The Guardian view on the children of Gaza: when 17,000 die, it’s more than a mistake

[txradioguy]

I guess you missed the Arabs arriving as conquerors in the seventh century and there having been a Greek-speaking Christian population before that in your 2000 year claim for the Arabs.

Yes, Ashkenazim moved into the Ottoman province, and mandate Palestine from the 19th century through the early 20th, buying land and homes from the Arabs, Armenians, and others who lived there when they arrived, but Sephardic Jews had been there all along.  And, most the inhabitants of Israel now have at least one Sephardic ancestor, either from the ones who were there from antiquity, or from among the Jews who were either formally expelled from Arab nations or who fled pogroms launched against them when Israel fought its War of Independence against the British and fought off the first Arab attempt to drive them into the sea.  As I asked about the Greeks and Smyrna, the Germans and East Prussia and Circassians and their homeland, do the Sephardim who were expelled from or fled Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and Jordan have a right of return of the sort you claim for the Palestinians?

The Arabs are not indignenous to Palestine. They held it by right of conquest, just as the Romans did before them, and the Israelis do now.

They didn't miss it sir.  They just don't care.

[roamer_1]

I've seen some pretty ignorant takes on this forum over the years...this has to be in the top 3 and it's nothing but cut and paste from Hamas/"Palestinian"/Anti-Israel talking points.

Yeah.

There is no such thing as the "Palestinian people" you obtuse lawn flamingo!  The people you refer to are Jordanian Arabs.  They have no homeland they have a legal right to nor are they due any "compensation".

QFT... "you obtuse lawn flamingo!"  Now there's a turn of phrase. 

It should be no surprise that I agree with your position exactly. It's like you actually read history or something. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Yeah.

QFT... "you obtuse lawn flamingo!"  Now there's a turn of phrase. 

It should be no surprise that I agree with your position exactly. It's like you actually read history or something. 

@txradioguy is an aficionado of world history (as it pertains to war), and if he tells me it's so, then it is so....

[roamer_1]

@txradioguy is an aficionado of world history (as it pertains to war), and if he tells me it's so, then it is so....

He's right. On the Declaration of the establishment of Israel, a large portion of those living in the ancient land of the Moabites (technically Jordanians) in the Sinai Desert moved northward, and eastward and started making claims. Very few of the so-called Palestinians come from native stock on the land, and even fewer hold any title.

And it is a bare fact that Israelis have bought title to the land wherever and whenever they could. No always, but largely so. It is also true that many arabs own title to land within Israel to this day, and live and work in Israel without discord. How then can it be true that they have grabbed land? It is true that they have grabbed jurisdiction - That is true - As spoils of wars that they never started and never wanted. Their influence expanded as a result of those wars. Their state expanded. But that has never affected title. And if it did, why are so many arabs holding title to this day?

[Cyber Liberty]

He's right. On the Declaration of the establishment of Israel, a large portion of those living in the ancient land of the Moabites (technically Jordanians) in the Sinai Desert moved northward, and eastward and started making claims. Very few of the so-called Palestinians come from native stock on the land, and even fewer hold any title.

And it is a bare fact that Israelis have bought title to the land wherever and whenever they could. No always, but largely so. It is also true that many arabs own title to land within Israel to this day, and live and work in Israel without discord. How then can it be true that they have grabbed land? It is true that they have grabbed jurisdiction - That is true - As spoils of wars that they never started and never wanted. Their influence expanded as a result of those wars. Their state expanded. But that has never affected title. And if it did, why are so many arabs holding title to this day?

The most free Arabs in the Middle East are ones that are citizens of Israel.

[berdie]

Yeah.

QFT... "you obtuse lawn flamingo!"  Now there's a turn of phrase. 

It should be no surprise that I agree with your position exactly. It's like you actually read history or something. 

I have to admit that gave me a huge chuckle. Plus the post is historically accurate.

[Bigun]

He's right. On the Declaration of the establishment of Israel, a large portion of those living in the ancient land of the Moabites (technically Jordanians) in the Sinai Desert moved northward, and eastward and started making claims. Very few of the so-called Palestinians come from native stock on the land, and even fewer hold any title.

