The Guardian view on the children of Gaza: when 17,000 die, it’s more than a mistake

[txradioguy]

The fruits of hatred.

Mistakes made in 1948 continuing to have repercussions today.

[cato potatoe]

It wasn't a country, but the region was commonly referred to as Palestine for centuries until 1948.  The countries nearby weren't really countries until the ottoman empire was carved up.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Mistakes made during and after World War I - like the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 - are still haunting us today.

[txradioguy]

It wasn't a country, but the region was commonly referred to as Palestine for centuries until 1948.  The countries nearby weren't really countries until the ottoman empire was carved up.

Israel was referred to Palestine because the Romans called it that to minimize Jewish identification with their traditional homeland.  That misidentification started in the Second Century AD and continued through the idiotic Balfour Declaration in 1917.


It was, is, and always will be Israel.  Jordanian Arabs ("Palestinians") had a chance to have their own homeland roughly the same size as Israel back in 1948 and chose the current path they are on today.


You should really study history that wasn't written from an antisemitic slant.  You won't sound so much like a Hamas propagandist.

[Right_in_Virginia]

They could have had this:

But instead opted for



The fruits of hatred.

Just to clarify @Smokin Joe  --- Are you saying the Gazans could have had the top photo, but chose the one on the bottom out of hate?

Thanks.

[cato potatoe]

Israel was referred to Palestine because the Romans called it that to minimize Jewish identification with their traditional homeland.  That misidentification started in the Second Century AD and continued through the idiotic Balfour Declaration in 1917.

It was, is, and always will be Israel.  Jordanian Arabs ("Palestinians") had a chance to have their own homeland roughly the same size as Israel back in 1948 and chose the current path they are on today.

This is history from a jewish perspective.  Sorry but the Bible is not a primary source outside of religious studies.  The Israelites probably emerged from the Cannanite tribes.  Before that, the area was inhabited by various neolithic peoples.  Gaza was home to Philistines, not fully under control of the Israelites. 

European powers drew arbitrary lines all over the middle east, and it hasn't gone well.  For a tribe to return to a large, inhabited piece of real estate after 18 centuries and claim ownership is quite a provocative move.  Being forced to surrender ancestral land by the UN was met with resistance, understandably. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Oh bullcrap. Trust is a two-way street And it was not the Israelis that failed to honor agreements. 'From the river to the sea' - That has always been the mantra - And it speaks nothing of peace. Only extermination.

Is this slogan about peace or extermination:  The Likud party's 1977 election manifesto stated, "Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". This remains the goal today.

[Bigun]

Israel was referred to Palestine because the Romans called it that to minimize Jewish identification with their traditional homeland.  That misidentification started in the Second Century AD and continued through the idiotic Balfour Declaration in 1917.


It was, is, and always will be Israel.  Jordanian Arabs ("Palestinians") had a chance to have their own homeland roughly the same size as Israel back in 1948 and chose the current path they are on today.


You should really study history that wasn't written from an antisemitic slant.  You won't sound so much like a Hamas propagandist.

 

[txradioguy]

This is history from a jewish perspective.  Sorry but the Bible is not a primary source outside of religious studies.  The Israelites probably emerged from the Cannanite tribes.  Before that, the area was inhabited by various neolithic peoples.  Gaza was home to Philistines, not fully under control of the Israelites. 

European powers drew arbitrary lines all over the middle east, and it hasn't gone well.  For a tribe to return to a large, inhabited piece of real estate after 18 centuries and claim ownership is quite a provocative move.  Being forced to surrender ancestral land by the UN was met with resistance, understandably.

Enjoy your antisemitic bigotry and ignorance.  I'm done with clowns like you.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jordanian Arabs ("Palestinians") had a chance to have their own homeland roughly the same size as Israel back in 1948 and chose the current path they are on today.

Didn't Jordanian Arabs have a homeland in 1946 when Transjordan became an official independent state?  What does 1948 have to do with this?

Thanks.

[Smokin Joe]

Just to clarify @Smokin Joe  --- Are you saying the Gazans could have had the top photo, but chose the one on the bottom out of hate?

Thanks.

Hate is self-consuming.
When you use your water pipes to make rockets to fire at your enemies, you will have enemies, but not water.
When you use your children, your sick as human shields to destroy others, your young and ailing will be killed as your enemies seek to kill you, no matter how hard they try to leave those vulnerable ones out of it.

