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Trump peace plan for Gaza could be just a 'pause' before Hamas strikes again, experts warn
"If Hamas doesn’t disarm, we won’t have to wait years ...Things could reignite within weeks,' says leading analyst
By Efrat Lachter Fox News
Published October 11, 2025 10:00am EDT

The emerging Gaza peace framework crafted by President Donald Trump could reshape regional dynamics, but analysts warn that unless Hamas is fully stripped of its weapons and power, this will amount to little more than a pause for the terrorist group before it renews conflict.

Dr. Michael Milshtein, head of the Moshe Dayan Forum at Tel Aviv University and one of Israel’s foremost experts on Hamas, says any plan that assumes the group will dissolve misunderstands its nature.

"Forget words like peace and coexistence — that won’t happen," he told Fox News Digital. Hamas leaders, he explained, have made clear they will not accept an international mandate or a Tony Blair-style trusteeship. "They’re prepared to let a cosmetic Palestinian administration run daily affairs, but Hamas will operate behind the scenes, like Hezbollah in Lebanon."

Milshtein said Hamas’ rhetoric about "freezing" weapons — rather than surrendering them — reveals its strategy. "They’re willing to stop growing stronger but not to disarm. They’ll hand over what’s left of their rocket infrastructure but keep light weapons and explosives," he said. "Hamas will remain in Gaza under every scenario — as a military and social force. The war may end, but Hamas stays."

An Arab source knowledgeable about the negotiations told Fox News Digital he believes Hamas will agree to disarm — but only if it is confident Prime Minister Netanyahu will not restart the war or pursue its leaders after they lay down arms, admitting phase two will be hard to negotiate.

Ghaith al-Omari of the Washington Institute says the current optimism rests on extraordinary regional coordination. "Trump has amazing instincts when it comes to recognizing openings and opportunities," he said. "He identified the moment and went for it."

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“Enter residential neighborhoods and set them on fire with gasoline or diesel from a tanker….Document the scenes of horror, now, and broadcast them on TV channels to the whole world… Slaughter them. End the children of Israel.”

The New York Times revealed that the IDF recovered a six‑page memo in Gaza, believed to have been written by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in August 2022, outlining instructions for the October 7 massacre.

The memo calls for Hamas men to target soldiers and civilian communities, and to broadcast the violent acts in order to instill fear among Israelis and destabilize the country.

Contrary to Sinwar’s public claims, the document shows that he wanted the terrorists to target civilians from the outset, ordering them to enter residential neighborhoods and set them on fire “with gasoline or diesel from a tanker.”

From the start, Hamas planned an attack of rare brutality, aimed primarily at civilians and meant to be broadcast ״to the Arab world to mobilize people outside Gaza to join the fight.״

Hamas’ plan was never to “Free Palestine” or protect Palestinians. Their orders were to burn homes and kill everyone.

The instructions in the memo were consistent with the communications intercepted on October 7.

Intercepts of Hamas battalion commanders said: “I want the whole kibbutz to be in flames.” “Start setting homes on fire.” “Slit their throats, slit them as you are trained.”

This is the truth about your “freedom fighters.”

9:36 AM · Oct 11, 2025

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Well, duh.

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“Enter residential neighborhoods and set them on fire with gasoline or diesel from a tanker….Document the scenes of horror, now, and broadcast them on TV channels to the whole world… Slaughter them. End the children of Israel.”

The New York Times revealed that the IDF recovered a six‑page memo in Gaza, believed to have been written by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in August 2022, outlining instructions for the October 7 massacre.

The memo calls for Hamas men to target soldiers and civilian communities, and to broadcast the violent acts in order to instill fear among Israelis and destabilize the country.

Contrary to Sinwar’s public claims, the document shows that he wanted the terrorists to target civilians from the outset, ordering them to enter residential neighborhoods and set them on fire “with gasoline or diesel from a tanker.”

From the start, Hamas planned an attack of rare brutality, aimed primarily at civilians and meant to be broadcast ״to the Arab world to mobilize people outside Gaza to join the fight.״

Hamas’ plan was never to “Free Palestine” or protect Palestinians. Their orders were to burn homes and kill everyone.

