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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #700 on: October 28, 2025, 09:18:50 pm »
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu orders 'immediate and powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip'
Hamas violated the ceasefire by shooting at IDF soldiers in Rafah Tuesday, an Israeli military official tells Fox News

Reason 1:   Trump's preoccupied in Asia
Reason 2:   Trump's control is hurting Netanyahu's reelection (see article below)
Reason 3:   Trump's preoccupied in Asia

Uh, no.  The reason was given in the quote cited.

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Hamas violated the ceasefire by shooting at IDF soldiers in Rafah Tuesday

The dishonesty here is mind-blowing.  It has nothing to do with Trump.  It has everything to do with Hamas rejecting peace.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #701 on: October 28, 2025, 09:23:25 pm »
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🚨 PALLYWOOD EXPOSED: Hamas STAGED THE DISCOVERY of what it claimed was a hostage’s body, eyewitness IDF reservists say.

Reservists stationed in eastern Gaza City report that:
■  Hamas terrorists dug a hole, then brought a body from a nearby building and placed it inside.
■  They then covered it with dirt and called the Red Cross to “witness” the supposed discovery.
■  The entire act was caught on IDF drone footage.

Later that night, Hamas handed the body to the Red Cross, who transferred it to the IDF for examination at Abu Kabir forensic institute.

As of this morning, the body remains unidentified.

Source: SELENA - News and updates
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #702 on: October 28, 2025, 09:24:36 pm »
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #703 on: October 28, 2025, 09:33:25 pm »
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Gaza Fatality Analysis: Latest Findings from Hamas & IDF Data

Introduction


As of September 25, 2025, Hamas claims that 65,400 people have been killed in Gaza by the war since 10/7. Over time, it has released eleven separate lists of names, most recently on August 4. These lists have been “cleaned up” by removing obvious early errors such as missing and false IDs, yet the core problems remain: no identification of combatants, no cause, place, or date of death for anyone (though Hamas appears to maintain this data), and no effort to separate natural deaths, deaths caused by IDF action, and fatalities caused by Hamas.

This latest analysis builds on two years of close monitoring of fatality data, beginning with my debunking in December 2023 of the false claim that “70% of those killed in Gaza are women and children,” which is now widely recognized as a Hamas falsification. I have analyzed every major study and investigative report on Gaza fatalities, reviewed each of the Hamas-published lists in detail, and scrutinized and debunked preposterous claims of inflated casualty numbers. I have cross-checked these figures with IDF statements, demographic data, and media investigations. The goal is to strip away the noise and arrive at a more grounded estimate. The chart below summarizes the results of this latest analysis.

Unpacking Hamas' Headline Number

Hamas’ headline figure of 65,400 deaths is presented as if all were war fatalities caused by the IDF. In reality, the number certainly includes thousands of natural deaths and cases of infant mortality. Pre-10/7 data from the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics show that Gaza records about 6,000 natural deaths and 800 infant deaths annually. For the first eighteen months of the war Hamas insisted that every name on its lists represented a war casualty, but in April 2025 it quietly admitted otherwise. After removing a set of names from its rolls, Zaher al-Wahidi of Hamas' Ministry of Health conceded to Sky News that “a lot of people… died a natural death”—an extraordinary admission after months of categorical denials.

While some natural deaths appear to have been dropped a few months ago, Hamas has never produced a separate record of natural deaths, even after nearly two years. If such a list existed, Hamas would have every incentive to release it, since it would show that total fatalities were even higher than the 65,400 they already claim and bolster their claim that all deaths listed are war related. The obvious explanation for its long absence is simple: no such list exists, because these deaths were never separated out in the first place going back to October 2023.

There is also clear evidence that non-war deaths are part of the count. Documented cases include victims of vehicle accidents, a wall collapse, and illnesses. Examples of these deaths placed on the Hamas lists have been confirmed through painstaking social-media analysis. The conclusion is unmistakable: Hamas has inflated its fatality list by sweeping in virtually every death in Gaza and assigning it to Israel.  .  .  .

