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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #250 on: August 17, 2025, 02:38:52 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 17, 2025, 02:31:19 pm
Yes.  This is the nature of negotiations.  Too bad people will have to pay with their lives while all this posturing is going on

This could all stop today if Russia would end its unprovoked conquest of Ukraine and withdraw its troops.


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mostly civilian non-combatants.   :crying:

On the Ukrainian side, yes.  On the Russian side, not so much.  Ukraine purposely does not target Russian civilians.  Russia on the other hand makes sport of killing Ukrainian civilians.  Of course that's all part of the posturing - ridding the world of Ukrainian nazis, drug addicts, and criminals.

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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #251 on: August 17, 2025, 02:38:56 pm »
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If Putin could do such a thing he would have done it three years ago.

The truth of it is that Putin was not ready for someone to stand up to him and his impotent third rate army. He thought Russia could win the war by reputation alone.

He was wrong.

I still give the chance of Vlad hanging from a light pole at 25% in the next two years.   Not even the USSR like Politburo has infinite patience in Putin's folly.

Simply stated...sometimes these things work themselves out on their own,

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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #252 on: August 17, 2025, 02:39:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 17, 2025, 02:33:06 pm
Still waiting for proof of that "grifter" claim.  Been waiting over 3½ years now.  But I'm a patient man.

You would think that as many times as that slander has been posted here, someone would take the time to dig up some proof.  But no.

@Timber Rattler made a pretty good case the other day that the grifting was on this side of the pond....
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #253 on: August 17, 2025, 02:44:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 17, 2025, 02:38:52 pm
This could all stop today if Russia would end its unprovoked conquest of Ukraine and withdraw its troops.


On the Ukrainian side, yes.  On the Russian side, not so much.  Ukraine purposely does not target Russian civilians.  Russia on the other hand makes sport of killing Ukrainian civilians.  Of course that's all part of the posturing - ridding the world of Ukrainian nazis, drug addicts, and criminals.

(Cyber nodding.)
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #254 on: August 17, 2025, 02:45:57 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 17, 2025, 02:39:08 pm
@Timber Rattler made a pretty good case the other day that the grifting was on this side of the pond....

Grifting?  Naw!!!!.......    :silly:

(source-Telegraph)



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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #255 on: August 17, 2025, 02:46:00 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 17, 2025, 02:35:56 pm
My thoughts too.  And what I have been proposing since Day 1.

However, that process....  1st getting oil down to $40/bbl from $70, and waiting out the price drop, will easily have to take at least a year. 

Considering the political landscape ('26 midterms).....   Do we really have a year to rely on that plan.

Seeing how it's been seven months already, I really don't think that is a viable excuse not to take action.  That's seven months of oil revenues that Russia has collected to fund their war.  That's seven months of interest on $300 billion in frozen assets that Russia has been paid and spent on its military.  And that's seven months of US technology that continues to flow to Russia to manufacture drone and missile guidance systems.
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #256 on: August 17, 2025, 02:47:51 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 17, 2025, 02:45:57 pm
Grifting?  Naw!!!!.......    :silly:

(source-Telegraph)

So instead of providing evidence, you post a picture instead?  Typical.

Still waiting to see that grift.  Let's see those US mansions, yachts, Lamborghinis, etc.
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #257 on: August 17, 2025, 02:51:07 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 17, 2025, 02:46:00 pm
Seeing how it's been seven months already, I really don't think that is a viable excuse not to take action.  That's seven months of oil revenues that Russia has collected to fund their war.  That's seven months of interest on $300 billion in frozen assets that Russia has been paid and spent on its military.  And that's seven months of US technology that continues to flow to Russia to manufacture drone and missile guidance systems.

Agreed...  I think Trump has the right idea of working these tariff, semi-embargo issues in a manner to punish Russia.

And....    why I think Trump is rightfully giving Putin one more chance to fix this.  Because the oil price strangulation is not only going to hurt Putin, but it is also going to hurt every Russian citizen, likely spiraling them into a Ruble infused meltdown into hyper inflation.  Since these things sometimes domino....   No one wins in this scenario.
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #258 on: August 17, 2025, 02:53:14 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 17, 2025, 02:47:51 pm
So instead of providing evidence, you post a picture instead?  Typical.

Still waiting to see that grift.  Let's see those US mansions, yachts, Lamborghinis, etc.

You can tell a lot about a person and their motives by who they keep close as friends.  Of course, you might be an ally of Pelosi and Kamela based on that retort.  (wink)
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #259 on: August 17, 2025, 02:56:34 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 17, 2025, 02:51:07 pm
Because the oil price strangulation is not only going to hurt Putin, but it is also going to hurt every Russian citizen, likely spiraling them into a Ruble infused meltdown into hyper inflation. 

