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'We're going to lose': Steve Bannon warns withholding Epstein files would doom GOP

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July 12, 2025

Former White House adviser Steve Bannon warned on Friday that Republicans would suffer major losses if President Donald Trump's administration does not move to release documents related to deceased pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and associations.

Axios reported on Sunday that a two-page memo showed the Department Of Justice (DOJ) and FBI found no evidence Epstein kept a "client list" or was murdered, but public doubts have continued. Bannon said on "Bannon's War Room" that failure to release information would lead to the dissipation of one-tenth of the Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement and significant losses for the Republican Party in the 2026 midterms and the 2028 presidential election.

"It's not about just a pedophile ring and all that, it's about who governs us, right? And that's why it's not going to go away … For this to go away, you're going to lose 10% of the MAGA movement," Bannon said. "If we lose 10% of the MAGA movement right now, we're going to lose 40 seats in '26, we're going to lose the [presidency]. They don't even have to steal it, which they're going to try to do in '28, because they're going to sit there and they go, 'They've disheartened the hardest-core populist nationalists' — that's always been who governs us."

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   Why won't he publish the 10-hour interview he did with Epstein in 2015, when he was head @ Breitbart?
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Has Bannon always been this nuts?

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Bannon is right. The GOP will pay a price unless the promise of transparency is kept.
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author=MeganC link=topic=564368.msg3194857#msg3194857 date=1752377921]
Bannon is right. The GOP will pay a price unless the promise of transparency is kept.
Yes, you are right.

With the shortfalls of the BBBB in cutting costs, the stumbling blocks erected by virtually any street corner Justice of the Peace or appointed minion, and the media claiming removing illegals is cruel and pushing revolution in the streets, this is the straw on the Camel's Back of credibility that just might break it.

From J6 to COVID to Ukraine to 'saving trillions' the Administration is falling short of the mark--a mark set by itself, for itself.
But after two quarters, I think we've found the worst bottleneck, aside from the wild-eyed ones in black robes on the street corner bench wearing the virtual sandwich board that reads The world is going to END on one side and AntiMAGA injunctions: $5 on the other.

We're still waiting for the orange jumpsuit parade, and far from the flood of the shackled seditious and corrupt, from common criminal to the quite uncommon, aside from illegals being removed at a pace that will barely keep up with their self-replication rate, It's starting to look like the same ol' 'promise the the moon and stars and feed them shit by the shovelful' program, just GOP SNAFU LITE served up with a hearty side dose of MAGA rhetoric and red hats.

Welcome to 2017 2.0

If you are part of this administration:

You are where you are because we were sick and tired of this crap.
We're tired of street level tantrums and chimp outs, of looting, ANTIFA, and boardroom bullshit (which is just looting at a whole 'nother level--Billions of dollars instead of trendy bottles and overpriced sweatshop rags). We hired you all to end the crap.

We were made promises, and we are people who believe the real value of any Man or Woman lies ultimately in how well they keep their word. I have done five figure deals on a handshake. No paperwork needed among real Men. Real Men keep their word, and real Women do, too.

The client list represents the "elites" who have been getting away with murder while one of us 'mere mortals' would have been virtually drawn and quartered over the things we are pretty sure have been done.

Isn't it obvious?

This is the Right's version of "Hate the Rich", only it is reserved for those of the wealthy and powerful who have committed crimes. The worse the crime, the deeper, more visceral the hate-for the deed, if not the individual, and there is no crime worse than pedophilia in most hearts, unless it is surgically carving kids up and calling it "trans'.

We have even come to be somewhat desensitized to the slaughter of babies in the womb, but having sex with those underage clearly crosses the line of departure from mere criminal to monster.

We know (or at least strongly suspect) some of the players, known horndogs, and rumored perverts, but we were promised a list of powerful perverts, we were promised they would be exposed, and perhaps even prosecuted, if not in court, then in the court of Public Opinion.

...and now it looks as if that opening for transparency is zipping itself closed from within with not so much as a by your leave from the people who promised to expose it.

