

Yes, you can, since they had years’ notice that the subsidies were expiring this year.  If they didn’t make alternative arrangements when they had several years to do so, what makes you think they’ll be any more prudent now?   If anything, extending these subsidies will simply tell them that they have nothing to worry about and the subsidies will be extended indefinitely, so they don’t need to do anything.

You want a bloodbath in the mid-terms or do you not care?

[Idiot]

Not no, but HELL NO! I voted for Trump it end this debacle, not kick it down the road for the Dems to Add Extension after Extension.

Same question...  You want a bloodbath in the mid-terms?

[Kamaji]

You want a bloodbath in the mid-terms or do you not care?

I don’t want to be paying for parasites’ health insurance any more, particularly since of them don’t actually need it and won’t get turned away by a hospital if they do need care. 


And those parasites don’t vote republican anyway, so it won’t be a bloodbath. 

[mystery-ak]

Report: White House to Unveil Healthcare Framework to Lower Costs

Sean Moran 24 Nov 2025

The Trump White House is expected to unveil a healthcare policy framework that would lower costs and extend expiring Obamacare subsidies, according to reports.

MS NOW and Politico reported that the healthcare policy framework would include a two-year extension of the expiring enhanced premium tax credits (EPTC), or enhanced Obamacare subsidies, which would otherwise expire at the end of the year. The proposal could be unveiled as early as Monday.

A White House declined to confirm the details of the alleged plan to Politico, stating, “Until President Trump makes an announcement himself, any reporting about the administration’s healthcare positions is mere speculation.”

The plan would lower limits on income eligibility for the credits and set minimum premium payments, according to the reports. The proposed eligibility cap would set the subsidies to 700 percent of the federal poverty line; Republicans have complained that, with the current Obamacare enhanced subsidy scheme, wealthy Americans would benefit from the subsidies in what was meant to be a temporary, coronavirus-era benefit.

The White House plan would also urge Congress to fund cost-sharing reduction (CSR) plans, which Republicans pushed for in the Big Beautiful Bill, but were nixed after Senate Democrats objected to its inclusion in Trump’s landmark legislation, believing it violated rules on budgetary reconciliation.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that these healthcare reforms would have lowered healthcare premiums by 12.7 percent and reduced costs by decreasing the need for Obamacare EPTCs. CSR plans would have lowered costs by $30.8 billion.

The Trump proposal would also have part of their tax credit go straight to Americans via tax-advantaged savings accounts instead of going to a health insurance company to lower Americans’ premium indirectly.

“The president probably would like to go bigger than the Hill has the appetite for, so we’ll have to see how that, you know, works out,” White House deputy chief of staff James Blair said last week.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/11/24/report-white-house-to-unveil-healthcare-framework-to-lower-healthcare-costs/

[Idiot]

I don’t want to be paying for parasites’ health insurance any more, particularly since of them don’t actually need it and won’t get turned away by a hospital if they do need care. 


And those parasites don’t vote republican anyway, so it won’t be a bloodbath.

You are gravely mistaken.  I know of a huge number of people that are getting subsidies using Obamacare and yes they'll be furious at the Republicans.  How do you think this will affect their vote?  The repubs will likely lose the house and could very well lose the senate as well.  Can you imagine special prosecutor after special prosecutor and trial after trial in the house for last 2 years of the Trump administration.  And of course they'll impeach Trump again. The pendulum swung right for Trump, just wait to see how far left it will swing next time.

[verga]

Same question...  You want a bloodbath in the mid-terms?

How much of my hard earned money are they entitled to? No matter what target date is set the media and the professional whiners are going to  hit us with "But what about the CHHHIIIILLLLDDDREEENNNNNN? You don't do a dg any favor by cutting his tail off a little at a time. And if we wait till after the midterms you are going tosay, "don't you are about the Presidential election. @Idiot

[Idiot]

How much of my hard earned money are they entitled to? No matter what target date is set the media and the professional whiners are going to  hit us with "But what about the CHHHIIIILLLLDDDREEENNNNNN? You don't do a dg any favor by cutting his tail off a little at a time. And if we wait till after the midterms you are going tosay, "don't you are about the Presidential election. @Idiot

This is a similar argument to Social Security.  People are dependent on it for some type of retirement and if it were cut off heads would roll.  I'm not for the subsidies continuing, but I understand the anger of people who might be cut off.  Something has to be done about health care costs.  Just a basic doctor visit is over $200 and that's for 10 minutes if you are lucky and not with your Dr. but a PA or nurse practitioner. 

So the question is how do you balance a blowout in the mid-terms vs. saving money.  If there is a blowout any saving are shot anyway because dems spend like drunk sailors.  So kick the can down the road with subsidies and live to fight another day.

