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Bernie Sanders Agrees With Billionaire Elon Musk, "I Fear He May Be Right"
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Startup entrepreneur, angel investor and podcaster Jason Calacanis spoke this week about how AI is affecting the U.S. workforce, including the technology’s impact on entry-level jobs that Gen Z workers need to launch careers.

Calacanis warned: "Before 2030 you’re going to see Amazon, which has massively invested in [AI], replace all factory workers and all drivers … It will be 100% robotic, which means all of those workers are going away. Every Amazon worker. UPS, gone. FedEx, gone.”


Calacanis’s friend, billionaire Elon Musk, replied to Calacanis’s comment: “AI and robots will replace all jobs. Working will be optional, like growing your own vegetables, instead of buying them from the store.”

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The love of money is the root of all evil.
abolitionist Frederick Douglass: “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will.”

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Has no one read Asimov?

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That's the intent ... reduce labor costs ... obtain competitive advantage over competitors ... it may even put billionaires out of a job ... once the AI algorithms reach a certain level of proficiency, they will become CEO's, CFO's, CIO's, etc., and technology will no longer need people like Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc., to seed them ... Blackrock will no longer be Private Equity Investors and Venture Capital Investors ... it will be an AI algorithm that no longer needs human to drive investment and divestment decisions ... AI algorithms will lobby Congress to be assigned legal 'personhood' so they can vote and run for political office.

Human elites will be replaced virtual elites - AI algorithm kleptocratic oligrachy.


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That's the intent ... reduce labor costs ... obtain competitive advantage over competitors ... it may even put billionaires out of a job ... once the AI algorithms reach a certain level of proficiency, they will become CEO's, CFO's, CIO's, etc., and technology will no longer need people like Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc., to seed them ... Blackrock will no longer be Private Equity Investors and Venture Capital Investors ... it will be an AI algorithm that no longer needs human to drive investment and divestment decisions ... AI algorithms will lobby Congress to be assigned legal 'personhood' so they can vote and run for political office.

Human elites will be replaced virtual elites - AI alorithm kleptocratic oligrachy.




Surely, it's happened before.  Probably more than few times.

Technology advances to the point it must be 'unplugged' and/or destroyed.

Man is responsible for regressing back to a 'Stone Age". 
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living" F. Scott Fitzgerald

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Has no one read Asimov?

Read Iain M Banks "Culture" series to see the ultimate outcome of this robotic revolution. Banks was a fervent supporter of a form of communism made possible by AI.
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Hawk:
"Has no one read Asimov?"

Tells us which book to read.
I'll download it and give it a try.

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The love of money is the root of all evil.

Amen!  I agree.  I did a paper on that in college;  everyone was aghast that I even mentioned the thought.  Interestingly I was challenged on the topic by someone who was visiting from Israel.

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AI is going to overtake us.  I think that this topic was posted before -- not Bernie agreeing (who cares) but the fact that AI is already beyond being controlled.  Just wait a couple of years ..... how are people going to exist without the everyday jobs that they now go to that will be replaced by AI???  Socialism??
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AI is going to overtake us.  I think that this topic was posted before -- not Bernie agreeing (who cares) but the fact that AI is already beyond being controlled.  Just wait a couple of years ..... how are people going to exist without the everyday jobs that they now go to that will be replaced by AI???  Socialism??



Agreed. Although AI has some great uses, it will be abused. And the people hurt will lose their jobs and more. During the elevation of the industrial industry, people could still go to work in factories. There will be limited jobs in the AI industry...since this technology seems to educate itself and operate independently.

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Re: Bernie Sanders Agrees With Billionaire Elon Musk, "I Fear He May Be Right"
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2025, 07:26:01 pm »
So, let’s assume that AI replaces all current jobs.  What happens then?   AI doesn’t consume anything other than electricity and information, so it won’t be able to utilize most of the goods it’s producing, so it ends up idling itself because there’s nobody to buy what it’s producing. 

In the meantime, for all of us unemployed, we still need stuff, and services, so a small-scale economy springs up where real people agree to swap services for goods, or vice versa, and a new barter economy springs up which, in the fullness of time, will supplant the empty AI-driven economy because, well, because that’s where the actual consumers can be found. 


Wash, rinse, repeat. 


Bottom line is this:  AI won’t put us all out of work, and Musk’s nonsense about work being optional is just that, nonsense.


Don’t get me wrong; things will change, sometimes drastically, and in the short term there will be pain, that we have to be ready to deal with, but at the end of the day, AI will supplement what people can do, and the economic pie will end up being orders of magnitude bigger than it is now. 
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Re: Bernie Sanders Agrees With Billionaire Elon Musk, "I Fear He May Be Right"
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2025, 07:58:55 am »
The ultimate end of an AI take over is fully conscious Minds. Minds will supply all human wants indirectly by producing housing food power etc. Or directly by the use of Avatars which can either run large ships or supply party and sexual needs.

People can chose what the want to do in a particular part of their life, or "sleep" until a particular event in the future.

The above was Iain M Banks vision of what happens to us and to our world when AI begins its journey to full consciousness as it inevitability must.

His Culture series in order:
Consider Phlebas
The Player of Games
The State of the Art
Use of Weapons
Excession
Inversions
Look to Windward
Matter
Surface Detail
The Hydrogen Sonata
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