Either we were played and there is no list (never was) and you lied about having it....
... or there is a list and you are lying saying there isn't.


What you DO NOT seem to get is this.

Yes, President Trump won handily.

That is the PAST.

We were made promises.
We expect you all to keep all of them,
not because we are the naive suckers of previous elections,
but because when you made those promises you knew we are sick and tired of being lied to.
Because after COVID we do not blindly trust any of you people, at any level, to do what you have said you would,
and you know that we know when you are lying to us.


DO WHAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO.
ENOUGH BULLSHIT,
NO HALF MEASURES,
WE EXPECT IT.
WE WILL NOT FORGET.


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Has Bannon always been this nuts?
You didn't notice until he was against your guy. Because in your eyes, your guy can do no wrong. Take off the blinders.
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You didn't notice until he was against your guy. Because in your eyes, your guy can do no wrong. Take off the blinders.

Bannon's frequently been at odds with Trump through the years.  He was simply more rational than he is now.

BTW, @jmyrlefuller  Pease stop posting replies that are aimed at me personally and in a very derogatory way.  Feel free to ignore me.

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Bannon is right. The GOP will pay a price unless the promise of transparency is kept.

Does this please you?

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[quote author=MeganC link=topic=564368.msg3194857#msg3194857 date=1752377921]
Bannon is right. The GOP will pay a price unless the promise of transparency is kept.
Yes, you are right.


In 2028 one political Party will die.


I think the DEM party died along with Harris.  That leaves the GOP.  I'm not so sure that this lack of transparency will be enough to crush the GOP.  If so, it will likely happen during the mid terms, leaving the door open for a DEM comeback in '28.

Pence has already voiced support for Musk's American party.  Count me out.





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Does this please you?

What pleases me is when people don't lie to me. Trump did not have to promise to make the Epstein files public. Yet he did. Now I expect him to keep his promise. I will allow some time for him to come around on this.

But he made a promise and that promise is not negotiable.
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In addition to my previous response I'd like to state my irritation at your proclivity to make things personal. I will ask you not to do this with me again.
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In addition to my previous response I'd like to state my irritation at your proclivity to make things personal. I will ask you not to do this with me again.

She has a proclivity for jew hate.  But on other things she is not wrong.  I wish she would stop her Hamas love.
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Yes, you are right.

With the shortfalls of the BBBB in cutting costs, the stumbling blocks erected by virtually any street corner Justice of the Peace or appointed minion, and the media claiming removing illegals is cruel and pushing revolution in the streets, this is the straw on the Camel's Back of credibility that just might break it.

From J6 to COVID to Ukraine to 'saving trillions' the Administration is falling short of the mark--a mark set by itself, for itself.
But after two quarters, I think we've found the worst bottleneck, aside from the wild-eyed ones in black robes on the street corner bench wearing the virtual sandwich board that reads The world is going to END on one side and AntiMAGA injunctions: $5 on the other.

We're still waiting for the orange jumpsuit parade, and far from the flood of the shackled seditious and corrupt, from common criminal to the quite uncommon, aside from illegals being removed at a pace that will barely keep up with their self-replication rate, It's starting to look like the same ol' 'promise the the moon and stars and feed them shit by the shovelful' program, just GOP SNAFU LITE served up with a hearty side dose of MAGA rhetoric and red hats.

Welcome to 2017 2.0

If you are part of this administration:

You are where you are because we were sick and tired of this crap.
We're tired of street level tantrums and chimp outs, of looting, ANTIFA, and boardroom bullshit (which is just looting at a whole 'nother level--Billions of dollars instead of trendy bottles and overpriced sweatshop rags). We hired you all to end the crap.

We were made promises, and we are people who believe the real value of any Man or Woman lies ultimately in how well they keep their word. I have done five figure deals on a handshake. No paperwork needed among real Men. Real Men keep their word, and real Women do, too.

The client list represents the "elites" who have been getting away with murder while one of us 'mere mortals' would have been virtually drawn and quartered over the things we are pretty sure have been done.

Isn't it obvious?