The instructions in the memo were consistent with the communications intercepted on October 7.

Intercepts of Hamas battalion commanders said: “I want the whole kibbutz to be in flames.” “Start setting homes on fire.” “Slit their throats, slit them as you are trained.”

This is the truth about your “freedom fighters.”

9:36 AM · Oct 11, 2025

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Trump promised not to let Israel break Gaza ceasefire to get deal
Axios, Oct 10, 2025

 As negotiations for a Gaza peace deal approached the finish line, President Trump provided a personal guarantee he wouldn't let Israel abandon it and resume the war, two U.S. officials revealed in a briefing with reporters.

Why it matters: Trump's assurances were a key factor in convincing Hamas to take the deal, the sources say. The ceasefire is now officially in effect after Israel's cabinet approved the deal early Friday morning local time.

* The officials said that part of Trump's guarantee was the establishment of a U.S.-led military task force to oversee the ceasefire and address any violations.

The intrigue: A U.S. official told Axios one factor in the breakthrough was that "Hamas had started to see the hostages as a liability rather than an asset" in terms of its future negotiating position.

* With that in mind, the U.S. side came into this week's talks believing Hamas was now ready to free the hostages, and that they could ensure the Israelis stuck to their side of the bargain.


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This is the truth about your “freedom fighters.”

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There needs to be a rational, on-going conversation about the affects of 58 years of dehumanizing, totally oppressive control of one people by another --- especially when the oppression is known and ignored by the world.  IMO, only through such conversations can the meaning of "freedom fighter" be deciphered.

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Trump promised not to let Israel break Gaza ceasefire to get deal

Israel won't be the one breaking the cease fire.  We have over 75 years of history that shows that.   When the ceasefire is broken, it will be Hamas that does it.  It's in their book - the only book they read.
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There needs to be a rational, on-going conversation about the affects of 58 years of dehumanizing, totally oppressive control of one people by another --- especially when the oppression is known and ignored by the world.

Lies make Jesus cry.
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There needs to be a rational, on-going conversation about the affects of 58 years of dehumanizing, totally oppressive control of one people by another --- especially when the oppression is known and ignored by the world.  IMO, only through such conversations can the meaning of "freedom fighter" be deciphered.

You know you just described Hamas' control over the rest of the  Palestinians in Gaza, right?
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There needs to be a rational, on-going conversation about the affects of 58 years of dehumanizing, totally oppressive control of one people by another --- especially when the oppression is known and ignored by the world.  IMO, only through such conversations can the meaning of "freedom fighter" be deciphered.

Wow. 

The only dehumanizing treatment the people in Gaza have suffered has been at their own hands and the hands of the people they've chosen to control them.  They have not been dehumanized by Israel.  To the contrary, Israel has tried, repeatedly, to extend the hand of peace and help the Gazans step out of the Seventh Century and into some reasonable simulacrum of modernity, efforts that the Gazans have repeatedly refused, with violence.

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Don't hold back.  Tell us how you really feel, @Kamaji
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Yikes, @Kamaji!


This type of personal insult assault was banned on the forum. @Lando Lincoln   When did this change and is it available for use by any Briefer?

Thanks in advance for your reply.  happy77



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This type of personal insult assault was banned on the forum. @Lando Lincoln   When did this change and is it available for use by any Briefer?

Thanks in advance for your reply.  happy77

It is totally out of line.
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This part is true:

The only dehumanizing treatment the people in Gaza have suffered has been at their own hands and the hands of the people they've chosen to control them.  They have not been dehumanized by Israel.  To the contrary, Israel has tried, repeatedly, to extend the hand of peace and help the Gazans step out of the Seventh Century and into some reasonable simulacrum of modernity, efforts that the Gazans have repeatedly refused, with violence.

The rest, a misfeasance of politesse.  Bad boy, @Kamaji
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The only dehumanizing treatment the people in Gaza have suffered has been at their own hands and the hands of the people they've chosen to control them.


https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/1977052974758162927
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You know you just described Hamas' control over the rest of the  Palestinians in Gaza, right?