As was related to me by a former machine gunner in the Korean War: "The Chinese troops would round up villagers and march them in front of their troops when assaulting a position. You tried to miss the villagers... [but you still had to kill the Chinese.]"

Such is the position the Israelis have been placed in by those who rip up water pipes to make rockets.

[Right_in_Virginia]

  Being forced to surrender ancestral land by the UN was met with resistance, understandably.

This ⬆️ was made worse by Israel denying Palestinians (indigenous people) the right to return after being forced to leave their land due to armed conflicts.   International law, including UN resolutions and humanitarian law, particularly UN Resolution 194, call for the return of refugees or compensation.   

This right is rooted in the displacement of Palestinians during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and subsequent conflicts.  Israel argues that accommodating the right of return would fundamentally alter the Jewish character of the state and that Palestinian refugees have other options, such as resettlement in other Arab countries.

Further complicating the denial of the right of return for Palestinian refugees is the Israeli government's passage of the Law of Return in 1950 giving all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and gain immediate citizenship.

What group of indigenous refugees wouldn't be satisfied with these insults to injury?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Hate is self-consuming.

When you use your children, your sick as human shields to destroy others, your young and ailing will be killed as your enemies seek to kill you no matter how hard they try to leave those vulnerable ones out of it.

You need to explain this ⬆️ to me.

Since Israel is aware of their enemy's strategy, why go ahead and drop 20 pound bombs on children? 

The IDF is the most moral, best trained army in the world and can kill a selected person through a pager and shoot a missle through a picket fence hundreds of miles away and hit the target. 

Why choose to bomb a tent you know is filled with children when you have more efficient ways to make the kill you want?

[Bigun]

This ⬆️ was made worse by Israel denying Palestinians (indigenous people) the right to return after being forced to leave their land due to armed conflicts.   International law, including UN resolutions and humanitarian law, particularly UN Resolution 194, call for the return of refugees or compensation.   

This right is rooted in the displacement of Palestinians during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and subsequent conflicts.  Israel argues that accommodating the right of return would fundamentally alter the Jewish character of the state and that Palestinian refugees have other options, such as resettlement in other Arab countries.

Further complicating the denial of the right of return for Palestinian refugees is the Israeli government's passage of the Law of Return in 1950 giving all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and gain immediate citizenship.

What group of indigenous refugees wouldn't be satisfied with these insults to injury?

Screw the U. N. !

[roamer_1]

It wasn't a country, but the region was commonly referred to as Palestine for centuries until 1948.  The countries nearby weren't really countries until the ottoman empire was carved up.

No... The name comes from the Romans, and was an intentional slur against the Jews after a revolt, 'reverting' the name back to the Roman rendition of 'Philistine' and 'Philistia'. Antisemitism then as now.

The name fell out of use rather quickly since it was a political gesture, and is nearly absent until after the Ottoman Empire... Coincident with the rise of Zionism and the establishment of Israel.

Historically, the land is named Canaan or Israel. 'Philistia' refers specifically to the area known as Gaza today, and not the region. It was a confederation of 5 cities: Ashdoid, Ashkelon, Gath, Gaza, and Ekron. Philistines were invaders that expanded by war across southern Canaan as far inland as Sodom and the cities of the Plain, but were stopped in their expansion, and beat back into the area of those 5 cities.

Ironic ain't it? And here you are, literally rooting for the Philistines. Invaders now, just like then.

[roamer_1]

Israel was referred to Palestine because the Romans called it that to minimize Jewish identification with their traditional homeland.  That misidentification started in the Second Century AD and continued through the idiotic Balfour Declaration in 1917.


It was, is, and always will be Israel.  Jordanian Arabs ("Palestinians") had a chance to have their own homeland roughly the same size as Israel back in 1948 and chose the current path they are on today.

You should really study history that wasn't written from an antisemitic slant.  You won't sound so much like a Hamas propagandist.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

This is history from a jewish perspective.  Sorry but the Bible is not a primary source outside of religious studies.  The Israelites probably emerged from the Cannanite tribes.  Before that, the area was inhabited by various neolithic peoples.  Gaza was home to Philistines, not fully under control of the Israelites. 

European powers drew arbitrary lines all over the middle east, and it hasn't gone well.  For a tribe to return to a large, inhabited piece of real estate after 18 centuries and claim ownership is quite a provocative move.  Being forced to surrender ancestral land by the UN was met with resistance, understandably.

