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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1950 on: November 20, 2025, 09:07:08 am »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1951 on: November 20, 2025, 10:16:21 am »
Am disappointed that we have not be able to get Crude prices down to $40-$50/bbl.  (Abt. $60/bbl today).

Until then, there will be no incentive for Putin to end this thing, 
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1952 on: November 20, 2025, 11:14:53 am »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poland-says-russia-likely-behind-railway-sabotage-attack/

Poland accuses Russia of "an act of state terror" with railway sabotage attack

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Two Ukrainian citizens working for Russia are suspected of blowing up a railway line in Poland over the weekend, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Tuesday. On Wednesday, the row between the NATO member and Russia escalated, with Poland's top diplomat labeling the incident an "act of state terror."   

Speaking to the Sejm, the lower house of the Polish parliament, Tusk said the two suspects had been collaborating with Russia's secret services for a long time. He said their identities were known but could not be revealed to the public because of ongoing investigations. The pair have already left Poland.

Tusk has described the explosion on a rail line linking Poland's capital, Warsaw, to the border with Ukraine as an "unprecedented act of sabotage."

That rail line is being used to transport aid to Ukraine, Polish officials said.

On Wednesday, Poland's foreign minister said he would order the closure of the last Russian consulate still operating in the country as part of the country's response to the sabotage.

Radek Sikorski said he had repeatedly warned Russia that its diplomatic and consular presence would be reduced further if it didn't cease hostile actions against Poland, Polish news agency PAP reported.


Another country taking out infrastructure in your country is generally called an act of war, not an act of terror.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1953 on: November 20, 2025, 01:51:41 pm »
Another country taking out infrastructure in your country is generally called an act of war, not an act of terror.

I agree. And any Russians or Russian tools getting caught doing this crap deserve a firing squad.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1954 on: November 20, 2025, 04:51:28 pm »
Am disappointed that we have not be able to get Crude prices down to $40-$50/bbl.  (Abt. $60/bbl today).

Until then, there will be no incentive for Putin to end this thing,

Ukraine may be affecting worldwide supply and prices:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGaZt2CqQI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGq2FFKCiWA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6dhqXQmX8g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKPai_qTxs
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1955 on: November 20, 2025, 06:23:30 pm »
I just read an article that I hope is false reporting. It said a peace agreement had been reached between Putin and Trump. Not Z. It included Ukraine giving up territory, laying down weapons and army reduction. Somebody tell me why (if true) that an invaded country that has not yet lost the conflict would agree to this?

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1956 on: November 20, 2025, 06:30:40 pm »
I just read an article that I hope is false reporting. It said a peace agreement had been reached between Putin and Trump. Not Z. It included Ukraine giving up territory, laying down weapons and army reduction. Somebody tell me why (if true) that an invaded country that has not yet lost the conflict would agree to this?


Only if Trump extorts them for the benefit of his bromance with Putin.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1957 on: November 21, 2025, 07:15:03 am »

Only if Trump extorts them for the benefit of his bromance with Putin.

47's 'peace' plan:

Stop the killing;
Welcome home best bro;
Collect Nobel prize.

Security Guarantees:
Set stage for best bro to eliminate his 'root causes';
Make sure no US troops on ground;
Admonish best bro for cutting off the Baltics;
Express disappointment at best bro crossing the Polish border.
Collect 2nd Nobel.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1958 on: November 21, 2025, 07:27:47 am »
The latest "peace plan" offers no way for Ukraine to defend itself, just lots of empty promises (which is why the Putin stooges on TOS love it so much)

- Their army is restricted in size to 600,000
- No NATO membership is allowed, and neutrality will be enforced
- No Western troops can be stationed in Ukraine
- Ukraine has to withdraw from Donbas areas they control now

This is Russia's dream come true, a naked and defenseless neighbor!!

