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Still confused.  :shrug:

Are you saying here ⬇️ there's no moral equivalency between the oppressor and the oppressed?  Or are you making a different point?



If the Palistinians are oppressed...perhaps we should blame Hamas...not Israel.

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That was my point precisely.  It is wrong to draw a moral equivalency between Israel and the group of savages that committed the atrocity of October 7th, and holds innocent hostages to this day. 

I agree with this ⬆️ @Cyber Liberty  The Hamas attack on Oct 7, 2023 broke with humanity.

I also think the atrocities of Oct 7 are rooted in a long history of oppression that few appear willing to discuss, especially when considering an end to this 58 year sh!tshow.    I think this is where our opinions diverge.





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The Aljazeera reporter worked as the head of a Hamas rocket platoon and previously met with Hamas’ former Gaza Strip leader Yahya Sinwar. Al-Sharif also praised the October 7th attack as it was ongoing, branding the terrorists carrying out the massacre “heroes.”


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If the Palistinians are oppressed...perhaps we should blame Hamas...not Israel.

It would still come back to Israel, specifically to Netanyahu.  @berdie  Israel has worked deligently to keep Hamas in power as a counter weight to the PLO/Fatah organizations in the West Bank. For 10 years Israel has allowed the tunnels to flourish, authorized over one billion dollars in unaudited payments to Hamas through Qatar and in 2023 ignored their own security's assessment of an upcoming attack by Hamas on Israel.

Meet Israel's weakest link: 

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I agree with this ⬆️ @Cyber Liberty  The Hamas attack on Oct 7, 2023 broke with humanity.

I also think the atrocities of Oct 7 are rooted in a long history of oppression that few appear willing to discuss, especially when considering an end to this 58 year sh!tshow.    I think this is where are opinions diverge.

I think that's correct.  That's the point of divergence!  Was Israel oppressing the "Palestinians?"  Debatable. 

In her defense Israel could see as well as I could that Hamas was not peacefully building a society (as we know one), but was channeling aid from the UN, and other sources like Israel and Iran, into building tunnels and offensive weapons of terror.  What Hamas did and is still doing was premeditated.  I have no sympathy for that even if "world opinion" says Israel oppressed the Palestinians.
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It would still come back to Israel, specifically to Netanyahu.  @berdie  Israel has worked deligently to keep Hamas in power as a counter weight to the PLO/Fatah organizations in the West Bank. For 10 years Israel has allowed the tunnels to flourish, authorized over one billion dollars in unaudited payments to Hamas through Qatar and in 2023 ignored their own security's assessment of an upcoming attack by Hamas on Israel.

Meet Israel's weakest link: 


FWIW, everybody said that about Golda Meir, too.
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FWIW, everybody said that about Golda Meir, too.

Meir had the good grace to resign her premiership and from her seat in the Knesset in early 1974 after being surprised by and unprepared for the Yom Kippur War of 1973.  She would die in Dec 1978 without holding either public office or significance again.

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She would die in Dec 1978 without holding either public office or significance again.

You ever consider that her heart disease and lymphoma might have had something to do with her retirement from politics?

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You ever consider that her heart disease and lymphoma might have had something to do with her retirement from politics?

Golda Meir resigned as Prime Minister of Israel due to the public and political fallout from the Yom Kippur War. The surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 caught Israel off guard, and the subsequent handling of the war led to widespread criticism and a loss of confidence in her leadership. While Israel was able to regain the offensive after the Yom Kippur War, the massive casualties of the war were seen as Meir's failure, and she resigned from office in 1974.

The war also exposed deep flaws in Israel's intelligence and military planning. The government's initial attempts to deflect blame and the subsequent inquiry into the war's handling further eroded public trust in Meir's leadership.

As criticism mounted, political pressure on Meir increased. The Agranat Commission of Inquiry, established to investigate the war's failures, implicated some government officials, further weakening Meir's position.

Ultimately, the combination of public anger, political pressure, and the findings of the inquiry led Meir to resign as Prime Minister in 1974.
 
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JERUSALEM, April 10 (1974) —Premier Golda Meir announced her resignation tonight, bringing down her month‐old coalition Government and making new national elections likely in the next several months.

The 75‐year‐old Premier said that she was quitting because deep divisions within her Labor party had made it impossible to continue. The party had reached an impasse in recent days over the issue of assigning political responsibility for Israel's military shortcomings at the beginning of the October war.

The members of the Israeli Labor party who attended the closed session at which Mrs. Meir made her announcement quoted her as saying she felt that she no longer commanded sufficient support within her divided party to continue as Premier.

The current crisis erupted last week when the judicial commission of inquiry into the October war published a report assigning the blame for Israel's unpreparedness to the top military command. Although the report cleared Mr. Dayan of responsibility, his critics called on him to resign.