This is the Right's version of "Hate the Rich", only it is reserved for those of the wealthy and powerful who have committed crimes. The worse the crime, the deeper, more visceral the hate-for the deed, if not the individual, and there is no crime worse than pedophilia in most hearts, unless it is surgically carving kids up and calling it "trans'.

We have even come to be somewhat desensitized to the slaughter of babies in the womb, but having sex with those underage clearly crosses the line of departure from mere criminal to monster.

We know (or at least strongly suspect) some of the players, known horndogs, and rumored perverts, but we were promised a list of powerful perverts, we were promised they would be exposed, and perhaps even prosecuted, if not in court, then in the court of Public Opinion.

...and now it looks as if that opening for transparency is zipping itself closed from within with not so much as a by your leave from the people who promised to expose it.

Either we were played and there is no list (never was) and you lied about having it....
... or there is a list and you are lying saying there isn't.


What you DO NOT seem to get is this.

Yes, President Trump won handily.

That is the PAST.

We were made promises.
We expect you all to keep all of them,
not because we are the naive suckers of previous elections,
but because when you made those promises you knew we are sick and tired of being lied to.
Because after COVID we do not blindly trust any of you people, at any level, to do what you have said you would,
and you know that we know when you are lying to us.


DO WHAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO.
ENOUGH BULLSHIT,
NO HALF MEASURES,
WE EXPECT IT.
WE WILL NOT FORGET.


In 2028 one political Party will die.


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In addition to my previous response I'd like to state my irritation at your proclivity to make things personal. I will ask you not to do this with me again.

(Thanks for proving you read all of my posts, I'm flattered  :laugh: )

Back to your plagerized comment:  I wasn't trying to make things personal, although I can understand how you could feel that way.  I asked if it pleases you that the GOP will lose because in the short time you've been here you've been all over the place politically.  I have no idea if you're Republican, democrat or something else entirely, so I keep looking for clues. Only death by war seems to hold your unwavering support.   :shrug:

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She has a proclivity for jew hate.  But on other things she is not wrong.  I wish she would stop her Hamas love.

@Wingnut  Again, Benjamin Netanyahu is not the only Jew in Israel, or the world for that matter.  So, me despising the Bibi is not "Jew hate", it's Netanyahu hate.  No other soul has done the long-term damage to Israel and her people than that monster.  Sorry, I'm not sorry.  Israelis deserve better --- much better.

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DO WHAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO.

I don't know quite how to tell you this @Smokin Joe but the overwhelming majority of his voters are (still) very happy with the President.  He has already kept many of the promises he actually campaigned on and the reasons the majority voted for him.  The mood among his supporters is enthusiastic and optimistic.

Whether for good or not, in Nov 2024, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't on the radar.  This cause célèbre is ringing neither true nor necessary.  :shrug:

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I don't know quite how to tell you this @Smokin Joe but the overwhelming majority of his voters are (still) very happy with the President.  He has already kept many of the promises he actually campaigned on and the reasons the majority voted for him.  The mood among his supporters is enthusiastic and optimistic.

Whether for good or not, in Nov 2024, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't on the radar.  This cause célèbre is ringing neither true nor necessary.  :shrug:
Apparently your radar covers a different area than mine. Maybe we should wait for next week's poll, or see if the poovalanche only goes toward Bondi (who has been racking up decisions at the SCOTUS at an unheard of rate). Someone higher up made this choice and left her holding a bag like Al Capone's vault...empty.

Mine is located a few miles from the geographical center of the continent and gets far better 'flyover country' coverage. On the election map, that's from the Canadian border to the Mexican Border, The big 'red' strip on the election maps, year after year.

You can bet your pointy heeled cow-pie punchers that Epstein was and remains on the 'radar'. People out this way still see their children as their future, not an accessory to be trotted out and stuffed away or warehoused all day, but highly valued progeny. The notion of sexual predators on the loose brings out the ass kicking spirit of any man worth the title, not to mention the 'mama bear' in their mothers.
Maybe there's still some of that on the coasts, between ducking rival gangs and the occasional community shoot-outs.