No, it's not. It is history from an historical perspective. And you will not find*ANY* history in the middle east that does not find its genesis in the Bible - It was Christian scholars that opened up middle eastern studies in archaeology and anthropology, long before the sciences were overtaken by liberals.

And that 'science' those liberals 'practiced' has been utterly DISPROVED by the science itself, albeit that liberal journals slow-walk results and publish below the fold. It turns out the Bible is nearly always right. ALWAYS.

From the 'myth' of the house of David being found carved in stone, to the finding of Davids Palace and the Pool of Siloam - Those liberal professors have been proven point-and-laughably WRONG.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1948432313710223795

[roamer_1]

Is this slogan about peace or extermination:  The Likud party's 1977 election manifesto stated, "Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". This remains the goal today.

As it should. It is their homeland from time immemorial.
And it certainly is not an extermination, as proven by all the Arabs who live peaceably within the borders of Israel and suffer no difference under Israeli law, living successfully therein.

No Jizya tax. No second class - nothing like what Muslims do.

[roamer_1]

Why choose to carpet bomb a tent you know is filled with children when you have more efficient ways to make the kill you want?

This is a moronic statement.

'carpet bomb' and 'a tent' are diametrically opposed. 'Carpet bombing' is indiscriminate and area-wide destruction, with no aiming or intent whatsoever beyond the area specified. It's dropping a shit-ton of ordinance on a wide area.

To bomb 'a tent' requires very specific intention and very specific aim.

So which one is it? Because it cannot be both.

[DefiantMassRINO]

This is why the Iranians and Palestinian Arabs can't have nice things ...

https://isgap.org/flashpoint/from-hitler-to-hamas-a-genealogy-of-evil/
From Hitler to Hamas: A Genealogy of Evil

... Hamas: Hitler’s Heirs in the Struggle against World Jewry

Hamas emerged immediately after the outbreak of the Palestinians’ First Intifada against Israel as a militant Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood on 9 December 1987.  The Movement was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his comrades Dr. Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi and Mahmoud al-Zahar.[xiv]  Born in Ashkelon in 1938, Yassin grew up in awe of Haj Amin al-Husseini.[xv]  He joined the Muslim Brotherhood in 1957 and in 1973 established the Islamic Congress in Gaza to expand the influence of the Brotherhood; in 1978 he was among the founders of the Islamic University of Gaza.  Yassin and his cohorts embraced the Nazis’ fundamental view that the Jews are “the dirtiest and meanest of all races, defiling the most sanctified and honored spot on earth,” making “no distinctions between Jews, Zionists, and Israelis.”[xvi]  In her scholarship Esther Webman confirms these findings: “Generally no differentiation is made in the leaflets between Jew and Zionist, inasmuch as Judaism was perceived as embracing Zionism.”[xvii]  As in all ideologies driven by Jew hatred, from Hitler to Hamas, where the Jew is the enemy, Judaism is the enemy. ...

https://www.howardblum.com/blog-posts/reza-shah-and-adolf-hitler-irans-history-with-the-third-reich
Reza Shah and Adolf Hitler: Iran’s History with the Third Reich

... In Night of the Assassins, I tell the true, better-than-fiction story of how Secret Service head Mike Reilly warded off an attack on Allied leaders by the world’s top assassins and the part that Iran’s leadership and top spies played in the political attack.

A passage from the book, “How can one explain the deep, mutual attraction between Reza Shah and Adolf Hitler?  Two strongmen, prone to fiery tirades, who held on to power with an unforgiving, take-no-prisoners vengeance? Two egotists hell-bent on realizing their personal ambitions under the pretense of the national interest? Two would-be dynastical rulers convinced their legacy would resonate for the next thousand years? Certainly, the commonalities ran deep…”

A bond between a predominantly Muslim nation and Hitler’s Third Reich may seem surprising, but Reza Shah’s determination made it possible. “Reza Shah proudly howled whenever he got the chance that his people were not lowly Semites like their Jewish or Arab neighbors, but pure-blooded Aryans – same as the Germans. He made sure the world got this message, too. In 1935 he issued a proclamation to the League of Nations that “henceforth” the country of Persia would be called Iran – the name reaching back in time to the country’s ancient roots and the Sanskrit phrase “Airyanem Vaejah,”  or “Home of the Aryans.”