(Obviously, this one-sided so-called "peace plan" is dead on arrival)
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« Reply #1959 on: November 21, 2025, 07:44:47 am »
The latest "peace plan" offers no way for Ukraine to defend itself, just lots of empty promises (which is why the Putin stooges on TOS love it so much)

- Their army is restricted in size to 600,000
- No NATO membership is allowed, and neutrality will be enforced
- No Western troops can be stationed in Ukraine
- Ukraine has to withdraw from Donbas areas they control now

This is Russia's dream come true, a naked and defenseless neighbor!!

(Obviously, this one-sided so-called "peace plan" is dead on arrival)

Dead until 47 tells Z to accept or the US will withdraw all support and guarantees.

Anything to rekindle the broken bromance at any price!

Above all remember the new US slogan/foreign policy: Invasion Pays!!

Stage now set for the acquisition of best bro's buffer zones and elimination of Nazis and other 'root causes'. Xi begins his crossing to Taiwan unopposed by the US.

5 US troops perish during the US invasion of Venezuela when their vehicle rolls over; the US public demands immediate end to hostilities, as 5 deaths are too big a price to pay for stopping drugs that are killing thousands.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1960 on: November 21, 2025, 08:04:21 am »
Dead until 47 tells Z to accept or the US will withdraw all support and guarantees.

Anything to rekindle the broken bromance at any price!

Above all remember the new US slogan/foreign policy: Invasion Pays!!

Stage now set for the acquisition of best bro's buffer zones and elimination of Nazis and other 'root causes'. Xi begins his crossing to Taiwan unopposed by the US.

5 US troops perish during the US invasion of Venezuela when their vehicle rolls over; the US public demands immediate end to hostilities, as 5 deaths are too big a price to pay for stopping drugs that are killing thousands.

Pretty much.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1961 on: November 21, 2025, 08:33:19 am »
The latest "peace plan" offers no way for Ukraine to defend itself, just lots of empty promises (which is why the Putin stooges on TOS love it so much)

- Their army is restricted in size to 600,000
- No NATO membership is allowed, and neutrality will be enforced
- No Western troops can be stationed in Ukraine
- Ukraine has to withdraw from Donbas areas they control now

This is Russia's dream come true, a naked and defenseless neighbor!!

(Obviously, this one-sided so-called "peace plan" is dead on arrival)

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1962 on: November 21, 2025, 10:36:41 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 20, 2025


"Peace Plan" in full:


All available reporting continues to indicate that the stipulations of the reported 28-point Russia-US peace plan amount to Ukraine's full capitulation to Russia's original war demands. Western media outlets and Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada Deputy Oleksiy Honcharenko published on November 20 all 28 points of the reported peace plan

[ Find the Ukraine benefit for $25, or the major Russian concession for $100 ]

The reported provisions include that :

1. Ukraine will withdraw from the remainder of unoccupied Donbas (Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts) and this area will become a “neutral demilitarized buffer zone” internationally recognized as Russian territory;

2. All of Crimea, Donetsk Oblast, and Luhansk Oblast will be recognized as de facto Russian territory, including by the United States;

3. The conflict will freeze along the current frontline in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts;

4. Russia will relinquish the territory it controls outside of occupied Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts;

5. Ukraine's military will be capped at a maximum of 600,000 personnel;

6. Ukraine must enshrine in its constitution that it will not seek NATO membership, and NATO agrees to include statute provisions that it will not admit Ukraine any time in the future;

7. It is “expected” that NATO will not further expand;

8. NATO will not deploy troops to Ukraine;

9. Ukraine will receive “reliable” security guarantees, including from the United States, for which the United States will receive unspecified compensation;

10. The US guarantee holds that a renewed Russian invasion of Ukraine would provoke a coordinated military response, reimpose all international sanctions against Russia, and revoke all other benefits to Russia listed in the proposal;

11. The US security guarantee will be revoked, if Ukraine invades Russia or launches missiles at Moscow or St. Petersburg;

12. Ukraine must reject and prohibit “all Nazi ideologies” and hold elections within 100 days of codifying the agreement;

13. Ukraine will receive funds and assistance from the United States, proceeds from frozen Russian assets, and the international community for reconstruction and energy infrastructure modernization.