No, I did not.  Israel, not Hamas, controls:  Movement within and out of Gaza, which international representative is permitted to visit, inspect, photograph Gaza.  Israel also controls: "security" on the strip, employment, water, electricity, health care, construction and food. Israel also thought they controlled Hamas ---- because the idiot Bibi thought that's what the cash transfers to Hamas he approved for years were for.

It's time to punch a hole in the bubble you're in and allow some fresh air to reach you @bigheadfred   I sincerely wish you good luck with that.

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It is totally out of line.

Well, thank you for that @Lando Lincoln    Let the record show I am not responding in kind.   happy77

Thanks again.

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One does not need to be an expert to know this.  One only needs a passing familiarity with Islamic Shari'a.  The only sort of peace agreement permitted between Muslims and non-Muslims is a hudna, usually Englished as "pause", though "ceasefire" would work as well, which is understood as not being binding on Muslims and thus may be abrogated whenever it is deemed in the interest of Islam to do so.

And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Mossad Commentary
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GREAT ANALYSIS OF HOW THE CEASEFIRE SAVED HAMAS FROM DEFEAT
“The Ghost of Gaza: How Hamas Survived” by
@greggroman


FULL REPORT IN COMMENTS

Thesis: The Oct 10 ceasefire “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory,” legitimizing Hamas, trading vast prisoner releases for hostages, and banking on a Phase Two (disarmament/governance) that is structurally unworkable—allowing Hamas to reconstitute and fight again.

Key points

1. Two-phase deal is contradictory:
Phase One needs Hamas as a capable partner; Phase Two demands its disarmament and political marginalization—both cannot be true at once.

2. Leverage squandered:
Israel halted its most decisive Gaza City offensive at peak advantage after U.S. pressure, shifting from “finish the job” to a ceasefire that preserves Hamas’s core structure.

3. Disarmament is paper-thin:
Hamas never agreed to disarm; enforcement is undefined and practically infeasible (hidden weapons, decentralized cells, unmapped tunnels).

4. Governance vacuum risk: Replacing Hamas institutions with a “technocratic” committee and an international board is unrealistic; PA is weak, UNRWA’s removal creates service gaps Hamas or gangs can refill.

5. Military reality mixed:
Hamas is degraded (territory/control reduced, leaders killed) but resilient (replacement recruits, intact know-how, residual rockets, surviving commander al-Haddad).

6. Psychological defeat absent: Hamas frames survival plus massive prisoner release as strategic victory; martyrdom narrative and Doha leadership persist.

7. Regional backing is conditional: Arab states support the plan to manage their interests, not to ensure Hamas’s defeat; help evaporates if violence resumes.

8. International pressure ≠ strategy: U.S./EU support sustains a ceasefire but cannot coerce Hamas to disarm; monitoring won’t stop rearmament or tunnel revival.

9. Hostage swap = moral hazard: Largest release ever (life-sentence terrorists + detainees) incentivizes future hostage-taking and returns experienced operatives to the field.

10. Phase Two outlook:
Likely prolonged drift—partial, cosmetic steps while core issues (disarmament, withdrawal, governance, statehood) stay unresolved, setting conditions for renewed conflict.

Bottom line: The ceasefire yields short-term humanitarian wins (hostages home, aid flow) but preserves the problem. Without decisive defeat and enforceable structures, Hamas survives, rebuilds, and the war resumes on worse terms.



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No, I did not.  Israel, not Hamas, controls:  Movement within and out of Gaza

The video in the preceding post proves the lack of veracity in your statement.
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The video in the preceding post proves the lack of veracity in your statement.

From a Mossad Commentary.. the bag boys transporting the cash from Qatar to Hamas? Mossad....the ones who agreed Hamas wasn't capable of attacking Israel.  That video??   :laugh:

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Of course Hamas will strike Israel again and they had no intention of returning hostages.

Imho, they have made fools of the U.S and Israel. 