In quick response, Germany bestowed their seal of racial purity on the kingdom: the pernicious Nuremberg Laws that had made anti-Semitism the law of the land, were amended.  Iranians, the Nazi’s racial nit-pickers formally adjudicated in 1936, were to be considered as Aryan as any full-blooded German. ...

[cato potatoe]

No... The name comes from the Romans, and was an intentional slur against the Jews after a revolt, 'reverting' the name back to the Roman rendition of 'Philistine' and 'Philistia'. Antisemitism then as now.

The name fell out of use rather quickly since it was a political gesture, and is nearly absent until after the Ottoman Empire... Coincident with the rise of Zionism and the establishment of Israel.

Historically, the land is named Canaan or Israel. 'Philistia' refers specifically to the area known as Gaza today, and not the region. It was a confederation of 5 cities: Ashdoid, Ashkelon, Gath, Gaza, and Ekron. Philistines were invaders that expanded by war across southern Canaan as far inland as Sodom and the cities of the Plain, but were stopped in their expansion, and beat back into the area of those 5 cities.

Ironic ain't it? And here you are, literally rooting for the Philistines. Invaders now, just like then.

I’m not rooting for anyone besides maybe certain brainwashed, genocidal “Christians” to undergo self reflection and develop empathy for people in other cultures. 

Palestine is not anti semitic.  The Middle East is full of people who are more semitic than your average ashkenazi.  Palestine is on maps going way back, and jews were a small presence for centuries after the diaspora.  The name Israel just happened to be settled on by the Jewish collective when the modern state was formed.  Other names in the debate included Zion and Judea. 

[DefiantMassRINO]

The word 'Palestine' does not have anti-semitic origin, but the Romans changed the name of 'Judea' to 'Palestine' in their campaign to ethnically cleanse the area of Jews.

So it does have historical anti-semitic application by those who seek to disassociate the land west of the River Jordan from its Jewish history and identity.

In the modern sense, 'Palestine' is a euphemism for the land west of the River Jordan free from any historcal, cultural, or religious association with Judaism.  Much like Hibernia is a reference to Ireland without association with Gaelic history, culture, and religion(s).

Use of such geographical eupehmisms verbally and intellectual can be used to extinguish ethnic, lingual, cultural, religious, historical identities and memory from present-day and from future consciousness.  Much like the Taliban and ISIS attempting to erase non-Islamic identity and history from the territories they controlled.  At worst, It's attempted ethnic cleansing of a people from collective intellect and memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine
Timeline of the name Palestine

... In the early 2nd century CE, the Roman province called Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina[a] following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE), the last of the major Jewish–Roman wars.[18][19] According to the prevailing scholarly view,[20] the name change was a punitive measure aimed at severing the symbolic and historical connection between the Jewish people and the land.[21][22][23] Unlike other Roman provincial renamings, this was a unique instance directly triggered by rebellion.[23][21] ...

[Right_in_Virginia]

This is a moronic statement.

'carpet bomb' and 'a tent' are diametrically opposed. 'Carpet bombing' is indiscriminate and area-wide destruction, with no aiming or intent whatsoever beyond the area specified. It's dropping a shit-ton of ordinance on a wide area.

To bomb 'a tent' requires very specific intention and very specific aim.

So which one is it? Because it cannot be both.

Fair enough.  Answer this:     Why choose to bomb a tent you know is filled with children when you have more efficient ways to make the kill you want?

[roamer_1]

Fair enough.  Answer this:     Why choose to bomb a tent you know is filled with children when you have more efficient ways to make the kill you want?

Bad intel/collateral damage/fog of war - Take your pick.

But more than likely, it's just propaganda from the same people who place their ammo dumps intentionally under hospitals - and then point a finger and scream 'Dem JOOOOS!!' when it gets taken out.

That type of thing has forever made ANY information coming out of 'Palestinians' questionable... and that is being kind.

[Cyber Liberty]

Bad intel/collateral damage/fog of war - Take your pick.

But more than likely, it's just propaganda from the same people who place their ammo dumps intentionally under hospitals - and then point a finger and scream 'Dem JOOOOS!!' when it gets taken out.

That type of thing has forever made ANY information coming out of 'Palestinians' questionable... and that is being kind.

We still have people who still believe that BS Hamas supplied figure of 17,000 in the title of this thread.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Bad intel/collateral damage/fog of war - Take your pick.

But more than likely, it's just propaganda from the same people who place their ammo dumps intentionally under hospitals - and then point a finger and scream 'Dem JOOOOS!!' when it gets taken out.