Such an intraparty struggle was inevitable, given Mrs. Meir's age and the divisions that had developed among the three factions. But it was accelerated by the October war, which generated a strong desire among much of the Israeli public for new leadership and new policies.


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JERUSALEM, Dec. 8 (1978)— Golda Meir, a one‐time teacher in Milwaukee who became Prime Minister of Israel, died this afternoon at the age of 80.

Mrs. Meir had been in Hadassah Hospital since August for treatment of an undisclosed back ailment. Early this week a hospital spokesman said she had also been suffering from liver infection and jaundice.

Hadassah Hospital doctors said later that Mrs. Meir had had leukemia for 12 years, including when she was Prime Minister. The hospital spokesman said that the illness was kept under control until recently, when viral hepatitis developed.

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No.  There is no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel.  Get that through your head.

I don't get how someone that was once so pro Trump she was in favor of booting people like you and me from this very forum...has turned into such a shill for an Iranian backed terrorist group. 


RIV doesn't seem to comprehend that the same people that are trying to kill people that go to church on Saturday...want to eliminate those that go to church on Sunday too.


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The "journalist" was a member of Hamas.  He got what he deserved.
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In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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His DIRECT role in Hamas. Wake up. @Right_in_Virginia

RIV has gone full Candace Owens.
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The "journalist" was a member of Hamas.  He got what he deserved.
Try explaining that to @Right_in_Virginia   @txradioguy
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Try explaining that to @Right_in_Virginia   @txradioguy

I have...as have a lot of people here smarter than me on the subject.  She refuses to accept reality and prefers to stay in her bigoted bubble.
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His DIRECT role in Hamas. Wake up. @Right_in_Virginia

Okay...all I've asked for is the actual proof @verga   Would you forward the link?   Thanks.

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Okay...all I've asked for is the actual proof @verga   Would you forward the link?   Thanks.

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Try explaining that to @Right_in_Virginia   @txradioguy

I actually have been asking you to do this ⬆️ @verga  Explain the circumstances to me. Send me a link with the proof, please.  Thanksl

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Okay...all I've asked for is the actual proof @verga   Would you forward the link?   Thanks.

Hang on @verga ...I got this one.




Took 30 seconds on Google to find.




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It’s wild to me that people hate Jews so much that they will happily support a Muslim terrorist organization that would smile as they cut off their heads.
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RIV has gone full Candace Owens.
Tuckercarlsonesque.
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Hang on @verga ...I got this one.




Took 30 seconds on Google to find.

I just want to be sure I understand... This ⬆️ is the "proof"?  --- Are you aware your "proof" includes a disclaimer that Israel has produced little evidence to support their terrorist claim and the journalist has criticized Hamas??

Maybe you should have taken 35 seconds.

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This ⬆️ could be his ⬇️ best creation yet!






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Okay...all I've asked for is the actual proof @verga   Would you forward the link?   Thanks.
Reply 52 above. @Right_in_Virginia
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He became the face of Gaza?

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I don't get how someone that was once so pro Trump ...has turned into such a shill for an Iranian backed terrorist group. 

But, I am still, most assuredly, America First @txradioguy   I apply that principle universally, including to Israel.  Something stinks in the Netanyahu regime, and has for decades.  Wearing blinders helps no one, including the Israeli people, but most of all the American citizen.  We deserve the truth about Israel's "existential" threats --- we have earned it.

It would still come back to Israel, specifically to Netanyahu.   Israel has worked deligently to keep Hamas in power as a counter weight to the PLO/Fatah organizations in the West Bank. For 10 years Israel has allowed the tunnels to flourish, authorized over one billion dollars in unaudited payments to Hamas through Qatar and in 2023 ignored their own security's assessment of an upcoming attack by Hamas on Israel.

Meet Israel's weakest link: 


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RIV doesn't seem to comprehend that the same people that are trying to kill people that go to church on Saturday...want to eliminate those that go to church on Sunday too.

I learned everything I need to know on the morning I scrambléd out of my çar and watched a 757 slam into the Pentagon.  And again when my husband was the tip of the spear in whatever Islamic hellhole our betters sent him through the next six years.

So do not repeat your mistake presuming to know what I know, what I believe, and for what and whom I fight. I don't like it, you have no right, and you lack the emotional and intellectual capacity to venture a guess. Just.Stop.It.





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Reply 52 above. @Right_in_Virginia

This appears to be IDF PR, not proof.  But, thank you fot the reply @verga

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Anas Al-Sharif and Yahya Sinwar

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Anas Al-Sharif, Yahya Sinwar, and Khalil al-Hayya

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