[Kamaji]

This is a similar argument to Social Security.  People are dependent on it for some type of retirement and if it were cut off heads would roll.  I'm not for the subsidies continuing, but I understand the anger of people who might be cut off.  Something has to be done about health care costs.  Just a basic doctor visit is over $200 and that's for 10 minutes if you are lucky and not with your Dr. but a PA or nurse practitioner. 

So the question is how do you balance a blowout in the mid-terms vs. saving money.  If there is a blowout any saving are shot anyway because dems spend like drunk sailors.  So kick the can down the road with subsidies and live to fight another day.

What blowout?  Claims without proof - sounds like just another effing liberal troll.

[Wingnut]

Nothing will be done and the Gov shutdown in Jan is a given.

Merry Christmas Ya Filthy Animals.

[Idiot]

What blowout?  Claims without proof - sounds like just another effing liberal troll.

WOW....you caught me!!!!   

[rustynail]

Johnson Warns White House Against Extending Obamacare Subsidies

House Speaker Mike Johnson has warned the Trump administration that House Republicans aren't gonna go for an extension of enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies - a plan which was leaked to the media before the White House backed off from announcing it yesterday.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnson-warns-white-house-against-extending-obamacare-subsidies

[The_Reader_David]

Of course, we could instead do something radical and actually fix the system:

• Introduce the sort of universal catastrophic health care coverage that Friedrich Hayek (yes, the great free-marketeer and critic of socialism) supported. Not pre-paid health care for all like the Left wants, just universal coverage that keeps anyone from being bankrupted by illness or injury, but leaves the primary responsibility for paying for health care with the individual or family.
• Make employer-provided health insurance (after the first reform only filling the gap until the universal catastrophic kicks in) taxable income.
• Create a mechanism whereby families, churches, other non-profits, can form groups and buy health insurance (also only filling the gap) at group rates, rather than inflated individual rates, so that the need for health insurance no longer rigidifies the labor market by, among other things, preventing people from leaving employment to set up their own businesses.

Of course this won't happen, as it would require experts who actually know something to pin down the details, rather than being a "solution" Trump has made up on his own and can propose or impose while maintaining his delusion that he is always the smartest person in the room.

[Kamaji]

Of course, we could instead do something radical and actually fix the system:

• Introduce the sort of universal catastrophic health care coverage that Friedrich Hayek (yes, the great free-marketeer and critic of socialism) supported. Not pre-paid health care for all like the Left wants, just universal coverage that keeps anyone from being bankrupted by illness or injury, but leaves the primary responsibility for paying for health care with the individual or family.
• Make employer-provided health insurance (after the first reform only filling the gap until the universal catastrophic kicks in) taxable income.
• Create a mechanism whereby families, churches, other non-profits, can form groups and buy health insurance (also only filling the gap) at group rates, rather than inflated individual rates, so that the need for health insurance no longer rigidifies the labor market by, among other things, preventing people from leaving employment to set up their own businesses.

Of course this won't happen, as it would require experts who actually know something to pin down the details, rather than being a "solution" Trump has made up on his own and can propose or impose while maintaining his delusion that he is always the smartest person in the room.

[verga]

This is a similar argument to Social Security.  People are dependent on it for some type of retirement and if it were cut off heads would roll.  I'm not for the subsidies continuing, but I understand the anger of people who might be cut off.  Something has to be done about health care costs.  Just a basic doctor visit is over $200 and that's for 10 minutes if you are lucky and not with your Dr. but a PA or nurse practitioner. 

So the question is how do you balance a blowout in the mid-terms vs. saving money.  If there is a blowout any saving are shot anyway because dems spend like drunk sailors.  So kick the can down the road with subsidies and live to fight another day.

@Idiot Not even close to being a similar argument. I have been paying into SS for 51 years. I will be lucky to see somewhere bestrewn 1/2 to 2/3 of what I had paid in. If that money had been put into a mutual fund or a tax deferred growth fund I could have retired 3-4 years ago very well off. On the other hand these leeches have been living off of the public largess with almost no skinn if any in the game. And sorry, but I don't buy the blowout argument. If that happens we can deal with it, when it happens. In the mean time kicking out several million illegals will clean up the voting rolls and reduce expenses.

[verga]

Of course, we could instead do something radical and actually fix the system:

• Introduce the sort of universal catastrophic health care coverage that Friedrich Hayek (yes, the great free-marketeer and critic of socialism) supported. Not pre-paid health care for all like the Left wants, just universal coverage that keeps anyone from being bankrupted by illness or injury, but leaves the primary responsibility for paying for health care with the individual or family.
• Make employer-provided health insurance (after the first reform only filling the gap until the universal catastrophic kicks in) taxable income.
• Create a mechanism whereby families, churches, other non-profits, can form groups and buy health insurance (also only filling the gap) at group rates, rather than inflated individual rates, so that the need for health insurance no longer rigidifies the labor market by, among other things, preventing people from leaving employment to set up their own businesses.

Of course this won't happen, as it would require experts who actually know something to pin down the details, rather than being a "solution" Trump has made up on his own and can propose or impose while maintaining his delusion that he is always the smartest person in the room.

