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For this Harry the buck really did stop there.
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Huh?????   I live here in Western WA, and have heard nothing of its activity.   There were earthquake swarms last summer, but all small and nothing to be alarmed about according to experts.
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Well, the one closest in monitoring the mountain knew he was in for it.

It's what happens when you push the envelope to get data no one ever got before and don't get out in time.
You been watching Twister way to many times and their Dorothy protege
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You been watching Twister way to many times and their Dorothy protege
When you have an opportunity to gather data others have not been able to get, some folks are willing to undergo risk to life and limb to do that. There is a balance between getting information and survival, and sometimes people (science geeks) get so excited over getting the data they neglect the survival part until it is too late.  'Just one more reading' can be your last.

Fortunately, we are in an age where telemetry can get the information out long after the humans should have bugged out, and that reduces that risk to all but the most obsessed.

I only saw Twister once. Maybe that was too many times. But I have been on wellsites where we were teetering on the brink of having a 'wild well' and stood my ground. We got all of those wells under control.
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When you have an opportunity to gather data others have not been able to get, some folks are willing to undergo risk to life and limb to do that. There is a balance between getting information and survival, and sometimes people (science geeks) get so excited over getting the data they neglect the survival part until it is too late.  'Just one more reading' can be your last.

Fortunately, we are in an age where telemetry can get the information out long after the humans should have bugged out, and that reduces that risk to all but the most obsessed.

I only saw Twister once. Maybe that was too many times. But I have been on wellsites where we were teetering on the brink of having a 'wild well' and stood my ground. We got all of those wells under control.
Decades ago I worked with a rig foreman who everyone knew was nice but not much between the ears.

I always wondered why he had his job until one day an old-timer told me when a high pressure gas well was leaking around the flanges of the tree, he was the one who volunteered to tighten up those nuts.  Saved a blowout.

The Super vowed to never fire the guy as long as he lived to repay him for taking that on.
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Well, the one closest in monitoring the mountain knew he was in for it.

It's what happens when you push the envelope to get data no one ever got before and don't get out in time.

It wasn't worth it.
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It wasn't worth it.


It’s a lot easier to say that in hindsight than prospectively.
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Decades ago I worked with a rig foreman who everyone knew was nice but not much between the ears.

I always wondered why he had his job until one day an old-timer told me when a high pressure gas well was leaking around the flanges of the tree, he was the one who volunteered to tighten up those nuts.  Saved a blowout.

The Super vowed to never fire the guy as long as he lived to repay him for taking that on.
One person, in the right place at the right time, can make a difference. A guy like that deserves that loyalty, and you never know if/when you'll need him again.
Helluva risk, though. Just the high pressure gas can cut you open, even if it doesn't ignite.
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One person, in the right place at the right time, can make a difference. A guy like that deserves that loyalty, and you never know if/when you'll need him again.
Helluva risk, though. Just the high pressure gas can cut you open, even if it doesn't ignite.
Yeah, Shut in Tubing Pressure for those Deep Vicksburg wells demanded 20,000 psi trees.
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Yeah, Shut in Tubing Pressure for those Deep Vicksburg wells demanded 20,000 psi trees.
The highest rated hardware I've handled was rated for 15K. That's a lot of iron wrapped around a little space. It takes a pair to even go near that if it's leaking.
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The highest rated hardware I've handled was rated for 15K. That's a lot of iron wrapped around a little space. It takes a pair to even go near that if it's leaking.
18.2 ppg mud.

We stacked barite stacks  on pallets to use.

South Texas is a legendary hellhole drilling deep.

In 1982 we went after a possible oolitic play at 21,000 ft.

The steel to handle a 20% H2S/ 50% CO2 gas stream could not be manufactured in the US by our partner US Steel. 

We had to source the steel from Japan.

Fortunately, it was a dry hole so we did not have to produce that devil formation.
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18.2 ppg mud.

We stacked barite stacks  on pallets to use.