ISW is unable to confirm the exact provisions of the reported peace plan at the time of this writing. A US official told PBS Newshour and Axios that the White House views the plan as a “live” or “working” document that can change based on further discussions.

Many of the points from the reported peace plan text cohere with prior Western reporting of the peace plan from November 19 and 20

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt confirmed on November 20 that US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio have been working to develop a plan since roughly mid-October 2025 and that they have engaged both Russia and Ukraine “equally.”

Key Russian officials continue to deny the reported peace plan.


There are no provisions in the reported peace plan in which Russia makes any concessions, and ISW continues to assess that accepting Russian demands would set conditions for renewed Russian aggression against Ukraine. Many of the provisions in the full text of the reported plan align with the Kremlin's original 2022 Istanbul demands, which amount to Ukraine's full capitulation, even though the battlefield situation has changed markedly in the years since and has forced Russia to resort to grinding, foot-pace offensives to make marginal tactical advances.

The Kremlin has continuously reiterated that it intends to achieve all of its war goals either diplomatically or militarily, setting informational conditions to justify renewed aggression against Ukraine at a later date.

Russian officials have also set informational conditions to justify the aggression for the occupation of Ukraine beyond the five regions it has illegally annexed.

This reported plan would capitulate to Russian President Vladimir Putin's theory of victory, which is predicated on the assumption that Russia's military and economy can outlast Western support to Ukraine, and would reinforce the Kremlin's belief that the Kremlin can achieve its maximalist objectives against Ukraine and elsewhere with minimal international consequences.

Russia would therefore be likely to launch renewed aggression against Ukraine with a blooded, rested, and reconstituted military at a time of its choosing on battle lines in Ukraine that would heavily favor Russia.

A Ukrainian withdrawal from Donetsk Oblast would force Ukraine to withdraw to lines that would largely be indefensible against renewed Russian aggression from positions in the oblast, and would also provide Russia with easy access to seize Ukraine's Fortress Belt - Ukraine's key defensive line in Donetsk Oblast that is a critical logistics and defense industrial hub - if left undefended in a demilitarized buffer zone.

Russian forces would likely be able to launch renewed pushes into southern Kharkiv Oblast and eastern Zaporizhia and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts from the proposed ”frozen” frontline. ISW continues to assess that timely and sufficient Western military assistance and weapon sales to Ukraine, in concert with strong US and other Western economic measures against Russia, can enable Ukraine to inflict more severe battlefield losses on Russia and therefore challenge Putin's theory of victory.

The reported peace plan, by contrast, cedes all Western and Ukrainian leverage to Russia.


Russian officials continue to react to the reported 28-point peace plan by reiterating their commitment to Russia's original war aims and blaming Ukraine for Russia's own unwillingness to compromise.

Senior Russian officials reiterated on November 19 and 20 the Kremlin's demand that an end to the war address its alleged “root causes” of the war, which the Kremlin has long used as shorthand for its original war justifications, and amplified the false narrative that a Russian victory in Ukraine is inevitable.

Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that Russia is committed to negotiations but deflected blame onto Ukraine and the West for the stall in peace negotiations as a result of Russia's unwillingness to make concessions to end the war.

Some Russian officials expressed doubt about or rejected components of the reported peace deal despite the significant benefits it would afford Russia. Some Western media outlets reported that the plan holds that Russia would make lend-lease payments to Ukraine for its occupation of Donbas, a provision that Russian State Duma Committee on Economic Policy Deputy Chairperson Artem Kiryanov explicitly rejected as “completely unacceptable” and “unworthy” of serious discussion.

State Duma International Affairs Committee First Deputy Head Alexei Chepa claimed that discussions on the reported 28-point plan may “take some time” and deflected blame from Russia's continued intransigence in negotiations to discredit the Ukrainian government and Europe.