That type of thing has forever made ANY information coming out of 'Palestinians' questionable... and that is being kind.

Actually, Netanyahu and the IDF are the ones who publicly blame Hamas when their rockets and bombs kill women and children.  They don't deny bombing the school , or the shelter, or the hospital or the mosque ... they blame Hamas for making them do it by storing weapons nearby or allowing a male older than 10 to walk around in the area. 

My question is:  Doesn't the best trained and best armed military in the world have the wherewithal to hit their target but spare the toddlers. --- maybe with a new,  new-fangled pager?  Haven't they had enough practice?

[roamer_1]

Actually, Netanyahu and the IDF are the ones who publicly blame Hamas when their rockets and bombs kill women and children.  They don't deny bombing the school , or the shelter, or the hospital or the mosque ... they blame Hamas for making them do it by storing weapons nearby or allowing a male older than 10 to walk around in the area. 

My question is:  Doesn't the best trained and best armed military in the world have the wherewithal to hit their target but spare the toddlers. --- maybe with a new,  new-fangled pager?  Haven't they had enough practice?

You have a very, very naive view of war. War is about killing people and breaking things. It is always, always messy. Always heart breaking. Always destructive and indiscriminate by its very nature. There is no high-fallutin clean way to success in war. There will be collateral damage. There will be death. That's what it's for.

Are there precision means? Sometimes, yes... A sniper's bullet can be very accurate. We can drop a missile down a smokestack... But that is the exception, not the rule.

[Bigun]

You have a very, very naive view of war. War is about killing people and breaking things. It is always, always messy. Always heart breaking. Always destructive and indiscriminate by its very nature. There is no high-fallutin clean way to success in war. There will be collateral damage. There will be death. That's what it's for.

Are there precision means? Sometimes, yes... A sniper's bullet can be very accurate. We can drop a missile down a smokestack... But that is the exception, not the rule.

Especially when you hide behind those you claim to love as these animals routinely do.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Especially when you hide behind those you claim to love as these animals routinely do.

I'm not saying Hamas doesn't do this ⬆️  @Bigun   I am questioning why Israel continues to drop bombs and shoot missiles where they know children are in harms way. 

Is Israel incapable of coming up with a Plan B?  Or is it possible they still think the "bad Hamas using human shields" mantra continues to carry the day? 

[Cyber Liberty]

Actually, Netanyahu and the IDF are the ones who publicly blame Hamas when their rockets and bombs kill women and children.  They don't deny bombing the school , or the shelter, or the hospital or the mosque ... they blame Hamas for making them do it by storing weapons nearby or allowing a male older than 10 to walk around in the area. 

My question is:  Doesn't the best trained and best armed military in the world have the wherewithal to hit their target but spare the toddlers. --- maybe with a new,  new-fangled pager?  Haven't they had enough practice?

My question for you is:  Do you believe the number of casualties supplied by Hamas?  Why?  They have lied about that every step of the way so far. 

[Hoodat]

My question for you is:  Do you believe the number of casualties supplied by Hamas?  Why?

Because it makes the J-O-O-S look bad.

[Wingnut]

Most people don't give AF about hamas or the dieing Palestinians.  Maybe the dieing should make a deal.  Dieing is no way to live.

[roamer_1]

Dieing is no way to live.

That was deep, man... Even for you.

[roamer_1]

Especially when you hide behind those you claim to love as these animals routinely do.

Over, and over, and over, and over again... Knowing dang full well what they will make Israel commit. And then playing the media to gain the sympathy of idiots.

[Wingnut]

That was deep, man... Even for you.

sometimes  a muslum has to know there limitations

[roamer_1]

I'm not saying Hamas doesn't do this ⬆️  @Bigun   I am questioning why Israel continues to drop bombs and shoot missiles where they know children are in harms way. 

Is Israel incapable of coming up with a Plan B?  Or is it possible they still think the "bad Hamas using human shields" mantra continues to carry the day?

Click your heels Dorothy. You're not in Kansas anymore. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

My question for you is:  Do you believe the number of casualties supplied by Hamas?  Why?  They have lied about that every step of the way so far.

Your question honestly confuses me.  Why does the total number of dead children matter in a discussion about how to prevent more from being killed?  Is there an acceptable number of dead children?

[txradioguy]

Especially when you hide behind those you claim to love as these animals routinely do.

Bingo!