A promise is a promise, and folks out this way know it's bad juju (not to mention a reputation-killer) to make a promise you can't or won't keep. The funny part is that you think it matters whether he made the promise from the campaign stump. There is no special dispensation for lying to us from behind a microphone on the Campaign trail, and there is no making America Great (or Healthy) Again without ridding this nation of that scourge.

Granted, in my dealings with bicoastal culture, I have noticed that a person's word often isn't worth the paper the contract is printed on, but people out here still see it as the measure of your worth.

It isn't the promises kept that people will remember, not any more than people have a tendency to fill out complaint forms with glowing praise.

It is the ones not kept, especially on issues viscerally and emotionally charged as someone's 'little girl' getting her bones jumped by a bunch of 'elites' and cast aside like a worn dishrag when they are done with her (or just disappeared). Of the 11 species of shark in the Virgin Islands, two have been known to attack live humans, who knows what free meals they'd accept in a more inert state?
Every daddy out here with a daughter and most even without, will get steamed at the thought. Some have acted on those accused of that very sort of thing, to the detriment of the concepts of a 'fair trial' or 'due process', and without regard for 'cruel and unusual punishment' for perpetrators. As for disappearing, well there may have been some of that, too, but no one is talking about that, nor will they. More than one offender has been caught in flagrante delicto, and their demise ruled 'self defense of a helpless third party', or simply never charged.

Here's a guy who ran a wholesale operation, likely involving heads of state, royalty, (something we fought to rid ourselves of 250 years ago), and the 'rich and powerful' doing their sexual fantasy thing on underage girls and likely boys. Maybe some consented as much as they were able (which would not be legal because of their age), maybe they were in over their head and naive, but the predator is the one to blame, and all who fed on the carcass.

So yeah, we're not going to forget.

Where are the trillions in cuts?

Between judges and Congress sweeping in behind EOs, most of the budget cuts have been back filled or reinstated. There is some real progress, sure, but read the fine print. No wonder Musk found better things to do if he was wasting his time sorting out money trails and targets for cuts.

The FDA just okayed this: The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (2024-2025 Formula) is authorized for all doses administered to individuals 6 months through 11 years of age to prevent COVID-19.
It's an mRNA shot.
Really? Please, not that 'safe and effective' stuff again.

A lot of promises have been made. But the Epstein list is a biggie, prominent among other biggies.

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Apparently your radar covers a different area than mine. Maybe we should wait for next week's poll, or see if the poovalanche only goes toward Bondi (who has been racking up decisions at the SCOTUS at an unheard of rate). Someone higher up made this choice and left her holding a bag like Al Capone's vault...empty.

Mine is located a few miles from the geographical center of the continent and gets far better 'flyover country' coverage. On the election map, that's from the Canadian border to the Mexican Border, The big 'red' strip on the election maps, year after year.

You can bet your pointy heeled cow-pie punchers that Epstein was and remains on the 'radar'. People out this way still see their children as their future, not an accessory to be trotted out and stuffed away or warehoused all day, but highly valued progeny. The notion of sexual predators on the loose brings out the ass kicking spirit of any man worth the title, not to mention the 'mama bear' in their mothers.
Maybe there's still some of that on the coasts, between ducking rival gangs and the occasional community shoot-outs.

A promise is a promise, and folks out this way know it's bad juju (not to mention a reputation-killer) to make a promise you can't or won't keep. The funny part is that you think it matters whether he made the promise from the campaign stump. There is no special dispensation for lying to us from behind a microphone on the Campaign trail, and there is no making America Great (or Healthy) Again without ridding this nation of that scourge.

Granted, in my dealings with bicoastal culture, I have noticed that a person's word often isn't worth the paper the contract is printed on, but people out here still see it as the measure of your worth.

It isn't the promises kept that people will remember, not any more than people have a tendency to fill out complaint forms with glowing praise.