The Kremlin continues to use a combination of economic incentives and nuclear saber-rattling to extract concessions from the United States to normalize US-Russian relations without making reciprocal concessions to end the war. The reported peace proposal also stipulates that the United States and Russia will agree to extend nuclear non-proliferation treaties including the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), that Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy including multi-staged sanction relief and a bilateral US-Russian long-term economic cooperation agreements, and that about 50 percent of the profits from frozen Russian assets will be invested in a joint US-Russian investment vehicle.

The Kremlin has repeatedly used economic incentives unrelated to the war in Ukraine and the prospect of US-Russian arms control talks to extract concessions from the United States about the war in Ukraine.

These concessions would give away leverage that is crucial to US President Donald Trump's stated objective of achieving an enduring, just, and mutually beneficial peace in Ukraine.

A map showing the proposed territorial changes under the US-Russia plan


Russian forces operating in the Hulyaipole direction continue to employ their new offensive template that relies on a combination of a prolonged battlefield air interdiction (BAI) campaign, tactical interdiction efforts, infiltration missions, and mass small group assaults to advance ...

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-20-2025/
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1963 on: November 21, 2025, 10:40:07 am »
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« Reply #1964 on: November 21, 2025, 10:43:23 am »
Russian commanders at their best


The commander of the 247th Guards Air Assault Caucasian Cossack Regiment of the Russian Armed Forces stripped his soldiers naked and threw them into a pit.
Russian traditions in all their glory.

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« Reply #1965 on: November 21, 2025, 10:43:54 am »
Politician and propagandist Aleksandr Kazakov publicly admits that one of the goals of Russia’s strikes on Ukraine’s infrastructure is to drive out residents from the territories Russia intends to occupy.

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1991501145110638912

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« Reply #1966 on: November 21, 2025, 11:11:14 am »
US pushes Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving - or lose intel, weapons access: report

https://nypost.com/2025/11/21/us-news/us-pushes-ukraine-to-sign-peace-deal-by-thanksgiving-or-lose-intel-weapons-access-report/

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« Reply #1967 on: November 21, 2025, 04:59:29 pm »
Dzhokhar Dudayev (15 February 1944 – 21 April 1996)




A Chechen politician, statesman, and military leader of the 1990s Chechen independence movement from Russia. He served as the first president of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria from 1991 until his assassination in 1996.

Dudayev had previously served as a senior officer in the Soviet Air Forces. Dudayev was born in Chechnya in 1944, days before his family and the entire Chechen nation were deported to Central Asia by the Soviet regime in the Chechen genocide as part of an ethnic cleansing program that affected several million members of ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union between the 1930s and 1950s …

On 21 April 1996, while using a satellite phone, Dudayev was assassinated by 2 laser-guided missiles, after his location was detected by a Russian reconnaissance aircraft, which intercepted his phone call. At the time, Dudayev was talking to Konstantin Borovoy, a deputy of the State Duma in Moscow.

“The biggest mistake is to disrespect Ukrainians. Consider Ukrainians weak. Offend Ukrainians. Never offend Ukrainians. Ukrainians are never as weak as you think. Almighty Allah forbid expelling Ukrainians or taking something away from Ukrainians.

Ukrainians always come back. The Ukrainians will return and reclaim what is theirs. However, when the Ukrainians return, they do not know how to calculate the force and how to apply it proportionally. They will destroy everything in their path. Do not offend the Ukrainians. Otherwise, when Ukrainians return to the land where their ancestors are buried, those living on this land will envy the dead,” – Dzhokhar Dudaev.

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« Reply #1968 on: November 21, 2025, 05:06:21 pm »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, Nov 20 2025


Gerasimov complained to Putin that contract soldiers were "dying in combat too quickly" and again asked for mobilization. He was told to wait.

As a source close to Valery Gerasimov informed us, the Chief of the General Staff is once again asking Vladimir Putin to declare a major mobilization in Russia [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6365 ].

"Valery Vasilyevich reported to the president on the situation on the battlefield. He also spoke about the problems that arose during the Second Military Operation. In particular, the quality of the troops who sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense is a concern.