Life is full of tradeoffs.  Putin will be forced to choose between fueling Russian cars and homes, or fueling his military conquests.  As for hyperinflation, Russia is already headed that way, again by choice.  Their war in Ukraine is costing them 40% of their current annual non-war government spending every single month.  Again, Putin's choice.  He can either side with what's best for the Russian people, or what's best for his oligarch buddies eying Ukraine's resources.  What would a sociopath do here?
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #260 on: August 17, 2025, 02:57:37 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 17, 2025, 02:53:14 pm
You can tell a lot about a person and their motives by who they keep close as friends.  Of course, you might be an ally of Pelosi and Kamela based on that retort.  (wink)

You can tell a lot about a person who is unable to back up a claim for three years straight, yet continues to make the claim.
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #261 on: August 17, 2025, 03:03:16 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 17, 2025, 02:57:37 pm
You can tell a lot about a person who is unable to back up a claim for three years straight, yet continues to make the claim.

He's a buddy of Biden.....  Plenty of ways to learn mimic the big Guy's tactics while pilfering the coffers.

It will all eventually come out in the wash.  Bank on it.
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« Reply #262 on: August 17, 2025, 03:20:00 pm »
Trump's empty rhetoric was that he would end this war in 24 hours.  Did that clock start yet, because we are in fact 7 months into his presidency.

Trump needs new advisors, or he needs to get off the pot and deal with Putin as he should have from day one.  The 'we are friends' rhetoric makes him sound like a clown.

Time to implement every severe policy, sanction, etc to bring Russia's economy to its knees like yesterday.  And provide Ukraine with whatever weaponry to take out key assets in the Moscow metro that produce steam for heat, and all food distribution facilities.  Also major roads, and their transit system.  Destroy them so that almost nothing enters Moscow.  Come winter, the people in Moscow freeze and starve.  Make that happen, and Putin is deposed.  And doing anything less than this is pure weakness on Trump's part.

If Trump continues to placcate Putin, it will be disastrous for the Republicans in November, 2026.

Give Ukraine a couple hundred tomahawk cruise missiles to launch on Russia at one time, on November 1 when it begins to get cold in Russia, and take out steam generations plants, and all major food distribution facilities, all major roads, airports, and the transit system.  A huge number depend on the transit system.  Moscow is the key to get the people disgusted enough to take out Putin.

They are local to the center for government.  If you recall, the leader of the Wagner Group, when he was marching on Moscow, he was a good 100+ miles away when his men were stopped.  It takes motivating the people there in Moscow to finally deal with the evil Satan known as Putin.

If they are freezing and starving to death, they will have the necessary motivation.
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #263 on: August 17, 2025, 03:27:50 pm »
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Trump's empty rhetoric was that he would end this war in 24 hours.  Did that clock start yet, because we are in fact 7 months into his presidency.

Trump needs new advisors, or he needs to get off the pot and deal with Putin as he should have from day one.  The 'we are friends' rhetoric makes him sound like a clown.

Time to implement every severe policy, sanction, etc to bring Russia's economy to its knees like yesterday.  And provide Ukraine with whatever weaponry to take out key assets in the Moscow metro that produce steam for heat, and all food distribution facilities.  Also major roads, and their transit system.  Destroy them so that almost nothing enters Moscow.  Come winter, the people in Moscow freeze and starve.  Make that happen, and Putin is deposed.  And doing anything less than this is pure weakness on Trump's part.

If Trump continues to placcate Putin, it will be disastrous for the Republicans in November, 2026.

Give Ukraine a couple hundred tomahawk cruise missiles to launch on Russia at one time, on November 1 when it begins to get cold in Russia, and take out steam generations plants, and all major food distribution facilities, all major roads, airports, and the transit system.  A huge number depend on the transit system.  Moscow is the key to get the people disgusted enough to take out Putin.

They are local to the center for government.  If you recall, the leader of the Wagner Group, when he was marching on Moscow, he was a good 100+ miles away when his men were stopped.  It takes motivating the people there in Moscow to finally deal with the evil Satan known as Putin.

If they are freezing and starving to death, they will have the necessary motivation.

I think Trump's got a decent team on this  Rubio, Witkoff, Bessen.,... 

Where we diverge, is I think more of the problem in some of these empty promises is as great as a business man and negotiator that DJT is,, there is still a level of naievity in Trump's tool kit around working the nasty geo-political side of the equation, and that flaw includes his strange trait of being enamored with people who pay him compliments.  It is a strange twerk of his personality, and doesn't serve him well on the world's stage.
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« Reply #264 on: August 17, 2025, 03:51:04 pm »
At 78 years of age, with his life experience, he should be a damn bit smarter about tyrants.  Putin is pure evil, the modern day Adolph Hitler for real.  And he wants to talk to him like he is his cart mate for the last 30 years of playing golf.  Pure bullsh*t!!!

His weakness for feigning over such an evil man will undo everything he has attempted to accomplish with this 2nd term, mark my words.  It simply takes one aw-sh*t!

The Democrimelovingcommies are chomping at the bit for a return to power, and the UGLY TRUTH is that they do not need to get organized or appear something other than their completely discombobulated selves.  They merely need to win 4 seats in the House and 1-2 in the Senate.  They can retake power using the 3 RINO idiots in the Republican Party:  Collins Mukowski and the nameless idiot that took Mitt's place from Utah.
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« Reply #265 on: August 17, 2025, 04:32:27 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 17, 2025, 03:03:16 pm
He's a buddy of Biden.....  Plenty of ways to learn mimic the big Guy's tactics while pilfering the coffers.

