USDA says SNAP benefits to be cut off due to Democrat shutdown: ‘The well has run dry’

[mountaineer]

What?

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
BREAKING via AP
Judges order the federal government to use contingency funds for SNAP food aid payments during the shutdown.
2:18 PM · Oct 31, 2025

[mountaineer]

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-10-31-2025
Live updates: Trump administration must fund SNAP payments during the shutdown, judges rule
Follow the latest news on President Donald Trump and his administration | Oct. 31, 2025
 Edited By  CURTIS YEE, CARLEY PETESCH, BRIDGET BROWN and R.J. RICO
Updated 3:11 PM EDT, October 31, 2025


Two federal judges ruled nearly simultaneously on Friday that President Donald Trump’s administration must continue to fund SNAP, the nation’s biggest food aid program, using contingency funds during the government shutdown.

The rulings came a day before the U.S. Department of Agriculture planned to freeze payments to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program because it said it could no longer keep funding it due to the shutdown.

The program serves about 1 in 8 Americans and is a major piece of the nation’s social safety net. Word in October that it would be a Nov. 1 casualty of the shutdown sent states, food banks and SNAP recipients scrambling to figure out how to secure food. Some states said they would spend their own funds to keep versions of the program going.

It wasn’t immediately clear how quickly the debit cards that beneficiaries use to buy groceries could be reloaded after the ruling. That process often takes one to two weeks.  ...

By what freakin authority?

[catfish1957]

I've said enough the past 30 years on-line what I think about entitlement junkies. 

 

[Hoodat]

By what freakin authority?

You clearly don't understand how fascism works.

[Wingnut]

What?

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
BREAKING via AP
Judges order the federal government to use contingency funds for SNAP food aid payments during the shutdown.
2:18 PM · Oct 31, 2025

Dolies are a protected class. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

A Justice Department lawyer argued during a hearing that the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program did not exist anymore because there were no congressionally appropriated funds for it as a result of the shutdown.

So the judge is now making up his own law.

Destroying democracy, anyone?

[Bigun]

Ex parte Merryman (1861). Merryman involved the executive branch's refusal to comply with a U.S. circuit court decision that President Abraham Lincoln's suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was invalid.

Lincoln refused to comply and did so again on several occasions! There is a huge memorial to him in Washington D. C.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/AmericaPapaBear/status/1984099417386053779

[Hoodat]

[mountaineer]

Nancy Pearcey
@NancyRPearcey
"Stop feeding people who despise the hand that feeds them."
9:07 PM · Oct 29, 2025

[Smokin Joe]

https://twitter.com/AmericaPapaBear/status/1984099417386053779

Note Nails, hair, nose ring, ink, etc...

Yo! Real po folks and eating while making the vid.

[mystery-ak]

Fetterman Apologizes for Dems Not Getting Their ‘Sh-t Together’ to Open Government

Thursday, in an interview with CNN’s Manu Raju, Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) apologized on behalf of Democrats who have not voted to end the government shutdown.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/10/31/fetterman-apologizes-for-dems-not-getting-their-sh-t-together-to-open-government/

[catfish1957]

Fetterman Apologizes for Dems Not Getting Their ‘Sh-t Together’ to Open Government

Thursday, in an interview with CNN’s Manu Raju, Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) apologized on behalf of Democrats who have not voted to end the government shutdown.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/10/31/fetterman-apologizes-for-dems-not-getting-their-sh-t-together-to-open-government/

Blaming shutdown on the dims with MSM?   The dims may not wait to primary him.  Lawfare for Lurch I am guessing, 

[240B]

It is not as bad as is being reported. Most SNAP people under Biden and Obama were getting a thousand or thousands every month. It was more than they could ever spend on food. Their accounts ballooned into thousands of dollars. Most SNAP people have a surplus in their accounts that will carry them through weeks or months of a shutdown.

If not, then something else is going on not related to food or "starvation".

[Sighlass]

I guess the question now is how far out of town with people-that-steal will Walmart have to close it's door to door/curb delivery only. I am sure these folks will travel if the local hood Wally World takes preventatives.

I wonder what percentage food prices go up in such neighborhoods due to thief? 20% probable, because you have to factor in the people that are being hired just to keep the five-fingered discounts down. Wally World better turn on all them cameras... and folks better get used to being profiled for what the admit they are "already" doing.

[libertybele]

By what freakin authority?

Likely none....and this is exactly how the DEMS are now going to blame Trump and the GOP if he/they don't comply.