It is the ones not kept, especially on issues viscerally and emotionally charged as someone's 'little girl' getting her bones jumped by a bunch of 'elites' and cast aside like a worn dishrag when they are done with her (or just disappeared). Of the 11 species of shark in the Virgin Islands, two have been known to attack live humans, who knows what free meals they'd accept in a more inert state?
Every daddy out here with a daughter and most even without, will get steamed at the thought. Some have acted on those accused of that very sort of thing, to the detriment of the concepts of a 'fair trial' or 'due process', and without regard for 'cruel and unusual punishment' for perpetrators. As for disappearing, well there may have been some of that, too, but no one is talking about that, nor will they. More than one offender has been caught in flagrante delicto, and their demise ruled 'self defense of a helpless third party', or simply never charged.

Here's a guy who ran a wholesale operation, likely involving heads of state, royalty, (something we fought to rid ourselves of 250 years ago), and the 'rich and powerful' doing their sexual fantasy thing on underage girls and likely boys. Maybe some consented as much as they were able (which would not be legal because of their age), maybe they were in over their head and naive, but the predator is the one to blame, and all who fed on the carcass.

So yeah, we're not going to forget.

Where are the trillions in cuts?

Between judges and Congress sweeping in behind EOs, most of the budget cuts have been back filled or reinstated. There is some real progress, sure, but read the fine print. No wonder Musk found better things to do if he was wasting his time sorting out money trails and targets for cuts.

The FDA just okayed this: The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (2024-2025 Formula) is authorized for all doses administered to individuals 6 months through 11 years of age to prevent COVID-19.
It's an mRNA shot.
Really? Please, not that 'safe and effective' stuff again.

A lot of promises have been made. But the Epstein list is a biggie, prominent among other biggies.

Nope.

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Anyone who rapes kids deserves the death penalty.

Here's the problem with the Eipstein mess:

The FBI doesn't have the evidence many thought it did.
There are not tapes with powerful men raping kids.
There is not a list.
(Eipstein's rolodex is already public.)

And the file is largely unreleasable, for many reasons including:

1. Grand-jury materials
2. Court records under seal
3. Child pornography
4. Protection of victims
5. Unsubstantiated, even double- or triple-hearsay, bogus claims (like we saw during the Kavanaugh proceedings), which would permanently destroy the reputation of innocent people if released

Does anyone really believe Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, or Dan Bongino would cover up for the likes of Bill Clinton or Bill Gates--if they had that evidence?

The Trump Justice Department wanted to be fully transparent. But it can't, for the reasons above. This is a case of no good deed goes unpunished. This is no doubt unsatisfying to many. But that's the hard truth.
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I guess I would want to know before pursuing this is:

1) Who is left to prosecute?

2) Can they be or is the statute of limitations up?

3) What are the fallout and consequences if this is a Mossad op, i.e. would it destabilize the Bibi govt?

4) If we go after this, the juice better be worth the squeeze, and we get something real for it. Getting the Clinton's might be worth it, if we can get them, but we better be sure before we take a swing.
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I guess I would want to know before pursuing this is:

1) Who is left to prosecute?

2) Can they be or is the statute of limitations up?

3) What are the fallout and consequences if this is a Mossad op, i.e. would it destabilize the Bibi govt?

4) If we go after this, the juice better be worth the squeeze, and we get something real for it. Getting the Clinton's might be worth it, if we can get them, but we better be sure before we take a swing.

My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.

Now... how hard would it be to slip a Quaalude type downer into an unsuspecting guest's drink?

Epstein has paid his penance with his life.  The girls have all moved on to something different.

Yet everybody insists that the men showing up in single videos are all guilty.

Guilty of what?  Stupidity?
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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.

Now... how hard would it be to slip a Quaalude type downer into an unsuspecting guest's drink?

Epstein has paid his penance with his life.  The girls have all moved on to something different.

Yet everybody insists that the men showing up in single videos are all guilty.

Guilty of what?  Stupidity?

And that brings up another point - if we expose the Johns, we expose the girls, and they get to live it all again and be under spotlight level scrutiny.

I'm not saying yes or no, just saying it better be well thought thru before anyone pulls the trigger to let it come out.
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I guess I would want to know before pursuing this is:

1) Who is left to prosecute?

2) Can they be or is the statute of limitations up?

