The Jeffrey Epstein Case Is Far Bigger Than Jeffrey Epstein

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July 11, 2025
The Jeffrey Epstein Case Is Far Bigger Than Jeffrey Epstein
By Vince Coyner

On Tuesday, President Trump took umbrage at a question about the Justice Department’s assertion that there are no Epstein tapes, there is no client list, and there is nothing more to be released. The Twitterverse has been brutal towards AG Pam Bondi, FBI Director Kash Patel, and his #2, Dan Bongino. Many people were saying they felt betrayed, given the fact that, before the election, we were told that the files would be released and the criminals held to account.

The president has a point. There is a lot going on in Washington. There are natural disasters with dozens dead across Texas. There are continuing ICE protests across the country. There are budgets that need to be attended to, as well as rogue judges who need to be corralled, and numerous conflicts outside our borders that need to be midwifed. And all of that besides the basic blocking and tackling of running the government and trying to advance the administration’s rather ambitious agenda. And taking the time to talk about some files from a guy who’s been dead for six years seems like it might distract from all of that.

But, you see, here’s the thing: People want answers that seem logical, that provide rational explanations to obvious questions, that provide proof that the speculation is wrong. This is particularly true when the people now saying there’s nothing there were the very people who promised that answers, transparency, and accountability would be coming when they won. Well, they won, and we’re getting the same obfuscation.

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[Right_in_Virginia]

Let's assume it's true that Epstein was running a blackmail ring using underage girls to lure in rich and powerful men and use pedophilia tapes for blackmail.  Let's also assume the CIA and Mossad were working and protecting this ring for their own purposes.

What do we do about it now?  The last known victim of this atrocity recently killed herself --- 25 years after becoming involved with the Epstein ring, and 25 years ago Epstein's hell had already been active for years.

What are the calls for action trying to accomplish?  Realistically:  No one's going to indict the CIA or Mossad. The ringleader and appointed mastermind of the ring is dead and his right hand is in prison.  So, do you prosecute this one pedophile at a time?  Charges would be over 25 years old.  Evidence has been tampered with by the Obama and Biden administrations. Jurisdiction would be an issue with most acts occurring outside the US, both witnesses and victims would be hostile and uncooperative.

How much time, energy, focus and oxygen do we allow to be sucked out of the work on fixing immigration, the economy, trade, education, wokeism, global unrest and upcoming political races -- in exchange for nothing more than salacious headlines?

[DCPatriot]

Let's assume it's true that Epstein was running a blackmail ring using underage girls to lure in rich and powerful men and use pedophilia tapes for blackmail.  Let's also assume the CIA and Mossad were working and protecting this ring for their own purposes.

What do we do about it now?  The last known victim of this atrocity recently killed herself --- 25 years after becoming involved with the Epstein ring, and 25 years ago Epstein's hell had already been active for years.

What are the calls for action trying to accomplish?  Realistically:  No one's going to indict the CIA or Mossad. The ringleader and appointed mastermind of the ring is dead and his right hand is in prison.  So, do you prosecute this one pedophile at a time?  Charges would be over 25 years old.  Evidence has been tampered with by the Obama and Biden administrations. Jurisdiction would be an issue with most acts occurring outside the US, both witnesses and victims would be hostile and uncooperative.

How much time, energy, focus and oxygen do we allow to be sucked out of the work on fixing immigration, the economy, trade, education, wokeism, global unrest and upcoming political races -- in exchange for nothing more than salacious headlines?

@Right_in_Virginia

Agree 100% 

Let. It. Go.

[Fishrrman]

RinVa asks (in a good post):
"How much time, energy, focus and oxygen do we allow to be sucked out of the work on fixing immigration, the economy, trade, education, wokeism, global unrest and upcoming political races -- in exchange for nothing more than salacious headlines?"

It's nothing more than a Hitchcock-style "MacGuffin", designed to distract us from the real issues and problems at hand.

And it will remain so for evermore...

[berdie]

Let's assume it's true that Epstein was running a blackmail ring using underage girls to lure in rich and powerful men and use pedophilia tapes for blackmail.  Let's also assume the CIA and Mossad were working and protecting this ring for their own purposes.

What do we do about it now?  The last known victim of this atrocity recently killed herself --- 25 years after becoming involved with the Epstein ring, and 25 years ago Epstein's hell had already been active for years.