[libertybele]

It is not as bad as is being reported. Most SNAP people under Biden and Obama were getting a thousand or thousands every month. It was more than they could ever spend on food. Their accounts ballooned into thousands of dollars. Most SNAP people have a surplus in their accounts that will carry them through weeks or months of a shutdown.

If not, then something else is going on not related to food or "starvation".

It doesn't matter.  The MSM is conveying the message of coming starvation for these people who are dependent on SNAP.

[Kamaji]

Time for an emergency appeal.

[240B]

If you are well enough ...
If you are fit enough to go out and rob stores, then how are you 'starving'?

If you are healthy enough that you can get up and go out to loot supermarkets, than how are you so-called 'disabled'?
(maybe they are 'disabled' in the Ketanji Brown Jackson definition)

[Hoodat]

It doesn't matter.  The MSM is conveying the message of coming starvation for these people who are dependent on SNAP.

The only ones dependent on SNAP are Democrat politicians.

[Hoodat]

Time for an emergency appeal.

Didn't SCOTUS recently issue a ruling on judicial overreach?  Two Obama-appointed District judges do not have authority to override the Constitution of the United States of America.  Trump should tell them to pound sand.

[mountaineer]

[Kamaji]

Didn't SCOTUS recently issue a ruling on judicial overreach?  Two Obama-appointed District judges do not have authority to override the Constitution of the United States of America.  Trump should tell them to pound sand.

There may be legal authority for the use of a contingency fund.  According to the Boston judge's opinion, Congress authorized a fund to mitigate problems with paying benefits.

We shall see what an appeals court says.

[mountaineer]

ADAM CAROLLA: “The average female who gets no free food from the government is 146 lbs. The average SNAP recipient is 211 lbs … Nobody could benefit from a nice fast more than SNAP recipients.”

https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1983692938833228004

[libertybele]

I would venture to say that those who are dependent on SNAP aren't going to see this commentary on SNAP and the conflict in court rulings.  All they are going to hear from this point forward is that a federal judge ruled that Trump has to fund SNAP.

CNN and MSNBC are reporting that federal judges are saying Trump has to fund SNAP -- this will likely reach those on SNAP before any message from Trump and the GOP does. 

The DEMS have the liberal  judges on their side and they likely knew this was going to happen and the GOP will now be blamed, so Trump & the GOP are going to have to comply.  Issue by issue this is likely to now happen.  Game over.

Judges rule Trump administration must use emergency funds to pay some SNAP benefits

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-government-shutdown-snap-benefits-10-31-25


Federal judge orders USDA to fully fund food stamp program

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/judge-food-stamps-snap-benefits-government-shutdown-rcna240924

[IsailedawayfromFR]

There may be legal authority for the use of a contingency fund.  According to the Boston judge's opinion, Congress authorized a fund to mitigate problems with paying benefits.

We shall see what an appeals court says.

Congress has not funded any budget for the federal government.  Any SNAP contingent funds authorized by Congress would appear to be allocated only if the federal government was functioning.

It is not.

And it is not the purview of a court to decide what the Executive's prerogatives should be.  Clearly Executive is operating within the Constitution Art 2.

The states all have provisions as well to take care of welfare.  Massachusetts specifically has a contingency fund to do so.  And that state still has a functioning government funded to handle it.  But they refuse

[Smokin Joe]

It is not as bad as is being reported. Most SNAP people under Biden and Obama were getting a thousand or thousands every month. It was more than they could ever spend on food. Their accounts ballooned into thousands of dollars. Most SNAP people have a surplus in their accounts that will carry them through weeks or months of a shutdown.

If not, then something else is going on not related to food or "starvation".

Ever notice how some of them have immaculate nails, salon hair, piercings and/or jewelry, drive Escalades?

On the street, it used to be 50 cents on the dollar for food stamps. Deals have been made on EBT balances, some better, some worse, which is why those poor folks can afford immaculate nails, salon hair, piercings and/or jewelry, and to drive Escalades. Not very many look like they've missed a meal since Columbus found the New World, either.

[Kamaji]

Congress has not funded any budget for the federal government.  Any SNAP contingent funds authorized by Congress would appear to be allocated only if the federal government was functioning.

It is not.

And it is not the purview of a courty to decide what the Executive's prerogatives should be.  Clearly Executive is operating within the Constitution Art 2.