[Hoodat]

Why do the Democrats Always win?

Because Republicans are the stoopid party.

[Hoodat]

The White House expects to soon unveil a health policy framework that includes a two-year extension of Obamacare subsidies due to expire at the end of next month and new limits on eligibility, according to three people granted anonymity to discuss the unannounced plans.

What part of "GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE HELL OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE INDUSTRY" do they not get?

[Hoodat]

How do the democrats win?  You can't cut people off of subsidies after all of this time cold turkey.

Why not?  They got added on cold turkey.

Slowly wean them off...yes.

Hell no.  This isn't methadone.  Cut them off now.  Today.  And within a year, you will see healthcare (and health insurance) become more affordable.  It's government that is the problem.

Heck, my health insurance just went up from $1092 a month to almost $1400 a month for a $9,000 deductible.

You can thank the federal government for that.  Without Big Brother dictating what coverage you must have, you could negotiate a better price.

How does the average person afford this?

They don't.  Which is why we need to get the Federal government the hell out of the way.

The answer is the don't and will go without if the subsidies are cut.

You mean like I did for twenty years.  I remember those days.  They were awesome.  Back then, I was the customer and was treated accordingly.  I could negotiate my own price.  Cost were lower because we had a free market with millions of customers.  Today, all that is gone.  Today, it's the insurance company that is the customer.  That free market has been replaced by an oligarchy economy with only a handful of consumers which by its very nature dictates less efficiency and higher prices.  All brought to you by a federal government that couldn't keep its grubby hands off our freedom.

Once again, government is the problem, not the solution.  Subsidize something, and you get more of it.  Subsidize high insurance premiums, and you get even higher insurance premiums.  Econ 101.

[Idiot]

Why not?  They got added on cold turkey.


Hell no.  This isn't methadone.  Cut them off now.  Today.  And within a year, you will see healthcare (and health insurance) become more affordable.  It's government that is the problem.


You can thank the federal government for that.  Without Big Brother dictating what coverage you must have, you could negotiate a better price.


They don't.  Which is why we need to get the Federal government the hell out of the way.


You mean like I did for twenty years.  I remember those days.  They were awesome.  Back then, I was the customer and was treated accordingly.  I could negotiate my own price.  Cost were lower because we had a free market with millions of customers.  Today, all that is gone.  Today, it's the insurance company that is the customer.  That free market has been replaced by an oligarchy economy with only a handful of consumers which by its very nature dictates less efficiency and higher prices.  All brought to you by a federal government that couldn't keep its grubby hands off our freedom.

Once again, government is the problem, not the solution.  Subsidize something, and you get more of it.  Subsidize high insurance premiums, and you get even higher insurance premiums.  Econ 101.

Of course I agree with you, BUT sadly 70% of our country does NOT.  And the results of cutting them off will be?....disastrous...

[Kamaji]

Of course I agree with you, BUT sadly 70% of our country does NOT.  And the results of cutting them off will be?....disastrous...

That’s a claim you still haven’t substantiated or proven. 


Are you going to vote for the democrats simply because they promise, once again, that they’ll give you someone else’s money to fix the problems they caused in the first place?

[Idiot]

That’s a claim you still haven’t substantiated or proven. 


Are you going to vote for the democrats simply because they promise, once again, that they’ll give you someone else’s money to fix the problems they caused in the first place?

Independents- which is the key demographic.
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear&group=Party%2520ID::Independent

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/us/snplus/health-and-medicine/2025/10/03/kff-health-tracking-poll-obamacare-subsidies-government-shutdown

How many more would you like?

[Hoodat]

Of course I agree with you, BUT sadly 70% of our country does NOT.  And the results of cutting them off will be?....disastrous...

Define 'disastrous' as it applies here.  Because the worst I see is that people will have to go back to what they had before, except that prices will start out four times higher, at least until government drops the rest of it.

[Hoodat]

Are you going to vote for the democrats simply because they promise, once again, that they’ll give you someone else’s money to fix the problems they caused in the first place?

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The ONLY way to fix it is to get government the hell out of the way.

[Hoodat]

How many more would you like?

So socialism is better than capitalism?

Proof:  a poll says so.

[Idiot]

Define 'disastrous' as it applies here.  Because the worst I see is that people will have to go back to what they had before, except that prices will start out four times higher, at least until government drops the rest of it.

My comments are in regard to the midterms.

[Hoodat]

My comments are in regard to the midterms.

Playing 'Democrat-lite' has not worked well for the GOP.

[Kamaji]

Independents- which is the key demographic.
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear&group=Party%2520ID::Independent

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/us/snplus/health-and-medicine/2025/10/03/kff-health-tracking-poll-obamacare-subsidies-government-shutdown

How many more would you like?

If you'd spent any time here you'd know that a poll and $4 will get you a cup of coffee,