What are the calls for action trying to accomplish?  Realistically:  No one's going to indict the CIA or Mossad. The ringleader and appointed mastermind of the ring is dead and his right hand is in prison.  So, do you prosecute this one pedophile at a time?  Charges would be over 25 years old.  Evidence has been tampered with by the Obama and Biden administrations. Jurisdiction would be an issue with most acts occurring outside the US, both witnesses and victims would be hostile and uncooperative.

How much time, energy, focus and oxygen do we allow to be sucked out of the work on fixing immigration, the economy, trade, education, wokeism, global unrest and upcoming political races -- in exchange for nothing more than salacious headlines?

I must agree. The only issue I have is the denial of a list. Of course there is. It makes it look like a coverup. Truthfully, a lot of his associates are just that. And not perverts.

[Smokin Joe]

I must agree. The only issue I have is the denial of a list. Of course there is. It makes it look like a coverup. Truthfully, a lot of his associates are just that. And not perverts.

Yep. Trump hitches a ride on Epstein's jet from Florida to NYC.

It's a ride, not a week of illicit debauchery. Just a courtesy between people at that income level.
Flight logs show destinations, not just who is on board.
Sort it.

Then present the relevant and verified data, separated from the noise.

[jafo2010]

There is a lot of criminal activity to unpack here, and unfortunately, it is being swept under the rug by Trump.  Trump is good at doing that for rich friends.  He protected Hillary Clinton when I am certain there was plenty of evidence to convict her for 30,000+ felonies.  Yeah, that's right, each one of those emails that were insignificant and everyone here knows were SECRET , TOP SECRET, or higher, knows that what she did was a felony for each email.  And yet, a big fat nothing from Trump.

So, yes he has to answer for this.  I am tired of Washington violating laws and nothing happens.  Same with Biden.  From my view, the entire Biden family deserves to be dancing at the end of a rope for treason.

These decisions are not going away.  The corrupt media will sink their teeth into this and reveal some of the UGLY TRUTH.  And everyone here knows this whole scenario stinks to the heavens.

Everyone here thinks Trump is Mr. Bold, and yet, he has done nothing to the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, etc, and I say one has to be rather naive to believe one or more of these groups weren't involved in the Butler shooting.  Too many balls dropped.

Cash Patel is worthless.  Hasn't done one thing to impress me so far.  Just the opposite actually.  Same with Pam Bondi, a big fat zero.  No wonder Dan Bongino wants to bailout.  He joined a team of weak nothings, and he can't stand the bullsh*t. 

Yes, Trump is covering up for someone or many people, or the CIA, FBI, and who knows what?  We know Prince Andrew was screwing with young girls courtesy Epstein, that is why Great Britain has buried him out of sight for the last X number of years. 

Corruption abounds, and Trump is a weak pansy.  Just not impressed!!!!!!!!

[Right_in_Virginia]

There is a lot of criminal activity to unpack here, and unfortunately, it is being swept under the rug by Trump.  Trump is good at doing that for rich friends. 

So, yes he has to answer for this. 

@jafo2010   This isn't about Trump.

Consider that the protection is of American and Israeli intelligence assets and at the "request" of the CIA and PM Netanyahu? (It's difficult to believe Americans, including Evangelicals would be pleased with proof that Americans and Israelis coordinated to run a honeypot targeting US politicians and businessmen for tighter control of the power class of the United States with the lure of underaged girls.)

Remember, Epstein was legally protected until the intelligence community -- after more than 25 years --- squeezed out all it could and Epstein became an unnecessary liability:

[Timeline begins in 2005]

2006

July 19 - Grand jury indicts Epstein on a single solicitation of prostitution charge
Prosecutor Lanna Belohlavek presents the case to a grand jury with only one victim testifying. Belohlavek attacks the 14-year-old's credibility with her MySpace pages given to prosecutors by the defense.

The grand jury indicts Epstein on a felony charge of solicitation of prostitution — what a "john" propositioning an adult sex worker might face. The charge doesn't address the 14-year-old's age.

July 23 - Epstein arrested
Epstein spends one night in the Palm Beach County Jail. He is released the next day on $3,000 bond.

2007 - Negotiating the secret deal not to prosecute Epstein

Sept. 24 - "Deal of the century" is signed
Epstein signs what became known as the non-prosecution agreement, called the "deal of the century," with federal and state authorities in exchange for pleading guilty to two felony prostitution-related charges under Krischer. The deal requires Epstein to register as a sex offender. It also protects four named co-conspirators as well as any potential co-conspirators. Then the real negotiation begins among Krischer, federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers. Chief federal prosecutor Villafana stands ready several times to launch a 6- count federal indictment that came from a federal grand jury investigation.