The states all have provisions as well to take care of welfare.  Massachusetts specifically has a contingency fund to do so.  And that state still has a functioning government funded to handle it.  But they refuse

Not according to the statements in the opinion.  There is nothing in principal that would prevent Congress from creating a contingency fund to become operative in the case of a shutdown, and so there seems to be something that an appeals court should weigh in on.

Reading the actual opinions, rather than hearsay and third-person reportage, is normally a useful exercise.

[Smokin Joe]

Not according to the statements in the opinion.  There is nothing in principal that would prevent Congress from creating a contingency fund to become operative in the case of a shutdown, and so there seems to be something that an appeals court should weigh in on.

Reading the actual opinions, rather than hearsay and third-person reportage, is normally a useful exercise.

Create enough cut-outs and the shutdown becomes moot. Nope. Stick to the original plan and do not give an inch. Just keep reminding people that the Dems own this.

[rmc51]

What Happens When SNAP Runs Out?
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/10/31/what-happens-when-snap-runs-out-n1230447?utm_source=badaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=fc85d9fd0a377773055f1925941bbce485d3c69b5dace0c187ab5912dd7d0cd7&lctg=26251812

https://twitter.com/EBTofTikTok/status/1983597105970344279

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[Cyber Liberty]

Not according to the statements in the opinion.  There is nothing in principal that would prevent Congress from creating a contingency fund to become operative in the case of a shutdown, and so there seems to be something that an appeals court should weigh in on.

Reading the actual opinions, rather than hearsay and third-person reportage, is normally a useful exercise.

I heard Trump has requested clarification from the court.

[Hoodat]

There may be legal authority for the use of a contingency fund.  According to the Boston judge's opinion, Congress authorized a fund to mitigate problems with paying benefits.

We shall see what an appeals court says.

The contingency fund can only be used to supplement existing budgeted funding.  Let's say $7 billion was budgeted by Congress to cover SNAP payments for November, but it ended up costing $8 billion.  The role of the contingency fund is to cover that difference.

It doesn't apply to the current situation since there has been no money budgeted to cover November costs.

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/AmericaPapaBear/status/1983271587945267306

[rmc51]

https://twitter.com/AmericaPapaBear/status/1983271587945267306

Not many of them around, today, Far and few in-between,

 



 
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[mountaineer]

Here's part of the problem:

[Hoodat]

[Free Vulcan]

I also read a couple of days ago that 70% of SNAP, EBT, WIC go to - you guessed it - illegal aliens.

So how motivated am I for them to start those programs up again.

[Kamaji]

I also read a couple of days ago that 70% of SNAP, EBT, WIC go to - you guessed it - illegal aliens.

So how motivated am I for them to start those programs up again.

Meaning, since about 42 million people get SNAP benefits, that there are almost 30 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. - except that figure is way in excess of illegal aliens in the U.S.  So, doubtful that 70% of SNAP benefits go to illegals.

[Cyber Liberty]

Meaning, since about 42 million people get SNAP benefits, that there are almost 30 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. - except that figure is way in excess of illegal aliens in the U.S.  So, doubtful that 70% of SNAP benefits go to illegals.

The number of illegal aliens receiving SNAP payments should be zero.

[Free Vulcan]

Meaning, since about 42 million people get SNAP benefits, that there are almost 30 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. - except that figure is way in excess of illegal aliens in the U.S.  So, doubtful that 70% of SNAP benefits go to illegals.

But you don't know how many illegals there are in this country, so that's an empty bluff.

[Kamaji]

The number of illegal aliens receiving SNAP payments should be zero.

I'm not arguing that point.

[Kamaji]

But you don't know how many illegals there are in this country, so that's an empty bluff.

"Bluff"?  Hardly.  Merely pointing out that you're letting your emotions override rational thought, and that just makes you look stupid.

[Free Vulcan]

"Bluff"?  Hardly.  Merely pointing out that you're letting your emotions override rational thought, and that just makes you look stupid.

Speaking of which, you've still not offered any proof of you statement.

[Kamaji]

Speaking of which, you've still not offered any proof of you statement.

That you're making yourself look stupid?  That's pretty self-evident.

[Free Vulcan]

That you're making yourself look stupid?  That's pretty self-evident.

And yet again, you've offered nothing but your own authority.

[Hoodat]

Illegal Immigrants To Be Hit Hard As SNAP and WIC Benefits Expire

Steven A. Camarota  |  October 30, 2025

Federal funding for the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) nutrition program and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), also called food stamps, runs out on Saturday due to the government shutdown. The funding cut-off will hit illegal immigrants hard. The Center’s 2023 analysis of government survey data shows households headed by illegal immigrants make extensive use of the welfare system, particularly food assistance programs.