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #704 on: October 28, 2025, 09:34:52 pm »
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An example of the challenge of assessing the Gaza death toll: Khaled Nasser Suleiman Abu Nasser, identified by his family as having been killed while participating in the October 7 attack ("battle of glory and dignity") day-of, first appears only in the July 30, 2025 MOH list.



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https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/1973414911729373471
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #705 on: October 28, 2025, 09:49:28 pm »
Netanyahu says Hamas violated ceasefire by returning remains of hostage already retrieved

Mataeo Smith  •  13h




Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the body parts of a hostage delivered by Hamas Tuesday matched the remains of a hostage IDF troops recovered in Gaza two years ago.

The Israeli military recovered the bodies of some 51 hostages during the two years of the Israel-Hamas war in the coastal territory. Netanyahu called the return of body parts a "clear violation" of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire agreement by Hamas.

There are still 13 bodies of hostages in Gaza, and the slow recovery of those remains is posing a challenge to implementing the next stages of the ceasefire.

Hamas has said it is struggling to locate the bodies amid the vast destruction in Gaza, while Israel has accused the militant group of purposely delaying their return.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-says-hamas-violated-ceasefire-by-returning-remains-of-hostage-already-retrieved/ar-AA1Pljkl
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #706 on: October 28, 2025, 11:27:08 pm »
I hope this is true...and am inclined to believe it is. And the US may need to temper it's response. After all, we aren't the ones under the gun.
I would hope that if we were in a similar situation the government would respond in the same manner.

I'm not sure about this @berdie   My quick take on this: 

* The battle with the Palestinians may have begun as an existential threat for Israel, but after 58 years, that's no longer the case,
* The dynamics in the ME are dramatically different now --- Trump is redefining the goals of peace, stability and prosperity so Israel's and the Greater Middle East's dovetail ---- possibly a once in a lifetime opportunity for Israel.
*  Only two stand to lose in this peace proposal:  One is the Hamas leadership --- and theirs is truly a choice between life and death, and I'm pretty confident the Arabs will remind them of this, without mercy. So, they should come along nicely, albeit a little slowly.
*. The other who stands to lose in this peace proposal is Benjamin Netanyahu --- and his is a choice between political power and retirement in the hinterlands.  I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's going to fight with everything he's got because peace means he stands before the Israeli people and a judicial tribunal and explains how Oct 7 happened --- making peace strong political kryptonite for Mr. Security.

Actual peace, stability and prosperity, with regional support, is not only possible, it's likely.

If Netanyahu wants to break with the Trump administration, he is certainly free to do so.  But, I can't pretend it's the best choice for Israel.




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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #707 on: October 29, 2025, 04:53:23 pm »
I'm not sure about this @berdie   My quick take on this: 

* The battle with the Palestinians may have begun as an existential threat for Israel, but after 58 years, that's no longer the case,
* The dynamics in the ME are dramatically different now --- Trump is redefining the goals of peace, stability and prosperity so Israel's and the Greater Middle East's dovetail ---- possibly a once in a lifetime opportunity for Israel.
*  Only two stand to lose in this peace proposal:  One is the Hamas leadership --- and theirs is truly a choice between life and death, and I'm pretty confident the Arabs will remind them of this, without mercy. So, they should come along nicely, albeit a little slowly.
*. The other who stands to lose in this peace proposal is Benjamin Netanyahu --- and his is a choice between political power and retirement in the hinterlands.  I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's going to fight with everything he's got because peace means he stands before the Israeli people and a judicial tribunal and explains how Oct 7 happened --- making peace strong political kryptonite for Mr. Security.

Actual peace, stability and prosperity, with regional support, is not only possible, it's likely.

If Netanyahu wants to break with the Trump administration, he is certainly free to do so.  But, I can't pretend it's the best choice for Israel.