2008 - Epstein pleads guilty, goes to jail

June 30 - Epstein pleads guilty to two felonies
Epstein pleads guilty to the grand jury's charge of solicitation of prostitution and Krischer's charge of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. Instead of potential decades in federal prison, he’s sentenced to 18 months in jail. He would serve 13 months of his sentence in a private wing of the Palm Beach County jail reserved for snitches or others who need protection from other inmates for various reasons, such as having a lot of money.

He would spend mainly nights there, leaving on work release six days a week/12 hours a day. One woman said later that she was flown in to have sex with him at the offices of a foundation he'd formed months before his guilty plea.

2009 - Epstein out of jail.

July 22 - He can travel anywhere if he's back in 24 hours
Epstein is released from jail to spend a year on house arrest but he is allowed to travel frequently — such as to his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands — as long as he's back in 24 hours. His lawyers ask to end house arrest early, a request rejected by Krischer’s successor, Michael McAuliffe. A few potential violations of house arrest are documented in state attorney's files, but no one takes action. A violation could have sent Epstein back to jail.

2019 - New York prosecutors charge Epstein with sex trafficking

July 6 - Epstein arrested in New Jersey
New York prosecutors charge him with sex trafficking, related to incidents in Palm Beach and New York. He's arrested at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, reportedly a hub of his sex trafficking network, after flying in from Paris. In a nationally televised news conference, former U.S. Attorney and Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta blames Krischer for bungling the case. Acosta later resigns.

Aug. 10 - Epstein found dead
The financier is found hanged in a Manhattan jail cell. The medical examiner rules it a suicide.

2020 - It's Ghislaine Maxwell's turn


Muçh more:  https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/08/jeffrey-epstein-case-timeline-why-early-case-failed-in-palm-beach/70351312007/

[MeganC]

Sorry but Trump promised us transparency during the campaign and now it looks like the same old Deep State shit we've always seen. Hamhanded lies, denial of past statements, being told to ignore a serious problem, being told to accept spending and inflation like usual, etc.

All to convince people like me that maybe it's time to ditch the GOP.

[libertybele]

Sorry but Trump promised us transparency during the campaign and now it looks like the same old Deep State shit we've always seen. Hamhanded lies, denial of past statements, being told to ignore a serious problem, being told to accept spending and inflation like usual, etc.

All to convince people like me that maybe it's time to ditch the GOP.

I ditched the GOP long ago.  Yes, Trump did promise transparency and he is the one that stated that he was going to release both the Epstein and Kennedy files.

[Wingnut]

I ditched the GOP long ago.  Yes, Trump did promise transparency and he is the one that stated that he was going to release both the Epstein and Kennedy files.

Your life will go on.  Let it go.

[MeganC]

Your life will go on.  Let it go.

Nope. 

[Smokin Joe]

Nope. 

Enough is enough.
If not now, when?
If not us, who?

I am a mere grain of sand. individually, in the right place, I might ruin the bearing that ruins the engine.
With others, clog a critical filter or pack off a fuel line.

But I am one of many, uncountable millions, that can not only ruin the engine, but bury it and the machine it powered.

and with time erode the fancy paint, and the machine itself to dust.

I am not alone in harboring distrust and enmity toward those who have perverted a perfectly good system of government, and I want to see the Republic restored.

We hired people to drain the Swamp. I am willing to see them perform, but when swamp creatures raise their heads, it's time to remove them from the swamp. That is not a call for violent action, but for using the processes inherent in our Republic to put someone else in the position to achieve what we were promised if those who are there will not.

[Free Vulcan]

I must agree. The only issue I have is the denial of a list. Of course there is. It makes it look like a coverup. Truthfully, a lot of his associates are just that. And not perverts.

That might be the only way to thread the needle.

[jmyrlefuller]

Let's assume it's true that Epstein was running a blackmail ring using underage girls to lure in rich and powerful men and use pedophilia tapes for blackmail.  Let's also assume the CIA and Mossad were working and protecting this ring for their own purposes.

What do we do about it now?  The last known victim of this atrocity recently killed herself --- 25 years after becoming involved with the Epstein ring, and 25 years ago Epstein's hell had already been active for years.