"Contract soldiers are dying in battle too quickly, most within a month or two, or losing arms or legs, meaning they cease to be fully functional soldiers. In this situation, Valery Vasilyevich again asked Vladimir Vladimirovich to declare a major mobilization and recruit several hundred thousand men into the army.

"The losses are significant, and the troops need to be replenished. Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to consider it," the channel's source said.

The Kremlin confirmed that Gerasimov had requested mobilization from Putin. However, the Chief of the General Staff was advised to wait until "it is possible to bend the Kyiv regime and force it to make significant concessions." This will determine, among other things, whether a new mobilization will be announced.

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« Reply #1969 on: November 21, 2025, 05:11:03 pm »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, Nov 21 2025


Putin has been asked to cancel or significantly reduce payments for soldiers killed at the front

Philosopher Alexander Dugin submitted this proposal to the Kremlin.

"I heard that in Khakassia they've stopped paying regional compensation to the families of fallen soldiers [ https://t.me/ejdailyru/368383 ]. And that local residents are outraged. What can I say? I'm furious! Reducing payments for the dead is a natural process in the context of a total war, which Russia is entering," the philosopher believes [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6378 ].

"Firstly, dying for the Motherland is the highest honor. Any family should be proud that a member of their family died at the front. Proud without money!

"Secondly, President Putin stated that the goals of the Central Military District must be unconditionally achieved [ https://t.me/Agdchan/24086 ].

"This means that several years of intense fighting lie ahead. Given limited material resources, sanctions, and the crises that are inevitable during any war, money should be spent on weapons - tanks, missiles, drones. Not on funerals. All the dead will be buried; the funds will be found. But if we don't have enough for weapons, a major catastrophe will ensue," Dugin also stated.

In this regard, he submitted a proposal to the Kremlin to completely cancel or reduce to a minimum payments to the families of fallen soldiers. "Let all of Russia think about Victory, about the spiritual, and not about money," the philosopher urged.

Kremlin sources confirmed to us that they received a corresponding proposal from Dugin and conveyed it to Vladimir Putin. The President has not yet responded.

https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6447
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« Reply #1970 on: November 21, 2025, 05:12:17 pm »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, Nov 21 2025


A real horror story happened in the LPR

Sources say a unit commander suspected of cannibalism has been detained near Kremennaya (LPR). According to the report, a native of the Vladimir region was caught red-handed, and pieces of meat resembling human remains were found at his residence. They have now been sent for examination.

The rank of the detainee is not being disclosed, and the entire situation is being kept under wraps to avoid further demoralization of the personnel. Sources indicate that at least 2 of the missing men may have been killed by their commander and dismembered. A very serious investigation is currently underway.

It turns out that complaints against the commander had been filed previously, but they had gone unanswered. The Ministry of Defense fears that a similar case could derail the decision to send conscripts to the Northern Military District.

Why are we publishing this, you ask? To ensure the transparency of the investigation. Such incidents should not be allowed to happen, and those responsible must be punished. Anything can happen in war, but this is beyond all bounds and brings shame on the army.

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« Reply #1971 on: November 22, 2025, 11:45:29 am »
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« Reply #1972 on: November 22, 2025, 12:30:30 pm »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, Nov 22 2025


Will the SVO end this year or early next year?

Many have asked this question in light of the American peace plan and the possible intensification of negotiations on the Ukrainian crisis. Our sources in the Kremlin have expressed skepticism.

"You saw that Vladimir Vladimirovich reacted coolly and reservedly to the latest peace plan [ https://t.me/rian_ru/327152 ]***. It couldn't have been otherwise, and there are several reasons for this.

"First of all, there are plans to ensure that the goals of the Joint Military Council are achieved, as clearly stated our President yesterday [ https://t.me/rian_ru/327053 ]. Achieving the Joint Military Council's goals will take several years, everyone understands that [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6307 ]. We are currently hoping that the DPR will be liberated by the end of next year. And then other tasks await us.