Among our prior findings:

• Of households headed by illegal immigrants, CIS estimated that 59 percent use one or more welfare programs — cash, food assistance, Medicaid, or housing.
  
  
• Illegal immigrant households have especially high use of food programs, with 48 percent enrolled in one or more of these programs — SNAP, WIC, or school lunch/breakfast.
  
  
• In particular, our analysis found that 17 percent of illegal immigrant households used SNAP.
  
  
• In addition to food programs, 18 percent of illegal immigrant households were enrolled in one of the cash programs; 4 percent were using a housing program; and 39 percent used Medicaid.
  
  
• Illegal immigrants often receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. Some states provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants, and a few offer SNAP. Several million illegal immigrants also have been issued Social Security numbers allowing them to receive cash payments from the earned income tax credit if they work.
  
  
• Many immigrants have modest levels of education and low incomes, so suspension of WIC and SNAP will impact a large share of this population. But this situation raises important policy questions, including whether it makes sense to have an immigration system that allows in so many people who turn to taxpayers to support their children.

Link to earlier report: https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn

Direct link to Excel tables: here

https://cis.org/Camarota/Illegal-Immigrants-Be-Hit-Hard-SNAP-and-WIC-Benefits-Expire

[Kamaji]

Illegal Immigrants To Be Hit Hard As SNAP and WIC Benefits Expire

Steven A. Camarota  |  October 30, 2025

Federal funding for the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) nutrition program and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), also called food stamps, runs out on Saturday due to the government shutdown. The funding cut-off will hit illegal immigrants hard. The Center’s 2023 analysis of government survey data shows households headed by illegal immigrants make extensive use of the welfare system, particularly food assistance programs.

Among our prior findings:

• Of households headed by illegal immigrants, CIS estimated that 59 percent use one or more welfare programs — cash, food assistance, Medicaid, or housing.
  
  
• Illegal immigrant households have especially high use of food programs, with 48 percent enrolled in one or more of these programs — SNAP, WIC, or school lunch/breakfast.
  
  
• In particular, our analysis found that 17 percent of illegal immigrant households used SNAP.
  
  
• In addition to food programs, 18 percent of illegal immigrant households were enrolled in one of the cash programs; 4 percent were using a housing program; and 39 percent used Medicaid.
  
  
• Illegal immigrants often receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. Some states provide Medicaid to illegal immigrants, and a few offer SNAP. Several million illegal immigrants also have been issued Social Security numbers allowing them to receive cash payments from the earned income tax credit if they work.
  
  
• Many immigrants have modest levels of education and low incomes, so suspension of WIC and SNAP will impact a large share of this population. But this situation raises important policy questions, including whether it makes sense to have an immigration system that allows in so many people who turn to taxpayers to support their children.

Link to earlier report: https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn

Direct link to Excel tables: here

https://cis.org/Camarota/Illegal-Immigrants-Be-Hit-Hard-SNAP-and-WIC-Benefits-Expire

Thank you for the data.  That sounds more likely.

[catfish1957]

Thank you for the data.  That sounds more likely.

Wife volunteers at a Food Pantry.  Though our town is only about 20% minority,  she says that 60-70% of clients are minorities, and 75% of them are from other towns and areas. 

I don't want to be too crude, but a good line share of them are rude, greedy,  and entitlement focused.   Of course though, they turn no one away, though the crew there knows that a lot of their intent is re-sale, or store returns.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Not according to the statements in the opinion.  There is nothing in principal that would prevent Congress from creating a contingency fund to become operative in the case of a shutdown, and so there seems to be something that an appeals court should weigh in on.

Reading the actual opinions, rather than hearsay and third-person reportage, is normally a useful exercise.

are you actually saying that a budget that does not exist actually does exist?

Can't put my head around that thinking.

It might be useful to you to stop reading opinion pieces and use the old noggin for a change.

No budget exists.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The contingency fund can only be used to supplement existing budgeted funding.  Let's say $7 billion was budgeted by Congress to cover SNAP payments for November, but it ended up costing $8 billion.  The role of the contingency fund is to cover that difference.

It doesn't apply to the current situation since there has been no money budgeted to cover November costs.

Exactly.

There is no budget authorized at present, so there is no ability to have a deficiency