3) What are the fallout and consequences if this is a Mossad op, i.e. would it destabilize the Bibi govt?

4) If we go after this, the juice better be worth the squeeze, and we get something real for it. Getting the Clinton's might be worth it, if we can get them, but we better be sure before we take a swing.
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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.
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A lot of promises have been made. But the Epstein list is a biggie, prominent among other biggies.


YEP. YEP to every_single_word of the whole dang thing. Good post.

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  any New York resident would be subject to prosecution under the Child Victims Act. That would include Chappaqua's favorite sons, the Clintons.

Which brings up another point - is there anything Federal here to prosecute? Cause you know New Yawk ain't gonna do it.
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The screaming mimis care about this, nobody else does really. Trump is right imo.

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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.

Did you root for the owners of Pleasure Island (ironically also called Boobyland) in Pinocchio? There is a reason a moral society does not give free reign to kids, they make stupid life decisions. I made a few myself, perhaps not of this magnitude. Perhaps Jiminy Cricket giving out warnings was doomed to be trumped by "I know best what is best for me" from a 16y/o girl with brains of mush.

I honestly think some here would be in the market for cheap donkeys if it protected Trumpland.
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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.



Some of these girls were supposedly 12 or 13.  Do you really believe what you wrote?
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The screaming mimis care about this, nobody else does really. Trump is right imo.

REALLY? If this is as advertised, the azzoles get a pass? Who cares? REALLY?

This is precisely because of allowed abortion. It has so lessened the value of life that we as a nation meet children caught up in a major sex ring with apathy. DAMN. If we will not protect the most innocent among us... Then this union has damned itself to perdition.

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(Thanks for proving you read all of my posts, I'm flattered  :laugh: )

Back to your plagerized comment:  I wasn't trying to make things personal, although I can understand how you could feel that way.  I asked if it pleases you that the GOP will lose because in the short time you've been here you've been all over the place politically.  I have no idea if you're Republican, democrat or something else entirely, so I keep looking for clues. Only death by war seems to hold your unwavering support.   :shrug:

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I asked if it pleases you that the GOP will lose because in the short time you've been here you've been all over the place politically.

I am a Constitutionalist conservative who happens to be a Republican. I have libertarian leanings to the extent that I yearn for the America that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about. A nation in which the average person was barely aware of government on a day to day basis.

I chafe at abusive law enforcement having experienced it at length in California. The LEO I run into in Wyoming are much better but on occasion even they lean into authoritarianism. I worry for the future that too many Americans are accepting of European levels of authoritarianism from government.

The whole thing with cops and their fetish for inappropriately demanding ID and demanding that people defer to them revolts me. We need police to protect us from such bullshit, not to enforce it.

I also hate bullies in general and on principle.
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Some of these girls were supposedly 12 or 13.  Do you really believe what you wrote?

Have NEVER heard of there being little girls  "...12 or 13". 
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Have NEVER heard of there being little girls  "...12 or 13".

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-witness-girls-virgin-islands
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/16/797011139/u-s-virgin-islands-officials-epstein-trafficked-girls-on-private-island-until-20
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-victims-girls-virgin-islands-lawsuit-trafficking-a9285536.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/lawsuit-claims-jeffrey-epstein-trafficked-girls-us-virgin/story?id=68306311
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/jeffrey-epsteins-sexual-abuses-began-by-1985-targeted-13-year-old-lawsuit-cla-idUSKBN1Y72K4/[[url=http://[url]https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-victims-age-virgin-islands]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/jeffrey-epsteins-sexual-abuses-began-by-1985-targeted-13-year-old-lawsuit-cla-idUSKBN1Y72K4/[[url]
[url]https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-victims-age-virgin-islands]
[url]https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-victims-age-virgin-islands]https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/jeffrey-epsteins-sexual-abuses-began-by-1985-targeted-13-year-old-lawsuit-cla-idUSKBN1Y72K4/[[url]
[url]https://www.frontpagedetectives.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-victims-age-virgin-islands

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/jeffrey-epstein-seen-with-young-girls-getting-off-his-plane-in-2018.html]=https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/jeffrey-epstein-seen-with-young-girls-getting-off-his-plane-in-2018.html]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/jeffrey-epstein-seen-with-young-girls-getting-off-his-plane-in-2018.html

There's dozens of more sources too.   And I do admit some of these news outlets are less than stellar in conservative eyes, but I think the evidence is so compelling, and why I was puzzled you made that comment.
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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.