"Furthermore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, as the world's most powerful and experienced politician, believes that the SVO can only end on our terms. And nothing else. Putin will dictate the terms, not the US, Europe, or anyone else," noted a source close to the President.

Another source also doesn't believe the fighting will end soon. "God told Vladimir Vladimirovich to fight as long as necessary. Things are tough now, but we won't stop. If necessary, we'll fight for 10 years," he noted.

Thus, no one in the Presidential Administration expects the special operations to end soon. The Central Bank is still hoping for this scenario. They again warn that continuing the special operation could lead to a worsening of the current crisis and a "very grave situation" as early as the first half of next year [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6256 ].

In response to this, the Kremlin notes that “they are not listening to the stupid hysterics of Nabiullina and her people.”

https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/6450

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RIA Novosti, Nov 21 2025
 

Putin's key statements on the US plan to resolve the Ukrainian conflict:

▪️ During the meeting in Anchorage, Russia confirmed that, despite the difficulties, it agrees with the American side's proposals for a settlement.

▪️ The US asked Russia to make certain compromises, Russia agreed.

▪️ The pause after Anchorage was due to the refusal of the Ukrainian side.

▪️ Moscow has the text of Trump's plan, but it has been modernized and has not been discussed in detail.

▪️ Ukraine and its allies are still under the illusion that they can defeat Russia.

▪️ The US still cannot secure the consent of the Ukrainian side, and therefore, is not discussing its plan with Russia.

▪️ Russia is ready for negotiations, but a repeat of the fall of Kupyansk on other parts of the front suits it.


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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1973 on: November 22, 2025, 10:30:45 pm »
Am disappointed that we have not be able to get Crude prices down to $40-$50/bbl.  (Abt. $60/bbl today).

Until then, there will be no incentive for Putin to end this thing,
Keep in mind that $40 will shut down a lot of our domestic drilling, too. $60 keeps it going, and we will need it.
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« Reply #1974 on: November 23, 2025, 11:51:49 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 22, 2025

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Russian officials and state media continue to set information conditions to reject the US-proposed 28-point peace plan, indicating that the Kremlin is actively conditioning the Russian people to not accept anything less than a full victory in Ukraine. Russian State Duma International Affairs Committee First Deputy Head Alexei Chepa commented on the peace plan, stating that any plan must adhere to Russia's full demands.

Chepa reiterated that Russia's objective is for any peace settlement to address the alleged “root causes” of its war in Ukraine, a deliberately vague term that the Kremlin has long used as shorthand for its original war justifications and demands, such as the destruction of Ukrainian sovereignty and the NATO alliance.

Chepa implied that the proposed peace plan offers more concessions to Russia than previous proposals but is still insufficient to address Russia's maximalist demands. Russian state TV channels and milbloggers highlighted similar narratives, including those about how Russia would only participate in a peace plan that eliminates the root causes of the war ­- implying that Russia is not interested in any peace negotiations until it accomplishes its goals on the battlefield.

State Duma Defense Committee Member Andrei Kolesnik claimed that Russia will not give up any territories in Ukraine that it has illegally annexed, even areas that Russia does not fully occupy such as Zaporizhia Oblast.

Kolesnik’s statement indicates that the Kremlin is uninterested in making any territorial compromises. Kolesnik also reiterated the false narrative that a Russian victory in Ukraine is inevitable, such that Ukraine should submit to Russia's full demands now.

Russian Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR) Head and Duma Deputy Leonid Slutsky stated that the peace plan is a “good basis” for a settlement but that Russian advances in eastern Ukraine are “equally compelling arguments” - implying that Russia remains committed to continuing its war in Ukraine on the battlefield.

ISW continues to assess that a Russian victory is not inevitable, however, and that Ukraine and the West can leverage several key Russian weaknesses to force the Kremlin to negotiate and make real concessions.


Ukrainian, American, and European delegations will meet on November 23 to discuss the US-proposed peace plan to end the war. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on November 22 that Ukrainian Presidential Office Head Andriy Yermak will lead a new Ukrainian negotiating delegation.