[roamer_1]

sometimes  a muslum has to know there limitations

Did you squinch your eyes a bit while you delivered that Dirty Harry quote? 

[Wingnut]

Your question honestly confuses me.  Why does the total number of dead children matter in a discussion about how to prevent more from being killed?  Is there an acceptable number of dead children?

Kill  them all. Problem solved.  The eccaptable number is moot.

[Wingnut]

Did you squinch your eyes a bit while you delivered that Dirty Harry quote? 

A tad.

[Bigun]

I'm not saying Hamas doesn't do this ⬆️  @Bigun   I am questioning why Israel continues to drop bombs and shoot missiles where they know children are in harms way. 

Is Israel incapable of coming up with a Plan B?  Or is it possible they still think the "bad Hamas using human shields" mantra continues to carry the day?

Did you read my post in context with what I was replying to? @Right_in_Virginia

If you do that you should be able to grasp what is being said here. 

[Bigun]

Over, and over, and over, and over again... Knowing dang full well what they will make Israel commit. And then playing the media to gain the sympathy of idiots.

And the media dutifully complies.

[Bigun]

Your question honestly confuses me.  Why does the total number of dead children matter in a discussion about how to prevent more from being killed?  Is there an acceptable number of dead children?

Jesus H. Christ @Right_in_Virginia ! The answer is as plain as day! STOP using innocents as shields and you will get far fewer of them DEAD!

[Wingnut]

Jesus H. Christ @Right_in_Virginia ! The answer is as plain as day! STOP using innocents as shields and you will get far fewer of them DEAD!

Amen.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Did you read my post in context with what I was replying to? @Right_in_Virginia

If you do that you should be able to grasp what is being said here. 

I thought I had @Bigun   

Since at least the war in 2014, when Israel was forced to defend the number of Palestinian children killed, Israel has been telling the world those deaths are the fault of Hamas ... they keep storing weapons and hiding terrorists among children.  Of course they do, the world knows this.

Hamas started this years ago counting on Israel's humanity not to attack where children are, but Israel kept replying with "hold my beer".  Now Hamas uses the same strategy to goad Israel into showing the world the IDF has no problem killing children. 

Best trained, most moral, smartest military in the world, my a$$.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jesus H. Christ @Right_in_Virginia ! The answer is as plain as day! STOP using innocents as shields and you will get far fewer of them DEAD!

Hamas uses children as shields, Israel shoots directly at the shields knowing who they are  ----  Who's the bigger monster @Bigun ?

[Smokin Joe]

You need to explain this ⬆️ to me.

Since Israel is aware of their enemy's strategy, why go ahead and drop 20 pound bombs on children? 

The IDF is the most moral, best trained army in the world and can kill a selected person through a pager and shoot a missle through a picket fence hundreds of miles away and hit the target. 

Why choose to bomb a tent you know is filled with children when you have more efficient ways to make the kill you want?

Because the tunnels under the tent contain the enemy, their weapons, their ordnance. The tunnel complexes in Gaza are now no secret.

The children, the hospitals, the schoolyards the rockets are launched from use the civilians as human shields. Beneath that lurk the combatants, the workshops that create the rockets, the magazines that house them.

It's the same as the ChiCom troops marching Korean vilagers in front of their ranks, with one exception: These are their own people, their own children, their own hospitals.

I guess that's what happens when you only have a couple hundred hostages to pass around to hide behind.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm not saying Hamas doesn't do this ⬆️  @Bigun   I am questioning why Israel continues to drop bombs and shoot missiles where they know children are in harms way. 

Is Israel incapable of coming up with a Plan B?  Or is it possible they still think the "bad Hamas using human shields" mantra continues to carry the day?

Hamas shoots rockets knowing full well that civilians will be in harms way. They attacked a concert knowing there would be young people there. They murdered babies in their cribs. Do you think for a second that Israel thinks "Oh, my! We can't shoot because those terrorists are holding a baby!"?

War is ugly. Some people make it uglier by involving noncombatants (even their own) intentionally, When the noncombatants are the enemy's we call that "terrorism". When the noncombatants are "friendly" and get killed, they call CNN, the UN, Reuters, AP, and Al Jazeera, among others--even though they put them in harms' way for propaganda purposes.

Should they and those putting them in that position be spared to let them not only continue to be terrorists, but to teach the babies they are holding to be good little terrorists, too?

Like that former machine gunner said, you tried not to hit the villagers, but you had to stop the troops behind them or they would kill you.