Well, @Right_in_Virginia , I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

The battle with the Palestinians may not be a threat to Isreal any longer. But unfortunately, Hamas seems to be in charge of the area. They most definitely are a threat. I'm sure you remember 10/7. I don't think they have any intention of giving up control. 

The complexion of the area may be changing. The Arab countries seem to be involved. But the relations between these countries and Israel isn't the problem. The problem, in my mind, is the terrorist organizations that operate and are harbored within these countries . I understand that Iran is the primary problem. Although somewhat hamstringed, they are no way down and out. I don't know how you go about peace with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis in existence.

Consequently, Bibi really can't lay down his arms. It's a matter of security. Political security for him? Perhaps. But I don't think so. He loves his country. As far as standing before a judicial tribunal and the Jewish people goes, I would find that to be a travesty. There is only so much a country's leader can do to protect it. People have a tendency to have to play "the blame game". I have read that FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor and, of course, GWB was responsible for 9/11. I regard these things as bohonkus. Face it...we live (and always have) in a very dangerous world. Much like in personal life, you can do as many preventative measures as you can but if the bad guys really want to rob or murder you, if they are truly determined...

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #708 on: October 30, 2025, 03:24:19 pm »


Well, @Right_in_Virginia , I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

The battle with the Palestinians may not be a threat to Isreal any longer. But unfortunately, Hamas seems to be in charge of the area. They most definitely are a threat. I'm sure you remember 10/7. I don't think they have any intention of giving up control. 

@berdie

The peace plan calls for Hamas to be off the Strip and replaced for an interim period by the ISF, as outlined in the peace agreement.  (I, too, wish they'd move this along ....). After that, elections will be called with reformed Palestinian Authority members likely forming a new government.

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The complexion of the area may be changing. The Arab countries seem to be involved. But the relations between these countries and Israel isn't the problem. The problem, in my mind, is the terrorist organizations that operate and are harbored within these countries . I understand that Iran is the primary problem. Although somewhat hamstringed, they are no way down and out.

I don't know how you go about peace with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis in existence.

Hopefully, we're going to find out ....   :crossed:   happy77.   

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Consequently, Bibi really can't lay down his arms. It's a matter of security.

The peace agreement doesn't call for Israel to disarm.  Israel will keep all their weapons, including their nuclear arsenal.

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Political security for him (Bibi)? Perhaps. But I don't think so. He loves his country.

These are not mutually exclusive.

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As far as standing before a judicial tribunal and the Jewish people goes, I would find that to be a travesty. There is only so much a country's leader can do to protect it. People have a tendency to have to play "the blame game". I have read that FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor and, of course, GWB was responsible for 9/11. I regard these things as bohonkus. Face it...we live (and always have) in a very dangerous world. Much like in personal life, you can do as many preventative measures as you can but if the bad guys really want to rob or murder you, if they are truly determined...

FWIW, members of the IDF and Shin Bet resigned shortly after the Oct 7 attack, with apologies.  At the time, Netanyahu said he would answer questions when the fighting stopped.

Netanyahu needs to explain the tunnels, the money transfers, ignoring the IDF and Shin Bet warnings ---- and just how he lost control of Israel's security.

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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #709 on: October 30, 2025, 03:45:07 pm »
It only takes one person with the support of a nation state, wealthy sponsor, or well-financed terrorist organization to be a security threat to Israel ... especially as Iran gets closer to having nukes.

Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack was Iran's attempt to sabotage the Abraham Accords.
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Re: Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]
« Reply #710 on: October 31, 2025, 04:56:45 am »
It only takes one person with the support of a nation state, wealthy sponsor, or well-financed terrorist organization to be a security threat to Israel ... especially as Iran gets closer to having nukes.

Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack was Iran's attempt to sabotage the Abraham Accords.

And it was funded in large part thanks to the Biden administration.
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