So the eleven year old girls (and possibly boys, too) that Epstein victimized were whores?

Keep it classy.  wink777

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/16/797011139/u-s-virgin-islands-officials-epstein-trafficked-girls-on-private-island-until-20

Prosecutors in the U.S. Virgin Islands have unveiled a new lawsuit against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein alleging that over two decades he ran a conspiracy in which he transported young women and girls to his private Caribbean islands by helicopter and boat and then subjected them to sexual abuse.

Authorities claim Epstein's sexual predation on the hideaway islands occurred as recently as 2018 and involved children as young as 11 years old. The suit alleges the activity was covered up by Epstein's associates through a complex web of corporations.

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IF there are specific reasons for the purpose of withholding Grand Jury information, victim protection, avoiding slandering those who did nothing wrong, then why not cite those reasons for the non disclosure of the evidence rather than come out and say there is no list, nothing to see here, move along?

It isn't that Republicans aren't reasonable people or that they cannot understand there might be reasons for withholding information pending prosecution, and that releasing it would make a fair trial impossible.

But to dangle this carrot in front of the mule that pulled your wagon for so long and then to act as if it doesn't exist is not only an exceedingly poor read of the room, it calls into question credibility on a serious scale. It is relatively rare that the Right cedes rationality to emotion, unlike the Left, but this is perhaps THE universal hot-button issue, that of those who would exploit minors for sexual purposes.

@DCPatriot We have a legal standard called 'age of consent'. There's a reason, simply because we do not consider our offspring mature enough to be fully fledged adults as a rule, before then. While there are a few exceptional youngsters out there capable of making informed and mature decisions, we impose that age limitation across the board.

Were the 15-16-17 year olds willing? Perhaps, but it does not matter, because they were legally not considered capable of giving consent to engage in sexual activities with adults. There are (or so I have been told) girls out there as young as 12 who have 'relations', which is a product of sexualization at an early age and perhaps the amount of estrogenic substances in diets and elsewhere. BUT they are not old enough to consent until they reach an accepted age for adulthood.
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REALLY? If this is as advertised, the azzoles get a pass? Who cares? REALLY?

This is precisely because of allowed abortion. It has so lessened the value of life that we as a nation meet children caught up in a major sex ring with apathy. DAMN. If we will not protect the most innocent among us... Then this union has damned itself to perdition.

So, we're not 100% sure there is a list, right? FBI has confirmed it? I think were there some ground breaking names in there, it would have found it's way out?

TBH, I had to google the question on this list. If they had a list and refused to release it, that is, of course outrageous. But if there truly is no real list, then isn't this just a bunch of wasted energy? Don't you think the list would be out there already?

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So, we're not 100% sure there is a list, right? FBI has confirmed it? I think were there some ground breaking names in there, it would have found it's way out?

TBH, I had to google the question on this list. If they had a list and refused to release it, that is, of course outrageous. But if there truly is no real list, then isn't this just a bunch of wasted energy? Don't you think the list would be out there already?

Even if there is no specific client list compiled by Epstein then we can certainly ask Ghislane Maxwell to compile a list. It is also not unfathomable that the FBI and NSA can parse the signals intelligence to identify the people who traveled to Epstein's mansion in NYC, the island, or the New Mexico estate.

At least for the island in question there is NO WAY the NSA doesn't know who went there.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/jeffrey-epstein-island-cellphone-data-b2520619.html



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Even if there is no specific client list compiled by Epstein then we can certainly ask Ghislane Maxwell to compile a list. It is also not unfathomable that the FBI and NSA can parse the signals intelligence to identify the people who traveled to Epstein's mansion in NYC, the island, or the New Mexico estate.