The delegation includes ... Zelensky stated that Ukrainian, American, British, French, and German delegations will meet on November 23 in Switzerland to discuss the proposed 28-point peace plan.

Reuters reported that a US official stated that US Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll, whom US President Donald Trump reportedly appointed as a special envoy in the peace negotiations, will attend the upcoming talks in Geneva alongside US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.


Ukrainian military officials continue to indicate that Ukrainian forces are pushing back Russian efforts to seize Kupyansk - in contrast to repeated Russian claims of seizing the town. Ukrainian Joint Forces Task Force Spokesperson Colonel Viktor Trehubov stated on November 21 that Russian forces continue to try to infiltrate into Kupyansk, but that the number of Russian soldiers in the northern part of the town has decreased to about 40 personnel.

The Russian military command began to exaggerate Russian successes in Kupyansk in late August 2025 - a narrative that the Kremlin has only intensified in recent weeks.

Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov and Russian Western Grouping of Forces Commander Colonel General Sergei Kuzovlev notably claimed to Russian President Vladimir Putin on November 20 that Russian forces had seized Kupyansk, and Russian milbloggers subsequently denied this claim.

ISW continues to assess that Ukrainian forces in the Kupyansk direction continue to contest the town and are in the process of rolling back a Russian effort to infiltrate the town.

ISW has not observed sufficient geolocated evidence to assess that Russian forces have seized close to all of Kupyansk as of November 22.


The situation in the Pokrovsk direction remains serious and dynamic as Russian forces continue attempts to seize Pokrovsk itself and encircle Ukrainian forces in Myrnohrad (east of Pokrovsk). Russian milbloggers claimed on November 21 and 22 that Russian forces seized Pokrovsk and advanced north of the town.

Russian milbloggers also claimed that Russian forces advanced along the T-0504 Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad highway in southern Rivne (between Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad).

Russian sources claimed that Russian forces have begun attacking into Myrnohrad along the T-0504 from Rivne and advanced in eastern Myrnohrad, likely in an attempt to fix Ukrainian forces within Myrnohrad while also tightening the encirclement around Myrnohrad and blocking Ukrainian egress routes from the town.

A Ukrainian service member acknowledged on November 21 that Ukrainian forces “completely” lost Pokrovsk and noted that Russian forces are attempting to narrow the egress route near Myrnohrad and Rivne.

The service member further stated that Russian forces have cut off all logistics into Myrnohrad and that Ukrainian forces will likely be unable to withdraw from the remaining, limited opening in the pocket.


The Russian military command continues to focus a significant number of forces to close the Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad pocket, which is resulting in heavy Russian losses. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported on November 22 that Russia has concentrated over 150,000 servicemembers for offensive operations in the Pokrovsk direction.

Chief of the Ukrainian General Staff Major General Andriy Hnatov told German outlet Die Zeit on November 20 that the Russian military command has amassed a large number of troops to take Pokrovsk and that there are about 400 Russian soldiers within the town.

Hnatov noted that urban areas are easier to defend and more difficult to seize, resulting in high Russian losses. The Ukrainian Eastern Operation Task Force reported on November 22 that Russian forces are maintaining a high intensity of attacks and are primarily concentrating efforts on seizing Pokrovsk itself, despite heavy losses forcing the Russian military command to tap into operational reserves.

The Russian military command notably redeployed elements of the relatively elite 76th Airborne (VDV) Division to the Pokrovsk direction to support Russian efforts to seize the pocket, likely due to the slowing tempo of Russian advances in the area.

ISW continues to assess that Russian forces will very likely complete the seizure of Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad after a 21-month campaign, though the timing and operational implications of these seizures remain unclear at this time.


Authorities recently reported multiple drone sightings over air bases and airports in the Netherlands. Dutch Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans reported that authorities observed unidentified drones flying over Volkel Air Base near Eindhoven, a Royal Netherlands Air Force base that hosts a US Air Force squadron as part of NATO, on the evening of November 21.

