We Need Clear Heads, And A Plan, About Epstein-Gate

[mystery-ak]

July 15, 2025
We Need Clear Heads, And A Plan, About Epstein-Gate
By Julian R. Sinclair

Over 90% of the responses and discussion about the way the Trump Administration has mishandled the Epstein documents and records have been emotional, vitriolic, or filled with outrage. I can understand why and agree to a large degree: What Jeffrey Epstein did, likely with the approval (if not outright endorsement) of Western intelligence agencies, was a crime against humanity. However, it is in these moments when faced with immense evil that we must proceed with clear heads and not react emotionally.

It speaks well to our side that, unlike the four years in which Biden did not release the Epstein documents, there is a collective rage from the right at the Trump administration’s gross mishandling (some would argue outright cover-up, but I doubt this) of the case. Unlike the Democrats, we demand and hold our leaders accountable, even when it might hurt us. That is because our side actually believes in justice and accountability, even when it is not convenient for us.

However, we should avoid demanding resignations unilaterally, getting angry, or shouting “Damn the consequences, release it all!” None of us who aren’t in the Trump administration really have all the facts, and even if we did, those responses would be based on emotional outrage and not good sense, or even blind justice.

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[libertybele]

Our side believes in justice and accountability?  That's almost laughable.  Certainly Bondi isn't pushing for accountability or justice, and on this issue neither is Trump and then we have some GOP Senators who have voted against justice and accountability as well.

No of course we don't have all the facts.  That 'list' would have helped and doubtful now that's going to ever happen.

This has turned into nothing more than a black mark against the GOP that the DEMS will fully use.

[MeganC]

Just saying:

Even if Epstein himself did not have a client list then such a list can still be compiled from numerous sources such as Ghislane Maxwell, cell phone records held by the NSA, Border & Customs records, and etc.

Maxwell was not Epstein's only employee. There were others. Who did they see?

[Smokin Joe]

Bondi's most grave sin in all of this is to place high expectations of swift and sure justice on the hottest of hot-button issues.

That's a PR thing.

While there may be a host of reasons to not issue any names while cases are being built, (because to fail means huge lawsuits and rolling heads all over), and perhaps to maintain leverage gained from specific intel on certain players, the disappointment over hyped expectation is the greatest enemy she faces.

This issue (pedophilia) is the hottest hot button, the issue we can all (except perverts) agree needs to be addressed. It is the most fundamental of human instincts to protect the young of the species from any and all predators--including human ones.
Add in that it is focused on the rich and powerful (or otherwise, they'd have been flashing kids in the park), and the goal gets even more visceral.

If the FBI can chase down ordinary J6ers like it did for walking into a public building (or even being on the grounds), surely it is capable of ferreting out enough to build cases against the Island's offenders. But with reductions in force (getting rid of those most likely to sabotage or leak progress on virtually anything important), and a host of other more nationally existential problems at hand, this may be getting pushed off the front page, to get breathing room for cases to be developed and to deal with threats that exist today that are greater in scope nationally, even if those do not take the forefront in our instincts.

Keep in mind that the offenders will not escape their pasts, that ultimately, I believe that we all face that Day of Judgement before The Throne, and patience may yet yield true justice, without requiring all of the resources of a DOJ that is fighting a multifront conflict against forces of evil.

I would like to see the perp walks commence.
For all the investigating going, on I'm impatient to see defendants in the courtroom.
Actions speak louder than words.

In the meantime, the DOJ is involved in 303 active litigation cases, including those at SCOTUS where a run of wins has been going on.https://www.lawfaremedia.org/projects-series/trials-of-the-trump-administration/tracking-trump-administration-litigation

While it is at the forefront of our hearts, and doubtless is difficult for those who were victims*, there is a lot else going on.

*Keep in mind that for those who have overcome this part of their past, who have moved on and would like to forget it, this might involve reopening wounds that they would prefer be left alone. Those victims might not want to come forward and testify, especially considering the power wielded by those who were perpetrators, and that's without considering any 'hush money' deals made in the interim. I would wager that no two victims would react the same to the situation being revealed. Some might write salacious tell-all books, others will desperately seek the cloak of anonymity, just wanting that past to fade away. Ultimately, there a lot more moving parts involved than just those who broke the law and the law itself.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Just saying:

Even if Epstein himself did not have a client list then such a list can still be compiled from numerous sources such as Ghislane Maxwell, cell phone records held by the NSA, Border & Customs records, and etc.

  

A list made out of whole cloth.  American jurisprudence at its finest ---- destroying the falsely accused.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia

Anyone who rapes kids deserves the death penalty.

Here's the problem with the Epstein mess:

The FBI doesn't have the evidence many thought it did.
There are not tapes with powerful men raping kids.
There is not a list.
(Epstein's rolodex is already public.)

And the file is largely unreleasable, for many reasons including:

1. Grand-jury materials
2. Court records under seal
3. Child pornography
4. Protection of victims
5. Unsubstantiated, even double- or triple-hearsay, bogus claims (like we saw during the Kavanaugh proceedings), which would permanently destroy the reputation of innocent people if released

Does anyone really believe Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, or Dan Bongino would cover up for the likes of Bill Clinton or Bill Gates--if they had that evidence?

The Trump Justice Department wanted to be fully transparent. But it can't, for the reasons above. This is a case of no good deed goes unpunished.

This is no doubt unsatisfying to many. But that's the hard truth.


12:44 PM · Jul 13, 2025

Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia

Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure generally makes it (very) illegal for government attorneys to disclose grand-jury materials: https://law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6

Grand juries are secret to protect victims, encourage witnesses to testify, and protect the falsely accused.

1:32 PM · Jul 13, 2025

[MeganC]

 

A list made out of whole cloth.  American jurisprudence at its finest ---- destroying the falsely accused.

"Whole cloth"?

Ghislane Maxwell damn well knows who her clients were.

The NSA damn well knows whose cell phones traveled to Epstein's sites.

Border and Customs damn well knows who flew on Epstein's planes.

And Pam Bondi damn well knows who the child molesters are in the videos she's been caught talking about.