South Texas is a legendary hellhole drilling deep.

In 1982 we went after a possible oolitic play at 21,000 ft.

The steel to handle a 20% H2S/ 50% CO2 gas stream could not be manufactured in the US by our partner US Steel. 

We had to source the steel from Japan.

Fortunately, it was a dry hole so we did not have to produce that devil formation.
The first Bakken well I ever worked was in 1980, vertical hole, an accidental discovery (fractures) we drilled under balanced with 12.95 mud because 13.0 would knock the bottom out. Literally, just down the hill from was a well drilled to the Red River FM that had a lot less pressure at 13,500', but the sample chamber in the 'successful' DST had oil and 35% H2S. Tenneco plugged it rather than fool with keeping the flares lit and the production string together. Considering the badlands topography there and the potential for tragedy, I think they were wise. (Most ranches are at the bottom of the valleys there.) In those days, crappy flare stacks compared to today's tech blew out all too often, and the Duperow/Fryburg field up the hill often reeked of Sour Gas. To this day, there is a lot I can't smell. (My kids are under orders to let me know if I smell bad because I'm likely to miss what everyone around me can't avoid.)

The highest 'real' mud weight (polymer) I ran with was 13.8 in Wyoming, but far shallower than the deep wells in Texas. I won't say any more because I think there is an untapped field there.
I never got to work the Madden Deep, there, but it hits ~13,500 psi at ~18,000 ft. out of the Cody Sand. They burned a few rigs out that way before they got a handle on it.

Some of the early 'Bakken Fairway' horizontal wells required calcium bromide brine (14.2, but brine, not 'mud') to keep a lid on, and we flared a lot of gas while we were drilling.

Whatever it is, no matter how shallow or deep, if you're off by a pound, it can be very serious. There is no substitute for good rigs/crews/supervision and well maintained iron. I have worked over 300 wells in eight states, and none got away.
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@IsailedawayfromFR @Smokin Joe I understood about every 3rd or 4th word and sort of figured out what you were talking bout after watching a season of Landman. Scary $H!T.
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@IsailedawayfromFR @Smokin Joe I understood about every 3rd or 4th word and sort of figured out what you were talking bout after watching a season of Landman. Scary $H!T.
I have watched Landman. The technical aspects of the show are mostly Hollywood. The real beauty of it is that it captures the effects oilfield work has on relationships very well. If you've been in the patch for twenty years, through a couple boom/bust cycles and relocations and don't have a couple divorces behind you, you either stayed single or were incredibly lucky to find the rare sort of spouse who gets the lifestyle and sticks with you (and the economic ups and downs that come with having a $100+K job one day and wishing in your hand the next--and that can change back with a phone call). You don't financially plan like 'normal' folks, you make hay while the sun shines, remain conservative enough you can keep what you get if things go flat, and are constantly saving for the next rainy day.
Yes, it has it's moments, but it gets in your blood.
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Whatever it is, no matter how shallow or deep, if you're off by a pound, it can be very serious. There is no substitute for good rigs/crews/supervision and well maintained iron. I have worked over 300 wells in eight states, and none got away.
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You ain't kidding.

While in Bakersfield, i was initially tasked with following up the 1998 Lost Hills gusher which blew out while drilling at 17,657' in the Temblor formation.  The blowout swallowed the rig and everything on the rig site and was too much for even Boots and Coots to handle.  The relief well used 17 ppg mud to control the blowout while the gusher continued for 6 months flowing up to 100 mmcfd gas and 25,000 bwpd.  http://www.sjvgeology.org/history/gushers.html

I thank God to this day that we were unsuccessful in a stepout well to that discover.  I feel it is, similar what happens to some evil people, some wells just need a killing.
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I have watched Landman. The technical aspects of the show are mostly Hollywood. The real beauty of it is that it captures the effects oilfield work has on relationships very well. If you've been in the patch for twenty years, through a couple boom/bust cycles and relocations and don't have a couple divorces behind you, you either stayed single or were incredibly lucky to find the rare sort of spouse who gets the lifestyle and sticks with you (and the economic ups and downs that come with having a $100+K job one day and wishing in your hand the next--and that can change back with a phone call). You don't financially plan like 'normal' folks, you make hay while the sun shines, remain conservative enough you can keep what you get if things go flat, and are constantly saving for the next rainy day.
Yes, it has it's moments, but it gets in your blood.
I enjoy it as well and Billy Bob Thornton is surprisingly a very good actor.  Its dramatic episodes represent real life experiences oilfield folks have to deal with.