What are the calls for action trying to accomplish?  Realistically:  No one's going to indict the CIA or Mossad. The ringleader and appointed mastermind of the ring is dead and his right hand is in prison.  So, do you prosecute this one pedophile at a time?  Charges would be over 25 years old.  Evidence has been tampered with by the Obama and Biden administrations. Jurisdiction would be an issue with most acts occurring outside the US, both witnesses and victims would be hostile and uncooperative.

How much time, energy, focus and oxygen do we allow to be sucked out of the work on fixing immigration, the economy, trade, education, wokeism, global unrest and upcoming political races -- in exchange for nothing more than salacious headlines?

It's about the swamp. It's about evil in our highest levels of power being rooted out. The very thing the man whose boots you lick campaigned upon. Want to fix education? Get the pedos out of the schools. Want to end wokeism? Get the pedos out of the media, the schools, etc. Half your agenda REQUIRES the fall of the Deep State.

Admit you have been conned, or admit you were part of the con all along.

[jmyrlefuller]

Sorry but Trump promised us transparency during the campaign and now it looks like the same old Deep State shit we've always seen. Hamhanded lies, denial of past statements, being told to ignore a serious problem, being told to accept spending and inflation like usual, etc.

All to convince people like me that maybe it's time to ditch the GOP.

It's almost as if there were those of us who warned everyone about this.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays

If you see the Epstein story as a  crime story, which of course it is, you probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything involved, including innocent people, like a typical court case.

If you see the Epstein story as something bigger, involving more than one nation, you might see it as a Commander in Chief issue, meaning the public is not meant to have the full story, similar to most national defense issues. We elect a president to decide -- in part -- what the public can safely see.

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation?

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open-border hellscape?

If you can't say what you would give up to get the full Epstein disclosure you crave, you're not a serious person.


8:11 AM · Jul 13, 2025

[roamer_1]

It's almost as if there were those of us who warned everyone about this.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Well, it's like this.

You have a 5 gallon pot of soup.

If you add 5 pounds of dog poop, it would be safe to say it is dog poop soup.

If you only add 3 pounds, well, it's still dog poop soup.

If you only add 1 pound, yep, still dog poop soup.

How much dog poop are you willing to have in your soup and not call it dog poop soup?

Half a pound?

A quarter pound?

An ounce?

a thimblefull?

For some of us, it doesn't matter, because no matter how little is in there, we're not having soup.

America deserves better.

[libertybele]

It's almost as if there were those of us who warned everyone about this.

The fall of America. Many have been warning us about that for awhile. Many of us knew that she's been falling.  With Trump we had a chance to hold on to our Republic. With Harris there was no chance. 

What happens from here?  I don't know.  Will this lack of transparency obliterate any chance of the GOP keeping the majority in both Houses?

[roamer_1]

The fall of America. Many have been warning us about that for awhile. Many of us knew that she's been falling.  With Trump we had a chance to hold on to our Republic. With Harris there was no chance. 

What happens from here?  I don't know.  Will this lack of transparency obliterate any chance of the GOP keeping the majority in both Houses?

No. The chance left when DeSantis left the field. Any other option was always going to be 'big government'.

What to do? Elect conservatives. And ONLY Conservatives.

[240B]

We voted for Trump, this is trust.
We supported Trump, this is investment.
In the military, a sergeant would be put 'in charge'.
Did not know him. Did not think he knew what he was doing.
But, none of that matters. He was the sergeant, and we did what he said.

Trump and his officers are doing this for a reason. A reason none of us know about.
I trust Trump. I trust his officers in a military sense. They are doing what they are doing for a reason.
As a military person, I have to have trust on this. Whatever is behind this, it must be something HUGE.
It is something we do not want to know ... above my pay-grade. I know enough to know when to leave it alone.

[libertybele]

No. The chance left when DeSantis left the field. Any other option was always going to be 'big government'.

What to do? Elect conservatives. And ONLY Conservatives.

Yes, I have always agreed with that and again, the problem is that there aren't enough conservatives that make it onto the ballot.  Perhaps I should clarify that by saying that there aren't enough conservatives that win. 

[libertybele]

We voted for Trump, this is trust.
We supported Trump, this is investment.
In the military, a sergeant would be put 'in charge'.
Did not know him. Did not think he knew what he was doing.
But, none of that matters. He was the sergeant, and we did what he said.

