Whoever floated the ‘trans gun ban’ doesn’t belong anywhere NEAR the Justice Department By Post Edi

[mystery-ak]

Whoever floated the 'trans gun ban' doesn't belong anywhere NEAR the Justice Department
Post Editorial Board

Was floating a ban on trans people owning guns just some basement-level idiot’s idea for “owning the libs”?

In the wake of Robin Westman’s deadly Minneapolis rampage, some troll in the bowels of the Trump Justice Department reportedly proposed blocking trans people from buying firearms by declaring them all “mentally ill.”

This, of course, is absurd as a simple matter of law: No rule that strips a (dubiously-defined) group of their Second Amendment rights has any chance of holding up in court.

And if it did somehow survive, that’s an open invitation for future progs to create their own “mentally ill by definition” categories — deployable to limit lots of other rights.

Something even the lowliest staffer at Justice should be capable of realizing.

The giggles, we’d guess, are supposed to come from making lefties choose between sacred cows — gun control or trans rights.

Or maybe, hah hah hah, embarrass progressives by making them side with the NRA.

We hope it turns out to just be gossip among summer interns on their way back to college.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/05/opinion/the-dojs-trans-gun-ban-is-a-terrible-idea-but-its-exposing-the-hypocrisy-of-the-dems/

[Kamaji]

Denying people with provable mental illness the ability to own firearms is most likely not a violation of the Second Amendment, and anyone who calls themselves "trans" is, by definition, mentally ill, so denying a firearm to anyone who claims to be "trans" should not violate the Second Amendment.

[Sighlass]

They are mentally ill, and/or morally corrupt (sexual deviants). The parents that push this on their kids are the same.

Edit: Seems Kamaji beat me to the punch by a few seconds.

[mountaineer]

I don't disagree that so-called "trans" people are loony. That doesn't mean all are dangerous, though.

The problem is that a Democrat administration could (and would) just as easily decree "mentally ill" all conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, Presbyterians or any other group currently out of favor.

[Kamaji]

I don't disagree that so-called "trans" people are loony. That doesn't mean all are dangerous, though.

The problem is that a Democrat administration could (and would) just as easily decree "mentally ill" all conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, Presbyterians or any other group currently out of favor.

There is sufficient evidence that ties "trans" self-identification and mental illness that includes a greater propensity to violence to justify under rational basis review a restriction of all "trans" from owning firearms.

That is qualitatively different from the bogey-man of politicizing pyschiatry by declaring a political viewpoint to be a mental illness - ala the Soviet Union - because there is an objective basis for concluding that a "trans" is mentally ill whereas there is no objective basis for concluding that someone who holds a political view is mentally ill.

[mountaineer]

there is no objective basis for concluding that someone who holds a political view is mentally ill.

Agreed, but I'm not confident that would stop the Democrats from doing so. Church membership could provide that "objective basis," in their bigoted minds.

[Kamaji]

Agreed, but I'm not confident that would stop the Democrats from doing so. Church membership could provide that "objective basis," in their bigoted minds.

They might, but the Supreme Court should have very little trouble overturning such a law as being too overbroad and as violating both the First and the Second Amendments without a rational basis.

[mountaineer]

Is a propensity to violence enough, though? Do we prohibit all black folks from buying guns because, statistically, that group commits most of the violent crimes? That would be a shame, especially for that black men in our gun club.

It's one thing to prohibit a felon or a domestic abuser from gun ownership, but - dare I say it - this could be a slippery slope.

Just playing devil's advocate a bit here. I really don't know a good way to prevent trans violence, short of rounding them up and putting them in mental hospitals.

[Free Vulcan]

I guess what I find amusing is now suddenly Rats don't like the idea of red flag laws denying their nutball trans constituents a gun.

When it was Catholics and such well now full speed ahead!

[Kamaji]

Is a propensity to violence enough, though? Do we prohibit all black folks from buying guns because, statistically, that group commits most of the violent crimes? That would be a shame, especially for that black men in our gun club.

It's one thing to prohibit a felon or a domestic abuser from gun ownership, but - dare I say it - this could be a slippery slope.

Just playing devil's advocate a bit here. I really don't know a good way to prevent trans violence, short of rounding them up and putting them in mental hospitals.

Someone who is mentally ill is a sufficiently higher risk of committing violence to warrant the treatment.  The propensity to violence is not merely a correlative relationship, but a causal relationship - mental illness is a causal element in the increased risk of violence from the mentally ill; the mere fact that blacks are overrepresented in terms of arrests for violent conduct does not give rise to the same causal relationship.

It's the causality that matters, not the mere correlation.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't disagree that so-called "trans" people are loony. That doesn't mean all are dangerous, though.

The problem is that a Democrat administration could (and would) just as easily decree "mentally ill" all conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, Presbyterians or any other group currently out of favor.

I would wager that a large percentage of them are on mood altering drugs, either illegal, or prescribed; SSRIs, MAOIs or the like. Known side effects of the prescribed ones include suicidal or homicidal ideation, and quitting them cold turkey can produce those effects as well.
Combine that with the constant shrill narrative that 'trans' people are being "genocided"* and take any paranoia present up a few notches.
Surely those infused with that narrative will think the world is out to 'get them', and only be a small jostle away from attacking in 'self-defense'.
*even though they cannot reprooduce...