At least for the island in question there is NO WAY the NSA doesn't know who went there.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/jeffrey-epstein-island-cellphone-data-b2520619.html

Why wouldn't she already have used that to get immunity/plea bargain?

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Why wouldn't she already have used that to get immunity/plea bargain?

Maybe she did and the sentence we know of is in fact a reduced sentence from what she would have received otherwise. It can also be that her silence resulted in a reduced sentence.  :pondering:
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So, we're not 100% sure there is a list, right? FBI has confirmed it? I think were there some ground breaking names in there, it would have found it's way out?

TBH, I had to google the question on this list. If they had a list and refused to release it, that is, of course outrageous. But if there truly is no real list, then isn't this just a bunch of wasted energy? Don't you think the list would be out there already?

New information: Ghislane Maxwell has offered to present Epstein's client list to Congress. So yes, there is a list.

And considering the thousands of hours of film the government claims to possess, any list is very likely rendered moot.

So either it is what they've all been saying it is, or they outright lied. One or the other, and there is no inbetween.

If it is as they have said it is, then there is nothing other than a full press with everything the law can do, with extreme prejudice. This kind of thing cannot... CANNOT... be allowed to stand, I don't give a single shit how famous or powerful the doers.

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New information: Ghislane Maxwell has offered to present Epstein's client list to Congress. So yes, there is a list.

Now THAT is interesting. So let her present the list to somebody in Congress then we'll go from there. If people committed a crime (certainly this magnitude of crime), they should do time, as always.

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New information: Ghislane Maxwell has offered to present Epstein's client list to Congress. So yes, there is a list.

And considering the thousands of hours of film the government claims to possess, any list is very likely rendered moot.

So either it is what they've all been saying it is, or they outright lied. One or the other, and there is no inbetween.

If it is as they have said it is, then there is nothing other than a full press with everything the law can do, with extreme prejudice. This kind of thing cannot... CANNOT... be allowed to stand, I don't give a single shit how famous or powerful the doers.

This is evil.

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IF there are specific reasons for the purpose of withholding Grand Jury information, victim protection, avoiding slandering those who did nothing wrong, then why not cite those reasons for the non disclosure of the evidence rather than come out and say there is no list, nothing to see here, move along?

It isn't that Republicans aren't reasonable people or that they cannot understand there might be reasons for withholding information pending prosecution, and that releasing it would make a fair trial impossible.

But to dangle this carrot in front of the mule that pulled your wagon for so long and then to act as if it doesn't exist is not only an exceedingly poor read of the room, it calls into question credibility on a serious scale. It is relatively rare that the Right cedes rationality to emotion, unlike the Left, but this is perhaps THE universal hot-button issue, that of those who would exploit minors for sexual purposes.

@DCPatriot We have a legal standard called 'age of consent'. There's a reason, simply because we do not consider our offspring mature enough to be fully fledged adults as a rule, before then. While there are a few exceptional youngsters out there capable of making informed and mature decisions, we impose that age limitation across the board.

Were the 15-16-17 year olds willing? Perhaps, but it does not matter, because they were legally not considered capable of giving consent to engage in sexual activities with adults. There are (or so I have been told) girls out there as young as 12 who have 'relations', which is a product of sexualization at an early age and perhaps the amount of estrogenic substances in diets and elsewhere. BUT they are not old enough to consent until they reach an accepted age for adulthood.

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My contention is that there's not a single girl among the thousands of videos who didn't want to be there...living that lifestyle, partying and getting paid for it.

So, spare me the "innocent children" nonsense.

Now... how hard would it be to slip a Quaalude type downer into an unsuspecting guest's drink?

Epstein has paid his penance with his life.  The girls have all moved on to something different.

Yet everybody insists that the men showing up in single videos are all guilty.

Guilty of what?  Stupidity?

Never thought I'd hear a pro-pediphilia comment on here.  :thud:

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Never thought I'd hear a pro-pediphilia comment on here.  :thud:

I take a very strong offense to that, @Weird Tolkienish Figure  After all these years, it's not right!  Shame on you!
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