Trump and his officers are doing this for a reason. A reason none of us know about.
I trust Trump. I trust his officers in a military sense. They are doing what they are doing for a reason.
As a military person, I have to have trust on this. Whatever is behind this, it must be something HUGE.
It is something we do not want to know ... above my pay-grade. I know enough to know when to leave it alone.

A perspective that I truly need to think about.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, it's like this.

You have a 5 gallon pot of soup. [...]

Clearly, you're a funny guy @Smokin Joe

But, if you're going to respond to Scott Adams, how about you answer his essential questions:

* Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation?
* Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open-border hellscape?

[Smokin Joe]

Clearly, you're a funny guy @Smokin Joe

But, if you're going to respond to Scott Adams, how about you answer his essential questions:

* Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation?
* Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open-border hellscape?

Question 1. Yes.

Question 2: Unlikely. I would wager the vast majority of those domestic offenders are Democrat, just by the company they keep and the 'causes' they champion.

[roamer_1]

I trust Trump.

There's your problem right there. Never trust ANY of em, for ANY reason.

[roamer_1]

Yes, I have always agreed with that and again, the problem is that there aren't enough conservatives that make it onto the ballot.  Perhaps I should clarify that by saying that there aren't enough conservatives that win.

If you build it, they will come.  All y'all are too short sighted. It's a long game. Stop looking at every four years and start playing for twenty... Or forty.

[roamer_1]

Question 1. Yes.

Question 2: Unlikely. I would wager the vast majority of those domestic offenders are Democrat, just by the company they keep and the 'causes' they champion.

I am always for full disclosure with a very narrow cut-out for times of war. Otherwise, the alternative is a buried secret and a bastard of low standard left in direct access to levers of power.

OUR pedophile is better than theirs? I think not. Let the chips fall where they may, on either side of the aisle.

[cato potatoe]

Who in MAGA world thought it wise to put Donald on television and tell him to scold us for talking about Jeffrey Epstein?    No political advisor could possibly be that stupid.  This coverup is coming directly from the top, and his reasons for doing so are absolutely terrible, no matter what they are. 

[roamer_1]

The best disinfectant is always sunlight. So open ever drape and blind and let the sun shine in. Watch the cockroaches skitter away.

[corbe]

    I don't believe Trump is on 'The List'.  Epstein always knew he was small potatoes with a proclivity for young mature European Models.   

    I believe he is protecting someone on that list, his friend Bill Clinton.  This is exactly why dems are so quiet now.

[MeganC]

    I don't believe Trump is on 'The List'.  Epstein always knew he was small potatoes with a proclivity for young mature European Models.   

    I believe he is protecting someone on that list, his friend Bill Clinton.  This is exactly why dems are so quiet now.

I believe it is one or more current heads of state involved here.

King Charles, Macron, etc. come to mind.

The details of what was going on or what would be very destabilizing to these different governments.

We are starting to find out that it was not just sixteen to seventeen year old girls involved. It was girls as young as ten and maybe even younger.

Myself I am still haunted by the nickname for Epstein's New Mexico estate: The Babymaking Ranch.

They made babies there. Children were born there who had no paper record of their existence.

These children, babies and infants, were exploited for sex and maybe for research too.

If the truth of horrific acts got out with names connected to them , entire governments could fall. Myself , I think that would be a good thing.

[roamer_1]

I believe it is one or more current heads of state involved here.

King Charles, Macron, etc. come to mind.

The details of what was going on or what would be very destabilizing to these different governments.

We are starting to find out that it was not just sixteen to seventeen year old girls involved. It was girls as young as ten and maybe even younger.

Myself I am still haunted by the nickname for Epstein's New Mexico estate: The Babymaking Ranch.

They made babies there. Children were born there who had no paper record of their existence.

These children, babies and infants, were exploited for sex and maybe for research too.

If the truth of horrific acts got out with names connected to them , entire governments could fall. Myself , I think that would be a good thing.

Sacrifice. That's what you need children without a record for.

[cato potatoe]

I don't believe Trump is on 'The List'.  Epstein always knew he was small potatoes with a proclivity for young mature European Models.

He’s acting as though he is on the list, or something personally embarrassing is in there.  He buried his tax returns for years, falsely claiming he could not release them due to an audit, and that he paid millions in taxes.  When congress released them, we learned he paid little or no income tax for many years. 

[Smokin Joe]

Sacrifice. That's what you need children without a record for.

Why rent homemade 'pizza', when there was so much crossing the border?
Frazzledrip and all that.