It will all eventually come out in the wash.  Bank on it.

And if it never does - if you never find a scintilla of proof to back up your baseless "grifter" claims - instead of exhibiting the integrity to admit that your claims were baseless,  you'll still be posting this:

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Love and rooting for the Uke army.  But....Zelinsky is a POS, and his corrupt self can go F himself
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Re: Trump-Putin Alaska Summit
« Reply #266 on: August 17, 2025, 04:39:52 pm »
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And if it never does - if you never find a scintilla of proof to back up your baseless "grifter" claims - instead of exhibiting the integrity to admit that your claims were baseless,  you'll still be posting this:

Keep aligning with Pelosi and Harris...  It serves your POV well.   :thud:
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« Reply #267 on: August 17, 2025, 05:01:33 pm »
What is missed in all the talk on the lead up before and after the Trump Putin meeting are a few questions. The fact that no one in the press is talking about them is worrisome.

What are the proposals Trump and Putin agreed?
Why should Ukraine accept them?

Because if it involves giving up Ukraine's remaining territory in Donetsk, there is no way that will happen. Missed in all the talk about Ukraine giving up any remaining territory is why Ukraine is holding onto what Putin really wants. What Ukraine holds in Donetsk is what is keeping Russia from taking over the whole of eastern Ukraine. Gen. Keane on FOX has been bringing his up a lot over the last week. There is no way Ukraine will accept any terms, where once the US gets bored, Russia has a starting point for another blitz assault.
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« Reply #268 on: August 17, 2025, 05:02:47 pm »
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« Reply #269 on: August 17, 2025, 05:06:35 pm »
Quote from: Widget Jr on August 17, 2025, 05:01:33 pm
What is missed in all the talk on the lead up before and after the Trump Putin meeting are a few questions. The fact that no one in the press is talking about them is worrisome.

What are the proposals Trump and Putin agreed?
Why should Ukraine accept them?

Because if it involves giving up Ukraine's remaining territory in Donetsk, there is no way that will happen. Missed in all the talk about Ukraine giving up any remaining territory is why Ukraine is holding onto what Putin really wants. What Ukraine holds in Donetsk is what is keeping Russia from taking over the whole of eastern Ukraine. Gen. Keane on FOX has been bringing his up a lot over the last week. There is no way Ukraine will accept any terms, where once the US gets bored, Russia has a starting point for another blitz assault.

I think russia needs to rebuild their tank stock at this point. They're going back to pre-T-55 stuff now , from what i've heard/seen. They must be desperate. Once they are a rebuilt they will try again for Ukraine and history will remember Trump as an appeaser/fool.
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« Reply #270 on: August 17, 2025, 06:09:15 pm »
This summit went as well as anyone should expect because you had a former KBG intelligence officer against an aging president who lives in his own delusional world were inflation is conquered, the economy is booming, and who believes his approval rating is in the 70's :rolling:

What did people think was going to be the outcome? There's no (insert number here) dimensional chess going on.
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« Reply #271 on: August 17, 2025, 06:11:18 pm »
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« Reply #272 on: August 17, 2025, 09:48:46 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 17, 2025, 05:06:35 pm
I think russia needs to rebuild their tank stock at this point. They're going back to pre-T-55 stuff now , from what i've heard/seen. They must be desperate. Once they are a rebuilt they will try again for Ukraine and history will remember Trump as an appeaser/fool.

They bought some 30 T-34 tanks from Laos or Cambodia a year or so ago. I'm sure they'll do great in combat against Brads with 25mm Bushmasters.  :rolling:
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« Reply #273 on: August 23, 2025, 02:22:09 pm »
Just imagine what the peace negotiations would have been like if the Harris-Walz ticket had won ...


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« Reply #274 on: August 23, 2025, 02:30:02 pm »
Meanwhile, I'm seeing reports that Russia has stepped up their bombing of Ukrainian civilians.  It's hopeless, both sides can't agree to a peace like this!
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« Reply #275 on: August 23, 2025, 02:34:40 pm »
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Meanwhile, I'm seeing reports that Russia has stepped up their bombing of Ukrainian civilians.  It's hopeless, both sides can't agree to a peace like this!

Two sides can never agree to peace when one of those two sides doesn't want peace.
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« Reply #276 on: August 23, 2025, 02:44:45 pm »
Piece or more of Ukraine is the goal, not peace.
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« Reply #277 on: August 23, 2025, 03:10:37 pm »
Yes such a travesty that Ukraine doesn't lie down like a dog and die while Russia takes it's territory...
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« Reply #278 on: August 23, 2025, 03:14:04 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 23, 2025, 03:10:37 pm
Yes such a travesty that Ukraine doesn't lie down like a dog and die while Russia takes it's territory...

Well, that's unlikely to happen.
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