The oilfield is unique in its cyclic nature of boom and bust.  It took me around the world a number of times and visited a number of places I would not have been able to go to as a tourist (like Libya). 

In spite of being laid off 3 times, I would not have traded my experiences for any other career.

And I know my long-deceased grandfather, entering in the 1930s as a rig-hand and diesel mechanic, would have said the exact same thing.
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I enjoy it as well and Billy Bob Thornton is surprisingly a very good actor.  Its dramatic episodes represent real life experiences oilfield folks have to deal with.

The oilfield is unique in its cyclic nature of boom and bust.  It took me around the world a number of times and visited a number of places I would not have been able to go to as a tourist (like Libya). 

In spite of being laid off 3 times, I would not have traded my experiences for any other career.

And I know my long-deceased grandfather, entering in the 1930s as a rig-hand and diesel mechanic, would have said the exact same thing.

I have no regrets and very few complaints regarding my working career.

I thoroughly enjoy watching the Landman series. Favorite episode so far was seeing the lady lawyer get schooled on windmills!
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I have no regrets and very few complaints regarding my working career.

I thoroughly enjoy watching the Landman series. Favorite episode so far was seeing the lady lawyer get schooled on windmills!

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You ain't kidding.

While in Bakersfield, i was initially tasked with following up the 1998 Lost Hills gusher which blew out while drilling at 17,657' in the Temblor formation.  The blowout swallowed the rig and everything on the rig site and was too much for even Boots and Coots to handle.  The relief well used 17 ppg mud to control the blowout while the gusher continued for 6 months flowing up to 100 mmcfd gas and 25,000 bwpd.  http://www.sjvgeology.org/history/gushers.html

I thank God to this day that we were unsuccessful in a stepout well to that discover.  I feel it is, similar what happens to some evil people, some wells just need a killing.
Wow.
I can honestly say I never worked anything like that.

All the strictly directional (non horizontal) wells I worked were either because of structural deviation (Grieve Unit, Between Casper, WY and Hell's Half Acre), the target being offset from the surface location, or were multiple directional deep disposal wells drilled from the same pad.

Early on we did a lot of whipstocking out of casing drilling Madison and later Bakken wells. The Bakken wells, we did multiple laterals within the spacing from the same wellbore (Elm Coulee Field, and a few up in the Beaver Lodge Field).

Back then in Elm Coulee, we only ran intermediate casing to the pay and open hole completed the laterals. After a frac pumper went down in the middle of a frac and collapsed a mile of lateral (never got back into that one) they all were lined.

Shortly after that we started getting walking rigs which could be moved over new wellbores and be back to drilling within 24 hours, and the real era of multiwell pads and parallel laterals began (what we mostly still do today). Of course, the Bakken Boom went a little deeper and got the Three Forks (just below the lower Bakken Shale) and we have drilled the heck out of that, too.

In all, I've worked horizontal wells in ten formations in five states, so, it's been interesting. It seems odd to run into guys in the field for fifteen or more years who have never worked a vertical well, and never seen a kelly rig.
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I have no regrets and very few complaints regarding my working career.

I thoroughly enjoy watching the Landman series. Favorite episode so far was seeing the lady lawyer get schooled on windmills!

I loved that episode as well. He was saying almost exactly what I had been telling a number of my students several weeks before.
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I loved that episode as well. He was saying almost exactly what I had been telling a number of my students several weeks before.
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