Brekelmans reported that attempts to shoot down the drones were unsuccessful and that authorities never recovered the drones after they flew away. Brekelmans reported that authorities also observed multiple drones at Eindhoven Airport on November 22 and subsequently suspended civilian and military air traffic.

Dutch authorities have not identified an actor behind the drone overflights as of this writing. These are the latest in a series of drone sightings over European airports and air bases in recent weeks, which come against the backdrop of Russia's intensifying “Phase Zero” campaign to destabilize Europe, undermine NATO's cohesion, and set the political, informational, and psychological conditions for a potential future Russian war against NATO.


Ukrainian forces reportedly recently downed at least 19 Kinzhal ballistic missiles with electronic warfare (EW), likely in response to Ukraine's Patriot air defense interceptor missile shortages and Russian Kinzhal modifications. Servicemembers of the Ukrainian Night Watch EW unit told online outlet 404 in an article published on November 20 that the unit downed 19 Kinzhals over the past 2 weeks (roughly from November 6 to 20) and later revealed to Forbes that the unit may have downed 21 Kinzhals over an unspecified time period.

Night Watch service members stated that they use the Lima EW jamming system, which spoofs the Kinzhals’ navigation system by creating a disruption field that prevents the missile from communicating with satellites within the Russian GLONASS system. The Lima EW system causes the missile to become confused about its location and rapidly change direction at a high speed, putting excessive stress on the airframe that causes the missile to ultimately fail to reach its target.

A Night Watch service member noted that Ukrainian forces began to jam Kinzhals with the Lima system as an adaptation to Ukraine's shortage of Patriot interceptors and limitations of the air defense systems, likely referring to Russia's new technological innovations that allow Kinzhals to bypass Patriots.

The Financial Times (FT) reported on October 3 that Russia likely recently modified its Iskander-M and Kinzhal ballistic missiles to execute unexpected diversionary maneuvers during the terminal flight phase to “confuse” Ukrainian Patriot interceptor missiles.

Ukrainian forces have still been able to down Russian ballistic missiles with Patriot systems since the reported Russian modifications.

Ukrainian forces will continue to need both new EW systems and Patriot systems to repel persistent Russian drone and missile threats, particularly Russian ballistic missiles, despite these successful Ukrainian adaptations, in order to ensure continuous and reliable defenses throughout the country.


Russian forces are continuing to commit war crimes on the battlefield in Ukraine, particularly near Pokrovsk. The Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office opened an investigation on November 22 into a video showing Russian forces executing 5 captured and unarmed Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) near Kotlyne (southwest of Pokrovsk) on November 19.

Article 13 of the Geneva Convention prohibits any unlawful act or omission by the detaining power which causes death or seriously endangers the health of a POW while in custody.

ISW has observed an increase in Russian war crimes in the Pokrovsk direction in recent weeks as Russian forces have approached and infiltrated the town.


https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-22-2025/
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #1975 on: November 23, 2025, 11:52:32 am »
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« Reply #1976 on: Today at 01:18:32 am »
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« Reply #1977 on: Today at 01:21:01 am »
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Russian philosopher Dugin on Ukraine.

Russia doesn't hide its true intentions.

"Ukraine will be ours entirely within a maximum of two years. Possibly much sooner. There will be no sovereignty left there at all, since Ukrainians are absolutely incapable of using it. They never have been and never will be. This is not the case. As far as I know, work is in full swing on a detailed plan for integrating Ukrainian society into the unified space of the Russian World. Work is underway on textbooks, emergency programs for mass treatment and psychological rehabilitation. A project for administrative restructuring is already prepared. Most likely, these territories will receive a new name. Possibly ‘Old Lands.’ But this is still being discussed. As for preserving or abolishing the Russophobic dialect spoken by the Nazis, there is no consensus. I support partially keeping it, but not everyone agrees. We approach this matter very seriously, carefully, and thoroughly. This is not for propaganda, but for major long-term work."



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