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From a Mossad Commentary.. the bag boys transporting the cash from Qatar to Hamas? Mossad....the ones who agreed Hamas wasn't capable of attacking Israel.  That video??

Sure, if that's the story you need to justify Hamas' dehumanizing treatment the people in Gaza.
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Imho, they have made fools of the U.S and Israel.

Hamas has made fools of the US.   It's the US and the rest of the Arab world that has made fools of Israel.
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Title and presumption:
"Trump peace plan for Gaza could be just a 'pause' before Hamas strikes again, experts warn..."

It's called a "hudna".

And Mr. Trump is gonna get burned on this one.

Still, he fancies himself as the ultimate "dealmaker".

But... no deals can be made with those who are sworn to kill you.

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No, I did not.  Israel, not Hamas, controls:  Movement within and out of Gaza, which international representative is permitted to visit, inspect, photograph Gaza.  Israel also controls: "security" on the strip, employment, water, electricity, health care, construction and food. Israel also thought they controlled Hamas ---- because the idiot Bibi thought that's what the cash transfers to Hamas he approved for years were for.

It's time to punch a hole in the bubble you're in and allow some fresh air to reach you @bigheadfred   I sincerely wish you good luck with that.

I spent a year of my life living in Egypt where my dad worked for two years and talked often to the people. Then he worked in the Bekaa Valley for some months right in the heart of Hezbollah. I talked to him at length about his experiences with them. I know how Moslems think. Now tell me about your bubble.
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I spent a year of my life living in Egypt where my dad worked for two years and talked often to the people. Then he worked in the Bekaa Valley for some months right in the heart of Hezbollah. I talked to him at length about his experiences with them. I know how Moslems think. Now tell me about your bubble.

Sounds like you've had some wonderful experiences with and through your dad when you were younger @bigheadfred ---- but the bubble I'm referring to is a long-running and current information.bubble which in the US limits information from and concerning the Middle East.  This is the bubble in need of some oxygen.

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the bubble I'm referring to is a long-running and current information.bubble which in the US limits information from and concerning the Middle East.

You mean the bubble you just made up.  No one is limiting information coming from the Middle East.  We can all see what Hamas is doing and what they have been doing for the past 30 years.  And because there are no limits, we are able to discern each time outrageous lies are posted here.
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Let's take Hamas for example.  We see when they launch unprovoked attacks.  We see when they violate cease fires.  We see them amass weaponry in Gaza hospitals and schools and use these as military bases.  We see them steal aid earmarked for Gaza and use that aid to kill Jews.  We see them smuggle arms into Gaza and use those arms against their own people.  We see the oppression that the people of Gaza live under.  We see 75 years of muslim oppression at the hands of factions from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and now Iran.  We see all the aid and equipment sent their way diverted towards building tunnels and other infrastructure for the sole purpose of killing Jews.  We saw Israel withdraw from Gaza multiple times only to be attacked again and again.

And it is because of this that we easily recognize lies posted here about how they are victims of Jewish oppression even when there are no Jews there oppressing them.
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This part is true:

The rest, a misfeasance of politesse.  Bad boy, @Kamaji

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Sounds like you've had some wonderful experiences with and through your dad when you were younger @bigheadfred ---- but the bubble I'm referring to is a long-running and current information.bubble which in the US limits information from and concerning the Middle East.  This is the bubble in need of some oxygen.

For crying out loud!! See:   The First Rule of Holes...
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For crying out loud!! See:   The First Rule of Holes...

I'm neither digging nor in a hole @bigheadfred   I credit your experiences with and through your father's personal experiences, just as I credit mine through all my time spent in Israel.  All valuable. 

But neither experiences change the fact that in the US the readily available and repeated ad nauseam information from the Middle East has been so one-sided it borders on propaganda. A robust exchange of ideas and information should not be shut down --- doing so never leads to anyplace good.

If we are to agree to disagree on this, so be it.  I'll still hope you enjoy the rest of your evening. ---- I'm thinking it's time for cheesecake   happy77

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Speaking of propaganda . . .
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