And it is a bare fact that Israelis have bought title to the land wherever and whenever they could. No always, but largely so. It is also true that many arabs own title to land within Israel to this day, and live and work in Israel without discord. How then can it be true that they have grabbed land? It is true that they have grabbed jurisdiction - That is true - As spoils of wars that they never started and never wanted. Their influence expanded as a result of those wars. Their state expanded. But that has never affected title. And if it did, why are so many arabs holding title to this day?

Of course he's right. Anyone who believes anything those people (Muslims) tell you is VERY gullible and that is as nicely as I can say it.

[txradioguy]

@roamer_1 @Cyber Liberty @berdie @Bigun

High praise from four people I really respect on here.

Thank you.

[txradioguy]

The most free Arabs in the Middle East are ones that are citizens of Israel.

If the Left would ever get their lips off the but cheeks of Hamas and the "Palestinians" they'd embrace Israel and its politics.

They are a Liberal utopia when it comes to gun control....gay rights...taxes and healthcare.  Israel is everything a Leftist loves. 

Hell Muslims are also Israeli citizens...serve in the Knesset and the military.


But like the Muslims...the Libs hatred of Jews overrides everything else including common sense.

[Wingnut]

There is no such thing as the "Palestinian people" you obtuse lawn flamingo! The people you refer to are Jordanian Arabs.  They have no homeland they have a legal right to nor are they due any "compensation".

You're too innoculated in your anti-semitism and anti-Israel bliss.

I was looking for an insult that would not land me in Facebook Jail.  I think I just found it.  Thank you good sir!

[Cyber Liberty]

I was looking for an insult that would not land me in Facebook Jail.  I think I just found it.  Thank you good sir!

You still post on Zuck's Folly?

[Wingnut]

You still post on Zuck's Folly?

Yeah, I know, but you do what you have to do. 

So where are you sharing your cat gifs and photo's these days? 

[Cyber Liberty]

Yeah, I know, but you do what you have to do. 

So where are you sharing your cat gifs and photo's these days? 

X & MeWe

[txradioguy]

I was looking for an insult that would not land me in Facebook Jail.  I think I just found it.  Thank you good sir!

*bows*

[MeganC]

you obtuse lawn flamingo!

 

[DefiantMassRINO]

Those 17,000 children were alive on October 6, 2023.

This could all be over if Hamas surrendered and released the hostages, but it won't.

Hamas and Iran are perfectly willing to let every child die in Gaza to bring Israel closer to destruction.

The Iranians see themselves as racially superior Aryans while viewing Arabs as inferior.  Iran is pulling the strings.  Iran does not value Arab lives.  They are content to let every Arab die if it means the destruction of Israel.

Don't under estimate the power and reach that Nazi ideology had in the Middle East during the 1930s and 1940s - including the former Shah of Iran.

[Cyber Liberty]

Those 17,000 children were alive on October 6, 2023.

This could all be over if Hamas surrendered and released the hostages, but it won't.

Hamas and Iran are perfectly willing to let every child die in Gaza to bring Israel closer to destruction.

The Iranians see themselves as racially superior Aryans while viewing Arabs as inferior.  Iran is pulling the strings.  Iran does not value Arab lives.  They are content to let every Arab die if it means the destruction of Israel.

Don't under estimate the power and reach that Nazi ideology had in the Middle East during the 1930s and 1940s - including the former Shah of Iran.

I wouldn't disagree with that.  Additionally, Iranians are, in general, Shiites and Arabs are mostly Sunnis, and they hate each other for being the "wrong" kind of Muslims.

[roamer_1]

Those 17,000 children were alive on October 6, 2023.

Nah. those 17000 children were largely a figment of someone's rancid imagining on  October 6, 2023, and they still are.

Someone had better make up a more reasonable number. Or maybe even tell the truth, with receipts.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nah. those 17000 children were largely a figment of someone's rancid imagining on  October 6, 2023, and they still are.

Someone had better make up a more reasonable number. Or maybe even tell the truth, with receipts.

That'll happen.  Sure.